Okay, this might seem like a dumb question for people on this board that apparently see a ton of Kgirls but do you guys have any tips for an experienced hobbyist who's seeing one for the first time?

If you really want to give a kgirl a good gift, leave a nice tip.  You are certainly free to bring them chocolates and the kgirl will thank you for the thoughtful gesture.  However, chances are that the chocolate will later be consumed by someone other than the kgirl recipient.  It may even be another client that ends up taking home your big box of sees.  I have gotten free chocolate around certain holidays and I am sure many others here have also.

kgirls follow a hard script but if you feel you want to try something like give presents etc and as long your respectful to the girl it will be ok.  these girls are pro hookers and not some dumb retards so can go with the flow and deviate from the script if your respectful.  even if you don't speak korean just using grunts and hand motions like tarzan and jane will work.

There is an SOP shared by many K-Girls. E.g., arrive at location, do not do things to draw attention to yourself, get buzzed in, do not knock on apt door (it opens magically!), shoes off (Asian custom), get ready for shower, shower, "blue toast", etc.. Don't worry about the few minutes it takes to shower or think you are being hustled into "losing" 5 minutes of time in the room. It all works out for the best.  
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There may be minor variations (do knock, don't knock; ring the bell, do not ring the bell) - follow their instructions. If you're familiar with the basics, you'll be comfortable and not surprised by anything.

Just follow their lead. Most K girls have a routine, and they're most comfortable if you just let them do their thing. At least that's what I do on the first visit. Some girls are more flexible than others, you just have to read the room.

Appreciate the responses guys. I'll keep the info in mind when the time comes.

is excellent advise for a newbie to Kgirls. It gives you an idea of what is on the menu of most Kgirls and how the hour will seamlessly move from activity to activity if you let her drive.  However, once you've seen about 10 Kgirls and know your way around the routine, its certainly okay to take her out of her routine and set the pace yourself.  Just be confident and show them you're an experienced lover.  They will gladly follow. Sticking with the routine too long will make you feel like you're getting assembly-lline sex.  

Don't overthink it.  

Unless they're following Deming's principles for quality management.

Let's be honest - it's kind of what it is. Girls who serve  5-12 customers a day is an assembly line/conveyor belt type sex. This is why girls who genuinely have fun or can feign this fun fucking are sought after. And yes, going off script is vital, otherwise you will feel like all sessions blur together.  

this was perhaps one of the most intelligent and insightful questions posed on the board here. Shows a nice cultural awareness. Lacking that insight I suspect more than a few guys here have screwed themselves over a bit by insulting the girl, the booker or both without even realizing it.

The bookers and girls know when the guy is new to the scene.  

Yeah,I know they’re sex workers, but if your mannerisms or attitude gives them the feeling that you just consider them a slab of meat, you’ll most likely get very perfunctory service. Compliments go a long way. This of course applies to all these gals, not just the K-gals. From your self description, I don‘t think you’ll have any problems.

The op said, "I've had plenty of experience with Western and SE Asian ladies".

If a provider was adhering to Deming's principles, would she then be considered a follower of SEX Sigma lol?

I always try to treat every provider with respect. I know ultimately it's a job for them and the money is the endpoint but they're still people and I don't know what circumstances they're in or why they're in this line of business so there's no need to be a dick unless she's acting badly herself. I think I've been lucky to have run into only one or two genuinely mediocre providers and on the whole I've found being a normal, nice guy without being an obvious suck-up, doormat, or wannabe white knight goes a long way towards a great session

It CAN be a conveyor belt, one-size-fits-all, IF YOU LET IT, but once you know what you like, you should take them out of the routine.  For instance, I don't EVER start face-down for a massage,  and I don't ever allow rimming (except for the rimming-Queen, Heri, who I see once a year for my annual deep-colon-cleaning - lol), so I would rather spend that time doing things I prefer.   Consequently,  I have never had a girl that I couldn't "take off" her intended routine.  If you are confident, engaging, humorous and have some skills of your own, they are more than willing to let you drive.   They WILL budge if you give them a little push-back in a friendly way.  Sometimes, with the hard cases, I will  just jokingly say with a big smile, "If YOU want to pay ME, then you get to decide what we do next, fair enough?  Otherwise, . . . . . "     They always get the message and invariably have just as much fun as I do.  They get bored with the routine, too, but if the customer seemed insecure or unsure of himself, they instinctively take over to get him through the session.  

