How is politics relevant to this discussion?
Okay, this might seem like a dumb question for people on this board that apparently see a ton of Kgirls but do you guys have any tips for an experienced hobbyist who's seeing one for the first time?
I've had plenty of experience with Western and SE Asian ladies but never a Kgirl. Might just tick off that box though in the coming weeks so I was wondering if there was anything unique to them I should watch out for or try to do for the best possible experience. A quick check of my profile will show I'm more than experienced enough to know the do's and don'ts with providers in general like doing my research ahead of time, trying to stick with reputable agencies/indies, being well-groomed and respectful, pay the damn fee and don't haggle like a right bastard, etc etc but are there any quirks to K-girls worth knowing ahead of time? For example, I don't want to show up to the appointment with a box of chocolates and have her throw her high heels at me because only dear grandmas get that as gifts from new acquaintances back home - I'm pretty sure that's not the case but I've been exposed to tons of other cultures and know you should never assume. I know plenty about Japan, China, and most of the rest of East Asia but never been to Korea - literally or hobby-wise lol. Thanks in advance for any help.
If you really want to give a kgirl a good gift, leave a nice tip. You are certainly free to bring them chocolates and the kgirl will thank you for the thoughtful gesture. However, chances are that the chocolate will later be consumed by someone other than the kgirl recipient. It may even be another client that ends up taking home your big box of sees. I have gotten free chocolate around certain holidays and I am sure many others here have also.
kgirls follow a hard script but if you feel you want to try something like give presents etc and as long your respectful to the girl it will be ok. these girls are pro hookers and not some dumb retards so can go with the flow and deviate from the script if your respectful. even if you don't speak korean just using grunts and hand motions like tarzan and jane will work.
have fun.
There is an SOP shared by many K-Girls. E.g., arrive at location, do not do things to draw attention to yourself, get buzzed in, do not knock on apt door (it opens magically!), shoes off (Asian custom), get ready for shower, shower, "blue toast", etc.. Don't worry about the few minutes it takes to shower or think you are being hustled into "losing" 5 minutes of time in the room. It all works out for the best.
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There may be minor variations (do knock, don't knock; ring the bell, do not ring the bell) - follow their instructions. If you're familiar with the basics, you'll be comfortable and not surprised by anything.
Okay, this might seem like a dumb question for people on this board that apparently see a ton of Kgirls but do you guys have any tips for an experienced hobbyist who's seeing one for the first time?
I've had plenty of experience with Western and SE Asian ladies but never a Kgirl. Might just tick off that box though in the coming weeks so I was wondering if there was anything unique to them I should watch out for or try to do for the best possible experience. A quick check of my profile will show I'm more than experienced enough to know the do's and don'ts with providers in general like doing my research ahead of time, trying to stick with reputable agencies/indies, being well-groomed and respectful, pay the damn fee and don't haggle like a right bastard, etc etc but are there any quirks to K-girls worth knowing ahead of time? For example, I don't want to show up to the appointment with a box of chocolates and have her throw her high heels at me because only dear grandmas get that as gifts from new acquaintances back home - I'm pretty sure that's not the case but I've been exposed to tons of other cultures and know you should never assume. I know plenty about Japan, China, and most of the rest of East Asia but never been to Korea - literally or hobby-wise lol. Thanks in advance for any help.
Just follow their lead. Most K girls have a routine, and they're most comfortable if you just let them do their thing. At least that's what I do on the first visit. Some girls are more flexible than others, you just have to read the room.
The shower is the part that separates the all stars from the pack for me. A good shower routine sets the mood for the rest of the hour.
is excellent advise for a newbie to Kgirls. It gives you an idea of what is on the menu of most Kgirls and how the hour will seamlessly move from activity to activity if you let her drive. However, once you've seen about 10 Kgirls and know your way around the routine, its certainly okay to take her out of her routine and set the pace yourself. Just be confident and show them you're an experienced lover. They will gladly follow. Sticking with the routine too long will make you feel like you're getting assembly-lline sex.
Unless they're following Deming's principles for quality management.
If a provider was adhering to Deming's principles, would she then be considered a follower of SEX Sigma lol?
Let's be honest - it's kind of what it is. Girls who serve 5-12 customers a day is an assembly line/conveyor belt type sex. This is why girls who genuinely have fun or can feign this fun fucking are sought after. And yes, going off script is vital, otherwise you will feel like all sessions blur together.
