Please provide your source for this authoritative claim on what "service is king" must mean for everyone. Or are you just claiming your definition is everyone else's.
I won't speak for CDL but suspect he, and others here, agree with my views here. We have multiple filters we use in choosing who we will see. That doesn't mean that one is relaxed or subordinate to another as you seem to base your decisions on.
Visited with one of my regular this week and talked about all the current competition in the LA area (not OC). She said LA hobbyists are so picky that there has to be large selection of Kgirls to choose. I do consider myself picky. My criteria are (1) must be around the LA area for at least a year and I can check by looking at the number of reviews; (2) must be able to communicate in English. I would ask the booker or check the reviews for communication skills.
So are we picky? What do you look for in selecting any Kgirl?
I'd imagine level of pickiness is largely derived from the following:
1) other choices around you, hence opportunity cost
2) previous/past experiences
I'd imagine for #1 LA has some of the most choice in the country, and as far as kgirls go, the largest. The traffic kinda erases some of that but nonetheless...
So compared to, say, NoVa, the kgirl connoisseurs are probably more picky in LA.
Now, judging purely by comparison between bay area and LA TER scores of same girls, I'd say you're less picky than us. LA mongers give same girls much higher look scores for higher prices. It's a bit strange considering it's much more of a sausagefest here in the bay, and LA has much hotter girls in general; still, if we are to dismiss any theories that people in LA inflate grades, then I must say bay mongers are way more picky.
No fatties, no uglies. I used to have an age limit as well, but as some of favorite Kgirls get older, my age limit has become more fluid. Lol My preference in body type used to run to spinners, but after having seen dozens of taller girls, taller and slender has become my preferred look, but that won't stop me from seeing a girl who is a LITTLE thicker, because for me, service is king, and if I hear of a girl who has outstanding service, but can't lay off the ice cream or bon bons, I would still see her.
So true...I do also consider the quality of service but if this kgirl just around for a week then I will pass. I know...its my lost.
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ad's say something like "short visit", but if she was recommended to me (by a fellow monger), but not my preferred body type, I will still see her, but only once. Generally, I don't like to see new girls who will not be around long enough to repeat with if we connect well.
My criteria is similar in some respects. Different in others.
I have a strong preference for slim girls. What I call willowy slim being the ideal. And, yes, that she be at least reasonably pretty with a great smile when she’s feeling it.
I also have a strong preference for a specific attitude and energy level. I deliberately seek out girls with a bit of a fiery temper. These will tend to be girls that some guys love and others actively dislike. The energy level I look for is the kind of girl who can go pretty much non-stop for two hours with passion and a genuine enjoyment of sex. Or do an absolutely amazing job of convincing her partner that she loves sex.
And I have a requirement that the girl be open to taking a magnum. They don’t have to be magnum “friendly”. One of my favorite girls for a few years told me she absolutely could not take what I had. I’ll spare you the details. But about 20 minutes later she was taking me all the way in and shouting “I just took you!” while she came for the second time.
After that, everything else is just gravy. The service queen is very nice. But I’ve found that the best service tends to accompany a great attitude. When I get a girl with a great attitude and make sure she’s feeling safe, respected and taken care of I also find she delivers great service. Seriously great service that sometimes even surprises her. Though she might not always, or even commonly, do quite the same for others. Because the reality is that every girl holds back a bit depending on how comfortable she is. Even the service queens.
But, I’ve had my best experiences, without exception, with strong willed women who have a bit of a temper. When you release that inner wildcat is when I think things get really fun.
The trick is to find girls who have that inner wildcat just waiting to be released.
I’m not sure that there is a region that tends to have more of my type of girl than others. But I’m completely willing to continue the investigation.
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what rocket says all the time? Sounds like you’re coming over to his POV.
I can't believe that with your extensive DB of CDL posts you didn't stumble across at least 10 where he advocates seeing the -- my words here -- MILFs as they will be more experienced and provide much better service than the young 20 year olds. Think he typically was saying late 30s and early 40s were a sweet spot for his preferences. All that has been said many times before rocket ever showed up here.
How about stopping with the fake news and silly personal attacks via misleading spin.
Ditto!