I've definitely had sessions where the girl would be unwilling to veer off the routine. I'm talking any action would be met with asking what exactly I want to do, and because usually kgirls can't speak English, it's a pantomime that gets old or it becomes a phone translator app session instead of spontaneous sex session. I don't really like scripts, but if a girl rebukes me in trying to stay off script, I'm not going to force her. I will go through and she will get a corresponding review. Some girls have killer scripts and this isn't a big issue. Most will go off scripts once they know you better, but most customers who dislike scripts also won't go beyond two sessions if a girl doesn't go off script by the end of the second at the very latest, IMO. Most such customers will just go to see someone else after the first scripted session. And I can't say I blame em too much.

Yes but what you describe only gets you the script and "I don't speak English well" to cover the more subtle gaffs westerners cause with ignorance.  

I already get enough white guys telling me how not to be a racist on P&R, I certainly don't want any white guys telling me how not to offend a K-girl here too.

White savior syndrome -- almost exclusively occurring in liberals, both male and female or other pronoun challenged.
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To be fair to we whites, liberalism exists in all other races, probably even more so in most cases.

Are there any non-Western cultural norms that could be violated during a visit? The only things I can think of would be during a conversation like talking about age or money and those are covered under Western norms.

How is politics relevant to this discussion?

So there's been a lot of different topics brought up. One of which has to do with the session itself and the other having to do with culture. I won't speak on the session itself because that is something that you personally can and should handle. Basically, don't be an idiot, follow instructions from booker, FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T KNOCK ON THE DOOR, and be respectful.  

"White savior syndrome" is hardly limited to White liberals, in my experience it does seem to be exclusive to White people though, I can't remember the last time I saw a Black or Latino with this same "savior" complex. Of course I don't think I  have ever seen anyone with Black Brown or Asian "guilt" like you do with white people, but I suppose that too is a topic for a different board.

Do with this information what ever you wish. I don’t care. I know all of this to be true and very rewarding if you pay attention to it. But you’re a paying customer. The older, more experienced girls will never let on that they notice these things. This is why they can get such consistently high reviews.  

Welcome to the kgirl forum of TER OP!

Usually, the instructions are "don't knock" because you are being watched through the peephole in the door. As you reach the threshold, the door "magically opens."  Pre-COVID, pre-mask, they could see if you looked "safe" as a newbie. And because some places have personal policies ("no AA" or "no Koreans" or "no Asians" at all), I think they want to see the face of a new guest before opening the door.
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This Q is not so much for CDL and others who are so well known to their hostesses that they are recognized from 200 yards away by their walk or their clothes. With a mask on or a bag over their heads, the reaction is probably, "No problem, that's just Two with a mask on." New guests might be different.
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If it was me, I'd ask the phone girl for instructions in advance. "I normally wear a mask. Do you want me to take it off or pull it down BEFORE I reach the door? Should I wait for someone behind the door to ask me to lower the mask? ...?"  
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If anyone has some recent experience as a NEW (previously unknown) guest, what did they prefer about seeing a mask versus seeing a face?

That “I’ll bet your mom is hot” comment really happened. I saw one of my favorite girls a few years back and she was still shaking her had about the guy who had said that to her the day before.

As a side note, I want to point out a couple of things.

or two maybe but might actually be a bit related.

Care to chime in Papa babo?!