Obviously, it's up to customer too to vary the script, but there are definitely girls who won't budge off their routine on first or even second meeting.
It CAN be a conveyor belt, one-size-fits-all, IF YOU LET IT, but once you know what you like, you should take them out of the routine. For instance, I don't EVER start face-down for a massage, and I don't ever allow rimming (except for the rimming-Queen, Heri, who I see once a year for my annual deep-colon-cleaning - lol), so I would rather spend that time doing things I prefer. Consequently, I have never had a girl that I couldn't "take off" her intended routine. If you are confident, engaging, humorous and have some skills of your own, they are more than willing to let you drive. They WILL budge if you give them a little push-back in a friendly way. Sometimes, with the hard cases, I will just jokingly say with a big smile, "If YOU want to pay ME, then you get to decide what we do next, fair enough? Otherwise, . . . . . " They always get the message and invariably have just as much fun as I do. They get bored with the routine, too, but if the customer seemed insecure or unsure of himself, they instinctively take over to get him through the session.
I've definitely had sessions where the girl would be unwilling to veer off the routine. I'm talking any action would be met with asking what exactly I want to do, and because usually kgirls can't speak English, it's a pantomime that gets old or it becomes a phone translator app session instead of spontaneous sex session. I don't really like scripts, but if a girl rebukes me in trying to stay off script, I'm not going to force her. I will go through and she will get a corresponding review. Some girls have killer scripts and this isn't a big issue. Most will go off scripts once they know you better, but most customers who dislike scripts also won't go beyond two sessions if a girl doesn't go off script by the end of the second at the very latest, IMO. Most such customers will just go to see someone else after the first scripted session. And I can't say I blame em too much.
Appreciate the responses guys. I'll keep the info in mind when the time comes.
Don't overthink it.
Just follow the bookers instructions. They all have their idiosyncrasies but the SOP is you should be inconspicuous as possible, don't be standing around the the entrance waiting for the booker to send you a text to get into the complex. Don't be loud. Bookers will tell you to knock lightly on the door or not knock at all. Don't freak out if she doesn't open the door immediately and start ringing the bell.
Once inside, remain quiet. Most of these girls work in two bedrooms (or more) apartments and there may be another session going on. Do as the provider tells you, if she asks you to take off your shoes, do so. Just relax and go with the flow; the ladies have different personalities, likes/dislikes, and methods. Most likely there will be a shower and mouthwash. Some may ask for payment at the beginning, some will not ask at all, just pay at the end of the session. I personally never hand her the money, I lay it out on the nightstand or dresser. Certainly pay exactly what you are supposed to, and leave a tip if you want to. For a first time visit, I always let the provider lead when it comes to their service. If you want to repeat, and want to bring her a gift, ASK her what she would like. Some girls are just happy if you bring them a coffee or some snacks/food. I just saw a girl yesterday (my second visit) and my small bag of food and snacks made her extremely happy, because I remembered what she liked, and then we had an amazing session.
If you want to be better at communicating, learn some basic Korean, or use your phone with a language app.
this was perhaps one of the most intelligent and insightful questions posed on the board here. Shows a nice cultural awareness. Lacking that insight I suspect more than a few guys here have screwed themselves over a bit by insulting the girl, the booker or both without even realizing it.
The bookers and girls know when the guy is new to the scene.
I agree with you, but usually unless the guy is completely a dick, both booker and girl will be patient. The only thing that they won't tolerate outside of realm of being a huge asshole is haggling. Hence my usual advice to guys coming from the storefront amp world where haggling is the name of the game - don't do it. Lol.
Yes but what you describe only gets you the script and "I don't speak English well" to cover the more subtle gaffs westerners cause with ignorance.
I had been thinking of expanding on that but am certainly not the expert there so stopped trying. I think collectively putting some type of cultural cliff notes together would be helpful to some but probably not worth the effort as more would simple ignore them, just not "get it" or simply have the view it is the girl's responsibility to mold herself to the USA culture. So they get what they ask for in that case -- less than the best experience they could have. (And no, that is not a shot at you.)
I already get enough white guys telling me how not to be a racist on P&R, I certainly don't want any white guys telling me how not to offend a K-girl here too.
If a native Korean would like to give some detailed pointers on Korean culture and faux pas, that's one thing, but PLEASE white guys, I know you are trying to be helpful, but unless you are either native Korean, or at the very least have lived for several years in Korea please just "don't" try to give lessons in the culture of a country you have never lived in.
and no, this is not a shot at you Jensen, this is a shot at all "Well meaning White guys" invariably you do more harm than good.