I wouldn't consider BP's comment to be antagonistic, much less "fake news" (disgusting) or "spin" as I, and I'm sure others, were also under the impression that BDP prioritized looks over service among MILFs.
a post from 2016 RESPONDING to BP where I said this very thing during an age thread? He knows better because he has been in on a lot of the prior discussions on this board. He also knows he can suck in the newbie low information guys like you. Jensen has been here a long, long time, so he knows the real story. Name ONE other monger here besides you, who were sucked in by the BP fake claim, that thinks I have ever prioritized looks over service? You like to say you are "sure" of something when all you do is speculate. BP cannot do this without suckers, so let him know how many of you there are here so he will be encouraged to keep making things up. How SURE are you now? If you say "gullible" really slow, it sounds like Oranges. Lol
No, I would not. Why would I be interested in a post from 6 years ago? It seems like you're unaware of this due to your age, but not everyone can dedicate their retirement years to archiving posts on here. You speak of certainty, and yet your conviction when spouting bullshit stems from your "experiences" rather than anything based in fact.
to a post where I said this, which was way before Rocket showed up. There's another one in 2016 I could link that was in response to a post of yours. The point is that my position has not changed. I have posted this on several boards. I have always valued service over appearance . . . . up to a point, of course. There is always a line in the sand for me for fat or ugly, but these are often fluid concepts when talking to other Kgirl mongers. I have seen girls that I considered fat, but the guys who recommended them did not consider them fat. But in these cases, I never repeat no matter how good the service was.
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Just wanted to say you have bragged before about not fucking fat girls, not mentioning anything about their service. And I think when I posted my "limits" in pounds you ridiculed me for it. So clearly, when it comes to a fat girl who is excellent service, you will choose the looks over service in that case, no?
I think your definition of what is good service may be different from my definition of service,which is heavily skill-based. If a girl does not know how to suck dick properly she can't get the highest service grade from me,ever.
of what fat is. Here's a link to your definition of fat . . . .
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/i-guess-23452?frmSearch=1#23452
You say150 pounds and 5-2 to 5-4 is ideal. Beyond that, she's fat. Whereas, if a girl is 5-2 to 5-4, and weighs 150 pounds, it doesn't matter if she gives the best service on earth, I wouldn't see her even if my best friend recommended her. For a girl 5-4, I might consider her fat at 120, but I have friends that might not at that weight. That's where the fluidity in definitions comes in and the point I was making. At 150, everyone I know, except you, of course, would consider her fat and they would not bother recommending her to me. I wouldn't even have to make a decision whether to see a girl at 150, or not. It's an AUTOMATIC pass for me, unless she was 6-4. Ideally, a girl 5-2 to 5-4 will look best at 100-115, IMO. If I'm getting correct intel, there are many cases where I don't even have to choose whether looks matter or not, because she's fat enough to take herself out of contention.
I never said 150 pounds is ideal. Wow. Look at the post in the link yourself. I said my upper limit on weight is 150. And I said the height of 5'2-5'4 is ideal for me. Two separate sentences. I never said 150 is ideal. I weigh 185 myself.
If you won't even consider girls no matter the service only due to their weight, how exactly can you make a claim of "service is king" with a straight face? Lol. Do you know what service is king means? It means you put service above anything else! An automatic pass because of weight does not mean service is king. Lol.
You said 150 pounds is the "limit" for you, and 5-2 to 5-4 is Ideal. You are still willing to see a girl who is 150 pounds and 5-4, so how does that change anything else I said. I'm not willing to see a girl who is 150 pounds unless she is over six feet tall.
You need to discard your binary thinking. Having a weight limit and having "service is king" are NOT mutually exclusive. If they were, then I could ask you if you would see a girl who is 300 pounds but has the best service you could ask for, and you would have to say yes, which means you don't really have a 150 pound weight limit. You got trapped on your own point on this one. It makes you sound completely clueless, and it's all because you can only think in either/or scenarios. That's why you get so much shit here. Life cannot be distilled down to just two choices on everything. Hopefully, this is a teaching moment for me and a learning moment for you.
If it's the best service I could ask for, of course I'd see the 300 pound girl. We'd have to forego cowgirl and other positions that can crush me, but I'd like to experience best service in the world. Because to me,
service is truly king.