Golddust bro and other bros, who would you recommend to OP to pop his kgirl 🍒?!?!

Having worked and socialized with more than a few Asian women, I can definitively say they are nowhere near as submissive as so many guys seem to think. Korean women in particular tend to be pretty strong willed and even have more than a bit of a temper. Of course, as with all things, there is a bell curve.  

Learning some Korean words in general is helpful.  

I could be recalling the number incorrectly but I want to say Japanese has something like 20 different ways of saying no --possibly even 20 different words that ultimately mean "no".

Agree. When I was just get any type of thought down and seem it would be a multi-volume treatise I decided I really don't know.  

Since Chuseok is just around the corner, would seasonal gifts for that (best from a Korean market I would think) be welcomed or really hated more than chocolate and flowers. Cannot through it out as easily as flowers and not as regiftable  as chocolate.

Question 1: As I said in my previous, these girls are jaded and have seen everything. They won't take your bullshit and they have no problem kicking you out if you do something stupid. These girls PLAY the quiet, submissive type, but don't think it's real for one bit. They're extremely independent and ambitious and have no qualms with hustling you.  

Again, the whole "DON'T KNOCK ON THE FUCKING DOOR" is not always true - and in case of bay area, I've found it to be untrue.

Try asking a Japanese or Korean employee (one who lives and works in their native country) if they know something or can do something. I’ve done this more than a few times and seen it done (and chuckled under my breath) many more. Saying no is a big problem for them.  

Well bluntly saying no is rather rude so naturally they would be a bit hesitant

Nah Rocketbro; I respectfully disagree.  Don't knock on the door; It's bad luck.

A few Korean words in order to try to impress a native speaker.  I treat Kgirls like I do American girls.  Granted, if she is FOTB, I may offend her in some culturally insensitive way that I'm unaware of, but this is rare.  However, those that have been here three or four years are often relieved that 1) I understand their English pretty well, and 2) I'm never patronizing by trying to speak Korean myself.  

I'm not talking about impressing them. Just some comedic value for when the girl you see knows zero English. Which, in my experience, is pretty common unless it's an industry vet. Idk, it helped me before so I'm just sharing. No more than 10 words, just the very basics. Many of them start teaching me new words, and I'll always go along, even if I forget these words the moment Im out the door.

Hmm, well, that's interesting. I dont remember many instructions, if any,  that said not to knock. There are many instruction of not buzzing in, sure, but nothing is usually said of knocking. There was one instance where they wanted me to buzz instead of knocking, but it was a special case.

...to remember in this thread - follow the booker's instructions, study your ass off about Korean culture, follow the script, learn some Korean phrases, don't learn some Korean phrases, knock on the door, don't knock on the door, no underarm odor, no nose hair, no ear wax, no ear hair, no body hair, shave genitals.

...good choice.  Bring Korean snow pears.  They taste great and are also versatile - you can puree them to season BBQ meat.  See?  All that studying of Korean culture comes in handy, doesn't it?

Tbh if one just follows instructions one will be fine. There's not much to learn and it's not a large learning curve.  

in a general way, and I'm not directing it specifically at you, but MANY Kgirls understand a lot more English than they speak, they just don't know the rules of grammar on putting the words together into sentences, so oftentimes, they will pretend they don't understand you so they don't have to reply.  

pretend not to speak English is because they don't want to put in extra effort to feign interest about how big your boat is, what kind of car you have, or how much money you make. This goes back to my original post, but trying to impress or bullshit these girls is a bad idea.  

All you have to do is speak s-l-o-w-l-y and LOUDLY and every non English speaker will magically understand what you are saying. lol

I agree that most will speak/understand more English than they let on at times. In addition to just making it less of a headache it also serves as a protective barrier to keep a level of distance from someone -- that is really helpful when they are not feeling all that comfortable with the person. That is not really a Korean, or Asian, thing but just human nature.