White savior syndrome -- almost exclusively occurring in liberals, both male and female or other pronoun challenged.
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To be fair to we whites, liberalism exists in all other races, probably even more so in most cases.
How is politics relevant to this discussion?
"White savior syndrome" is hardly limited to White liberals, in my experience it does seem to be exclusive to White people though, I can't remember the last time I saw a Black or Latino with this same "savior" complex. Of course I don't think I have ever seen anyone with Black Brown or Asian "guilt" like you do with white people, but I suppose that too is a topic for a different board.
Back to the topic at hand, PLEASE White people, just stay in your lane. The most annoying and insulting thing you can do to most Asian people or people of Asian descent is to treat us "differently" trying so fucking hard not to be offensive ironically is one of the most offensive things you can do.
Agree. When I was just get any type of thought down and seem it would be a multi-volume treatise I decided I really don't know.
So, in the spirit of your response, GaG, just go fuck yourself! LOL
So there's been a lot of different topics brought up. One of which has to do with the session itself and the other having to do with culture. I won't speak on the session itself because that is something that you personally can and should handle. Basically, don't be an idiot, follow instructions from booker, FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T KNOCK ON THE DOOR, and be respectful.
Having said that, the other topic I've seen brought up is about being culturally sensitive. I appreciate other people's insights, but while I thank the non-Korean members for wanting to be culturally sensitive, it's probably best to let the Asians/Koreans handle it.
Being perfectly honest, there's not much you can do in an hour that will offend a kgirl culturally. Unless you say how great the Japanese Imperial Army was, step onto the carpet with your shoes on (DON'T DO IT), or touch them before washing your hands/using hand sanitizer, you're going to be fine. Asians, especially Koreans, are FANATICALLY obsessed with being clean and healthy. Koreans are already freaked out because of COVID, last thing they want is for you coming into the apartment and touching them before you even washed your hands.
The other thing is your attitude. It's been mentioned here on multiple threads about how to act with kgirls, especially for those that have been trying to get OTC, but really, it's a no brainer. Sure you hear guys talk about their OTC experiences with kgirls, but it wasn't automatic and it takes time. Korean girls like guys that are cool and collected. They don't like guys that try to impress or show off. Also, YOU'RE IN THEIR HOME, YOU ARE A GUEST. RESPECT ANOTHER'S HOME. These girls have seen it all. Nothing you say or do will impress them. They will know when you're bullshitting and nothing dry's up a Korean girl's pussy more than guys who tries too hard. Be natural, talk calmly and remember to use indoor voices (in Korean culture, it's okay for girls to be loud, but guys who are loud are looked down on). As I said before, but there really isn't anything you can do in an hour to make a complete cultural faux pas unless you're as dense as a rock and have the common sense of Peter Griffin.
or two maybe but might actually be a bit related.
One is about how a lot of western guys seem to think K-girls, and Asian women in general, are submissive. I'm pretty clear on that being a western male myth. However, (and kind of ignoring the whole Confucian area), I think it might be better to see that as supportive, not submissive. But mannerisms that go with fulfilling the supportive role often seem interpreted as submission. Is that off base or is that something all, as GaG would say, white guys might want to keep in mind.
The other is linguistic, western speech and certainly USA culture is very direct. But most Asian languages tend to be a little more indirect in expressing commands/requests. Even when there are clear status differences the higher status person will generally do more of a suggestion that a flat out command like we would expect in the USA otherwise they come across as rude or in a really bad mood or something. To me that say try to use more passive voice than active voice in communications.
(And perhaps just make the trivial effort of learning how to say Hello, Goodbye, It was nice to meet you, I've been wanting to meet you and maybe That is/was good in Korean. That was recommended to me and seem to be a welcomed effort.)
Having worked and socialized with more than a few Asian women, I can definitively say they are nowhere near as submissive as so many guys seem to think. Korean women in particular tend to be pretty strong willed and even have more than a bit of a temper. Of course, as with all things, there is a bell curve.
I wouldn’t call them supportive, either. The word I would use is hierarchical. Hierarchy, titles and such are very important to Asians. I think more so in Korea. But maybe that’s just my experience.