I said ideally, the girl is under 150 regardless of height. Ideally, she also 5'2-5'4 as it's my preferred height. But if there's a girl with services of prime Mika Tan, Sasha Grey, and Annette Schwartz combined and she's well over those preferred ranges... Of course I want the service. I'd easily take a 175 pound girl who fucks like a champ and dts like her life depended on it over a dead fish girl who is smack in the middle of my range and who is good looking.
Now you are saying if you see a 175 pound girl, its only because the other choice is a "dead fish girl." Do you really think those are the only two choices you would have on that occasion? Now you're veering off into the ridiculous. It just sounds like you will keep moving the goalposts by changing the qualifications to try to make the point you haven't been able to make yet. Nobody here is buying it, and you are just making yourself look bad without much help from me. I'm just handing you the rope.
You admit you would see a 300 pound girl if the service was the best. That pretty much tells me all I need to know about your standards. Even though I value service over looks, you and I have absolutely nothing in common when it comes to women and sex.
He’s an idiot. Why keep debating someone who has no ethics or integrity and keeps making it up as he goes? CDL, you’re better than this.
I think the difference is that he is always thinking about what gives him the most attention and the feeling of having the power to make others react. Everything else he does is subordinate and even subservient to that imperative. And will always be that way until he gets the help he needs far more than the narcissistic fix he gets from his weak attempts to manipulate threads on a monger board.
There’s no need to even read his current posts to know any of this. He has been rehashing the same arguments with most of the same terminology over and over ever since he showed up here.
If he actually sees any kgirls in real life, unless they are very new (since he’s interested primarily in script/service queens, he’ll almost never see a new girl), he’s seeing a girl that can recognize a narcissist very quickly. And adapt her script to fit.
Somehow he completely ignores the fact that more than a few of us find girls that meet our looks and attitude preferences and then, if there are skills gaps, we teach the girl the necessary skills.
But that requires a little game and patience along with respect for the girls that his narcissism makes almost impossible.
I will say it again. Narcissism is treatable. Nobody has to live with it if they don’t want to. And that tells us a great deal about just how much we can trust anything from that guy.
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I hope you understand you're insulting service queens by calling them "script queens" because most of the service queens I've seen are open to any script. I personally don't like any scripts.
Also, sorry, but we are paying for this hobby. I am in the hobby because I want instant gratification sex. I understand for older folks there are less alternatives, but if I wanted to teach a girl something, she should be paying me. My time ain't free. As is, if we have to teach girl skills, what's the point? I'm seeing pros for a reason.
And no, my post was not narcissistic. I found it ironic cdl claims service is king, yet makes fun of people who really do live the "service is king" mantra and will willingly choose a bbw if she has spectacular service. As I understood it, his "service is king" only applies within rigid boundaries of looks, and to the age of kgirls (ie, older vs younger). Although I think he and others were making fun of mongers who fucked much older women too. Gilf women.
Um, I never said we have anything in common. Yes, I will see a 300 pound girl with amazing service because for me, service is truly uber alles. I answered your question. I never moved any goalposts.
That doesn't mean I wont rate her body ver low; it simply means that to me service is truly king SO I can live with a bad looks/obese body as long as service is spectacular.
You trying to shame me with implying my standards are bad because I choose service over looks any time, is rather indicative of you unable to grasp my definition of service being king. Pity.
our respective definitions of good service. I consider that good service is when the GFE is convincing and good, so this includes her skills AND her social game, because creating the GFE is part of the service, not looks. You have made it clear on numerous occasions that the best service for you are girls who "can take a pounding." That doesn't require any social skills at all, only the ability to tolerate a session with you. That would explain why an obese woman is someone that you could even consider if her service is good. I bet the sound of your flesh slapping together would be a real turn-on for you, because it would validate you are really pounding her well. Such a stud!!! But yes, if you would pay for sex from a 300-pound woman, your standards are very low indeed, but that also means you would fuck her for free if she let you pound her, right? There are a lot of lonely fatties out there that you wouldn't have to pay. Once they get to know you, they might even develop a crush.
To the rest of you . . . . Beware Kgirl recommendations from Rocket. Lol
CDL, fwiw (not much, I know) this reply to the self avowed voice for all monger newbies is spot on!