"give them fruit and they will be stuck with it."   LOL

It's pretty easy to tell which ones pretend to not understand you. There are very few of those among kgirls. On the contrary, most kgirls want to talk to me using translator.

I completely agree! Some times they are curious about different people and cultures, but the talks are usually very surfaced or like general small talk. Like food, music, I have had them ask what I do. I have had some not want to talk as well... that’s all good if they keep the service up! We go there for one main reason... any other positive things are just happy side effects!

A fine addition to the thread Papa babo.  If only you'd relent, just a little bit, on us mongers who are exclusive to fiery spirited kgirls.

Baby steps with Papa babo Rocketbro.  At least he's not posting freaking out the kgirls.  And his latest posts have actually been insightful...

Sure. It depends on the situation.  

I only met one K-girl with GPS. All the others I’ve simply avoided due to tips from fellow mongers. And sometimes from reviews.

Thanks for your extensive advice. I'm surprised people would consider comments about parents and differences in physical appearance to be compliments. I guess some people just lack tact.

what a big dick they have.   It really doesn't matter.  For a working girl, there is no such thing as a dick that is too small, only too big.  

Back in the CV days there was a kgirl that asked me not to shower before the appointment because she liked my smell.  After we finished she used to smell my armpits etc.  Definitely the exception and it caught me off guard.  

That would have caught me off guard, too. I have known a couple of friends whose wives said they loved their husband’s smell. One of the wives was Japanese. Honestly, I never really believed them. I thought they were just trying to be sweet.  

Sometimes I think you interpret so you can give the answer you wanted to rather than wasting time with an answer that was requested. LOL

they always remind me to check that no one is around, if so walk past and come back, and not to knock or make much noise. Once they understand I will be well mannered in that regard sometimes they stop repeating it -- but I suspect most of the time it is just the boilerplate text they send to everyone.

I usually turn the doorknob a few times (without opening the door). It makes a little sound so the girl can hear yet is not as loud as knocking.

I've yet to receive instructions about mask wearing so I haven't asked but I usually just wear it inside the apartment building and take it off before they open the door as I'm usually only standing in front of it for like 30 seconds.

“I think those situations usually get a "yes" anywhere!”

This is actually a great idea. I worked for a Korean company they'd send me a box from Daejon every year, and when I'd hand them to my US posted Korean coworkers, they'd almost cry. Taste of home. You can buy them at Safeway, but it's not the same. if you can get the imported ones from Korea, I'd bet that would really hit home.

A while back I just put him on ignore. I can say it has significantly improved my experience with TER forums.  

Personally, I think there's no better way to spiral down the path of some egregious fallacies than to willngly choose to live in an echochamber.  

I stated “ posters who never contribute anything positive. But always contribute something deeply antagonistic or negative.”

A little more background on why I believe PapSmear genuinely deserves to be ignored.

I simply put up my opinion on the concept, just like you did. I even said it's just my personal, general thoughts on the subject matter that was brought up.  

That's classic mental illness.  It wouldn't be surprising if some day he was revealed to also be a sadistic serial killer.

1.  "Fabricating false reports of K-girl STDs."  "He and a few others."  He or one of his cronies."  WTF are you talking about?   What "others?"  What "cronies?"  Where did I "describe symptoms that occurred during a session that never happened?"  In a post on TER?  Pure bullshit.  Show it to me.  This happened in the Bay Area?  I don't know Jack Shit about the Bay Area.  I've never posted one word about the Bay Area.  I don't give a shit about the Bay Area.  That's the biggest fucking lie ever told about me.  That includes CDL and GaG so you're in very good company when it comes to liars.

then how about stepping up and taking my challenge?  You keep beating this drum, but you won't man up and put your money where your lying mouth is.  Every time you mention it, you are just reminding everyone that you are a coward because you KNOW you are lying.  You will not bet on your own lies.  That's become apparent. But go ahead, keep reminding us what  a liar you are.