Acknowledgement and face are also important to them. Most Asian cultures don’t make it easy for someone, especially a woman, to say “no” or “I made a mistake” (well, it’s a bit easier for an Asian woman to say she made a mistake than for an Asian man, in my experience). It’s best to not put them in a position where they have to do so. I remember an instance where three Japanese guys had to fly to CA so they could as gracefully as possible take hundreds of thousands of dollars of defective product back without having to say they’d made a mistake. It was so painful to watch I couldn’t laugh. Even though the whole act was a bit comical.
I’ve found it universally true that a little head nod, or small bow, of acknowledgement goes a very long way with those who are raised in Asia. Their entire demeanor changes if you add that little nod or bow.
Try it for yourself when you first meet someone in Asia or who was raised there. Catch their eyes and do a quick, almost imperceptible head nod. Most of the time this will make a noticeable difference in how quickly they warm up to you.
I could be recalling the number incorrectly but I want to say Japanese has something like 20 different ways of saying no --possibly even 20 different words that ultimately mean "no".
A bit like Eskimos and snow. Lol
Try asking a Japanese or Korean employee (one who lives and works in their native country) if they know something or can do something. I’ve done this more than a few times and seen it done (and chuckled under my breath) many more. Saying no is a big problem for them.
I haven’t studied Japanese history or culture enough to know the origin. But I suspect the reason they have so many ways to say no is because they really hate saying just “no”.
This is solely based on about 30 years of working here in the U.S. and having responsibility for handling Asian business relationships (primarily Japan and Korea). I do not claim to know anything beyond that. That and about 20 years of mongering with Asian girls here and in Asia.
All that said, you are free to believe whatever you wish based on your own study and experience. I do not believe that whatever I understand and believe must be the absolute truth for everyone else.
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Well bluntly saying no is rather rude so naturally they would be a bit hesitant 
Now, for us 'mericans, we have lots of ways of saying no: No, NO!, No fucking way. Go get fucked. Take a hike. Get bent. Plus many many more. But we say yes a lot of ways to. LOL
Learning some Korean words in general is helpful.
Using some of those words in the most goofy accent imaginable is a pretty good ice breaker in majority of my sessions, if I need one. Light sign language joking also works really well. The problem with using translator apps is that if you do it in the middle of deed you lose steam and drive. No such problem with sign language and 15-word vocab used creatively.
Also there are some exceptions to what you say, some kgirls want you to be direct with them as possible and are so with you as well, and these can cause disconnects. However, these are definitely exceptions, so I do agree with you.
A few Korean words in order to try to impress a native speaker. I treat Kgirls like I do American girls. Granted, if she is FOTB, I may offend her in some culturally insensitive way that I'm unaware of, but this is rare. However, those that have been here three or four years are often relieved that 1) I understand their English pretty well, and 2) I'm never patronizing by trying to speak Korean myself.
I actually had a Kgirlfriend once announce she was going to teach me to speak Korean. I told her she would have to get me to marry her first, then we would have to move to Korea, after which I would learn Korean. Since most don't want to move back to Korea, a least not while we're dating, that pretty much ends the idea of ME speaking Korean.
I'm not talking about impressing them. Just some comedic value for when the girl you see knows zero English. Which, in my experience, is pretty common unless it's an industry vet. Idk, it helped me before so I'm just sharing. No more than 10 words, just the very basics. Many of them start teaching me new words, and I'll always go along, even if I forget these words the moment Im out the door.
in a general way, and I'm not directing it specifically at you, but MANY Kgirls understand a lot more English than they speak, they just don't know the rules of grammar on putting the words together into sentences, so oftentimes, they will pretend they don't understand you so they don't have to reply.
We don't get as many 90-day wonders as we used to in SoCal, so most of the girls that come through have enough English fluency to get though the lexicon of sex work. Only a couple of times for me in the past year that I asked about a specific sex act and she didn't understand, which in both cases was shower P2P, but fortunately, its something that lends itself to a demonstration. Lol
pretend not to speak English is because they don't want to put in extra effort to feign interest about how big your boat is, what kind of car you have, or how much money you make. This goes back to my original post, but trying to impress or bullshit these girls is a bad idea.
From the responses I've been seeing, apparently some of you can't take the hint.
It's pretty easy to tell which ones pretend to not understand you. There are very few of those among kgirls. On the contrary, most kgirls want to talk to me using translator.
And who the hell talks about materialistic shit with hookers? Lol. I do agree it's pointless trying to impress kgirls. It's us who they should be trying to impress, lol. We are the ones who are paying.