-- Modified on 2/7/2022 2:54:46 PM
I'm starting to get a life size picture of the Felcher Boy. Mid 30s, Asian, JuCo drop out, probably 5'7", lots of hair product and fake gold chains, narcissist, unemployed/unemployable, drives around in a 4 cylinder Acura with the loud muffler, and complains about KGirls because either (1) he's banned from agencies, or (2) his parents won't give him money for a date. Oh, and every time the grown ups catch him bs'ing or lying he proclaims his integrity and tries to lie or bs his way out of being caught. What a guy.
Look at this guy with personal atks and talking sht about me. When all I've said is that it's ironic cdl makes fun of people who prefer service over looks, while himself proclaiming service is king - one would think he'd be sympathetic to other people who prefer service over looks... and prefer it all the way. But nah. He instead calls a subset of women "pigs" and "subspecies" and ridicules people for liking service over looks.
Anyway.
You are remarkably wrong on all counts besides me being in my mid 30s - something that I actually mentioned myself.
You are simply not good at this information gathering thing. Not your forte, Mr DC. Should stick to law.
I'm white, have a graduate degree, don't wear hair product, haven't worn any 2chainz since high school, and I don't drive an Acura (just a bad stere0type about Asians) , 6'0, not banned from any agencies that I know of, and make good money even by Bay Area standards.
I could say what picture I have of you, but unlike you I actually am diligent in getting my info... so that would be a completely unfair contest.
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I hate to be the one to tell you, but the fact that you graduated high school doesn't mean you have a graduate degree.
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Explain for us, what's with all the code words? sh@dy, priv@cy, sh@me, r0b, r0bjob, del_ete, hara$s, cr_me, ri$k, emerg_ency, and many more. Must be a kids thing?
Sure thing, I can explain those words. You know how sometimes you got posts go into moderation and you need to wait for them to show up, often half a day? Well, many of those words are stop words that make the post go into moderation automatically. Once I get message "approved shortly", I go and change the post to have these words changed and 90% of the time the post becomes active immediately upon changing.
Well, I don't like waiting for my posts to show up.
You don't believe me? Try typing bunch of those words as is, ie "cr!me" with i instead of exclamation mark. Most likely your post will go into moderation. Most of those words you typed are definitely on the list. Then go ahead and change the post to use the words I used.
TL;DR : it is a technique to bypass automated moderation
get the post moderated. I am writing this at 1:19 am. Moderation is random on TER unless all your posts are moderated.
Nope, it's not random.
I've had many,many instances where after changing some of the words, the post is magically approved seconds after it was sent to moderation queue..
Shit and fuck are fine. Hara$$, sh@me, cr!me are some of the ones that usually get blocked for me.
when I edit a post on the K-girl board, it gets posted immediately. On all other TER boards, edited posts almost always go into moderation. I think it's because TER really likes me to keep this board fair and balanced!!
have a sense of humor after all. Kudos. Lol
Put it in body, not subject. It also would help to have some semblance of sentences and structure.
Trust me, I tested it out first-hand so many times.
I think it's a damn shame that some hobbyists harass providers for whatever reason. It should be a crime...it could be called "stalking."
Ya think? Really? Of course it’s him! And this thread confirms useyrhead’s theory that Felcher Boy is a narcissist of the highest order. He thinks that he’s so important that he tries to gimmick the system to get his posts live faster than they should be. Admin, are you watching this? Help please.
There may well be some random moderation but if you put the words, correctly spelled, in a post it will go to moderation. I did not then try editing and posting again to see if rocket's statement was true but don't see a good reason to think he's just making shit up.
I suspect that some pattern of words are triggering a flag in scanning routine that is suppose to keep some discussion topics TER does not want occurring. Those then go into moderation and probably look like random events without some deeper analysis.
Interesting find IMO.
Thanks Jensen.
Yeah, there are definitely many words like that. "Delte" with e in it is such a word, interestingly enough.
More recently, d0nkey is also a flagged word.... my guess is it's to prevent referring to other site
There are also topic-wide flags I think, usually some topics where we have "death matches" or topics where some posts have been asked to be removed. Those can't be overridden by changing words. But most of the time changing the flagged word removes it from moderation queue and posts it.
I'll even say more - posts in moderation queue can also be viewed. Same as posts that were requested to be removed. They are simply hidden from public view, but they can be viewed if you know what you are doing.
Rocket singing about his ATF. Turn on your sound and listen to the lyrics. It's Rocket all right!!! Lol
I'm glad you see the disconnect.
But please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I already stated what I like from service point of view. Energetic fucking back, good FS skills and endurance (of course fat girls don't have much endurance which is a pity), dt when her nose touches my pubes. Enthusiastic and deep rimming. I like ymmv anal being available too. Love swallowers and gals who can take real throatpies.
I already explained what takes a good pounding means. If you know what old PSE stood for. In porn star world, you rarely see porn stars unable to fit an average size cock. And they actively fuck you back.
Why should people beware of my recs? Unlike you or many others, I won't beat around the bush and will call a girl fat, granny, or subpar face without mincing words or giving a damn about her business. I will state it openly because I know most mongers do care about looks and the fist thing they wanna know if pics real, how is her body face and overall age.
Besides, I believe you claimed that there are very few kgirls that are butterface, gilf, or whale.
that's your stock in trade. You have at least 10 prior posts on this board where you either complain about girls who "can't take a pounding" or praise girls who can. You even admitted, "I won't lie, I love girls who can take a pounding." Apparently, it doesn't matter if they are a pig, hippo or rhino, as long as they can take a pounding.
Let me rephase it. If you are thinking about asking Rocket for a rec on one of his service queens, do it by PM so you don't embarrass yourself by inquiring about a subspecies to have sex with. Lol
I've never said that "best service for me are girls who "can take a pounding". I mentioned what I like multiple times. You choose to ignore it.
I see that you think of fat women as "subspеcies" How nice of you. And totally not objctifying lol. Of course.
No one has to ask me via pm. I can tell anyone pretty much anything about any provider I've seen publicly. And I'll let them know of their body and face at the very beginning of the convo. And I wont care what the provider thinks of it.
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-- Modified on 2/8/2022 3:29:07 AM
"I never said, . . .", you should read your own posts on the subject. When you start off with bullshit, nobody will read whatever else you have to say.
I never said that best service for me is girls who could take a pounding. Do I like girls who can take a pounding - yes. But that doesn't constitute the entirety or even the most important part.
I'm an old PSE lover and hence I enjoy vigorous fucking balls deep with the girl actively fucking me back.
You are now trying to spin this back at me somehow when I merely pointed out the irony in you saying service is king and then making fun of fat women and mongers who see them because of service.
Please provide your source for this authoritative claim on what "service is king" must mean for everyone. Or are you just claiming your definition is everyone else's.
I won't speak for CDL but suspect he, and others here, agree with my views here. We have multiple filters we use in choosing who we will see. That doesn't mean that one is relaxed or subordinate to another as you seem to base your decisions on.
I already said that my definition seems to be different from his definition. I never said my definition is authoritative.
"I think your definition of what is good service may be different from my definition of service,which is heavily skill-based"
And that's me quoting myself!
So I'll then call it "service is king iff the looks are filtered first". It would be more procedurally accurate from my pov.
I also find it ironic that cdl both claims service is king and yet makes fun of others who do choose service over looks past his own threshold.
As far as you not trying to speak for cdl, that is indeed a great first step on the road to not speaking for others. Congratulations on embarking on this journey. I mean it. Speaking for yourself only is paramount to an honest conversation without appeal to majority fallacy.
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"If you won't even consider girls no matter the service only due to their weight, how exactly can you make a claim of "service is king" with a straight face? Lol. Do you know what service is king means? It means you put service above anything else! An automatic pass because of weight does not mean service is king. Lol. "
In other words you get to define what "service is king" means for everyone not just that for YOU it means what you say. I did ask you to defend that claim by posting your source for that definition. You seem to want to deflect and shift the focus.
Well, I thought it was ironic that someone who claims service is king, makes fun of people who pay money to have sex with fat girls or grannies provided service is king...it's like service is king, but with a corollary or a small font text.
You are right that I don't get to make a definition for everyone, and the definition doesn't seem to be rigid enough. There is no defined "service is king" definition that I know of that everyone universally agrees on. I dont have such source.
So I'll own it here, my bad and I apologize.
I don't get to make the definition, but so by same logic nobody else does either. I think that's fair.
I’d like to expand this discussion just a little bit.
Whenever these discussions come up we find that some people get far too obsessed about the numbers and “skills” lists.
The result of this emphasis means that people think all of things in a review are hard coded into every monger’s experience with a particular girl. One way this shows up is the emphasis on “service queens”. People think that if they see a service queen they are more likely to get the same level of skill and experience, or close to it, as every other monger.
But, in my experience, this is simply not the case. What people call a service queen tends to actually be a script queen. She has a script or two (or more even) that she has practiced a lot. And she does a very good job of matching the script to her perception of the monger she is seeing.
Sure, subtract out the natural variability in service that changes with package size. Even though this can make quite a difference.
For example, let’s look at DT. Some girls are known for it. Others are not. But those who are not known for it might also be good at it. If they feel like it. Or feel safe doing it with a particular monger.
One of the very best girls at DT I’ve known was not known for it at all. She just reserved it for mongers she felt like doing it with. So, she had a group of regulars who just adored her. But per her request, none of them reviewed her DT skill.
This happens far more often than, with DT and other “skills”, than is usually acknowledged.
For the many for whom this is true, this means they are missing out on a significant number of great experiences because they become so obsessed with published reviews and, frequently, the number ratings.
My recommendation is to look at reviews more as indications of trend and potential. And walk into each session more like Badger describes. With an open mind and a willingness and ability to let the girl show you who she is.
I’ve found this is what leads to having the most good to great experiences.
But, as always, everyone should do what they’re most comfortable with as long as it is safe and consensual for all involved.
about menu expansion. Many Kgirls who are new will have more limitations on their menu. Things like DT, FIV, Rimming, Shower BBBJ, and CIM may not be initially offered when the girl first starts, but she adds them down the road to be more competitive with the other girls who offer them, and this is why RECENT reviews are important to read because they may have added more things to their menu since the profile was created when they first started. You call it "trending" and "potential", and I think that's a good way to look at it. If the list of things they DON'T do is as long as the things they do, most will make some adjustments in their menu, and the place to look for indications of that is in the more recent reviews.
Absolutely true.
Also, if you are looking for it, reviews and review trends can tell you (though it frequently requires more than a bit of inference or reading between the lines) if a girl is a script queen. I admit script queens can be fun until you either get her to go off script or you get bored with the script(s) she has.
You’ve probably already guessed that I’m not a big fan of script queens or the typical service queens. That stuff gets old fast.
I’m typically looking for girls who are willing to relax and go off script. And, no, I don’t mean I’m looking for extra services. Thought that can be fun, too. Primarily, though, I’m looking for girls who are up to throwing out the routine and just going with the flow. For me, that’s when the fun begins.
No one in this topic but me actually mentioned skills. But you claim you don't read my posts. Interesting.
Either way, for me I don't care that much if I don't find the service queen who is "hidden". The reason I indulge in this hobby is because I want to skip the work and games and get to the point of what I like - my dick feeling good. If a girls DT is reserved for her liked clients, then what is the probability me or any other monger is a part of that subset? And what is the probability of all her liked clients keeping her mouth shut? Probably slim.
One thing about service queens is that most of them actually don't have a script. They are energetic, have a great skillset with damn near everyone (emphasis on EVERYONE) and not just with whom they like, go off script readily and often offer menu items that we don't talk about in the open (but ppl still gossip about).
Service queens are the hardest thing to mess up on when reading reviews. Most of the service queens deliver exactly the promised skills. And a service guy myself, the last thing I want is to go to a girl who "might" be a service queen but you have to make her like you for her to deliver the goods. And then turns out she doesn't like me. Well, I or another monger don't really care that she's DTing Mr useyrhead. We are happy for him, of course but wed like to go for the sure thing. Part of the reason I go multiple girls on a day/night is hedge myself with a known service queen. So that if I get a mediocre or underwhelming session, I can then go to a well known commodity who will fuck my brains out like a good girl.
If she's available for the time I request!