I completely agree! Some times they are curious about different people and cultures, but the talks are usually very surfaced or like general small talk. Like food, music, I have had them ask what I do. I have had some not want to talk as well... that’s all good if they keep the service up! We go there for one main reason... any other positive things are just happy side effects!
All you have to do is speak s-l-o-w-l-y and LOUDLY and every non English speaker will magically understand what you are saying. lol
You also didn't mention the large number of K-Girls who have adequate English skills, but who pretend not to understand a word of English when they are with a guy they don't really like and don't want to talk to.
Personally I too have given up on learning Korean despite having had several Korean girl friends, I might have slanted eyes, but I have an anglo tongue and Asian words are extremely hard for me to pronounce correctly, Ironically growing up in California with all the Spanish (Mexican) influence in the states history including a huge percentage of cities with Spanish names, even though I butcher the Spanish language in the way I form sentences and conjugate verbs, I can actually pronounce most Spanish words properly enough that almost all native Spanish speakers can understand what I say. OTOH, NOBODY can understand me when I try to speak Korean, or Chinese, or Vietnamese et al.
I agree that most will speak/understand more English than they let on at times. In addition to just making it less of a headache it also serves as a protective barrier to keep a level of distance from someone -- that is really helpful when they are not feeling all that comfortable with the person. That is not really a Korean, or Asian, thing but just human nature.
As rocket said, learning a few words in the girls native language is not about impressing them. I think if you come across like that I suspect you'll get the response James was talking about. I think learning what you can -- a few words or if you care to try learning the language to some basic level -- is about showing a bit of respect and courtesy. It's like traveling to another country, just being able to say Hello, thank you and please goes a long way. Expected others to know how to speak English in their own country so you can have a easier time is a bit insulting. I would submit getting into the K-Girl wold is actually a bit like leaving the USA and going to Korea even if physically everyone is in the states -- not a perfect simile but not completely wrong either.
Question 1: As I said in my previous, these girls are jaded and have seen everything. They won't take your bullshit and they have no problem kicking you out if you do something stupid. These girls PLAY the quiet, submissive type, but don't think it's real for one bit. They're extremely independent and ambitious and have no qualms with hustling you.
Question 2: It depends what the context is. The problem is that you guys are talking about super broad concepts that are impossible to answer. If there is something in particular you want from a kgirl, it's okay to say, "hey, can we switch it up?" Be respectful of course. What's more annoying is "Um, is it okay if um... we can maybe do doggy?" That'll piss them off, especially the older kgirls. It's okay to tell them what you want, but like everything else, it depends how you say it. If you respectfully ask for it, you're fine. If you order or command them to it, that's gonna be a dried up pussy and kgirl giving you some serious glaring side eye when you're not looking and swearing in Korean under her breath.
You guys are seriously overthinking all of this. As long as you're courteous, respectful, use common sense, and follow the instructions (SERIOUSLY, DON'T KNOCK ON THE FUCKING DOOR!!!) you're going to be fine. All this extra stuff about culture and learning a few Korean phrases doesn't do anything. Sure, you can speak a few Korean phrases... then what? That's like going to a Mexican restaurant, saying "Hola, como esta?" "Muy bien, gracias. Y usted?" "Bien, gracias" and then awkwardly going "Okay, so I'd like to order the chicken quesadilla (and pronouncing it with an L rather than a YEE sound)."
Again, the whole "DON'T KNOCK ON THE FUCKING DOOR" is not always true - and in case of bay area, I've found it to be untrue.
I've had around 100 trips to kgirls last year, and I'd say 90% of the time I either had to knock on door or buzz in. Even if the girl is right behind the door and I can hear her.
Nah Rocketbro; I respectfully disagree. Don't knock on the door; It's bad luck.
You're an annonymous monger Rocketbro. Maybe that's why you feel compelled to knock? I've only had to call an audible 2 out of 100 times! But I'm a full disclosure monger and the kgirls know I'm cuming. Ha ha
Just like you like to lay the donation down. And I like to hand it to her when I do my formalities... different styles. You do you but don't give advice that's counter to 9 out of 10 booker's instructions of don't knock on the door. Like you comment about enter quickly...
YMMV
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Hmm, well, that's interesting. I dont remember many instructions, if any, that said not to knock. There are many instruction of not buzzing in, sure, but nothing is usually said of knocking. There was one instance where they wanted me to buzz instead of knocking, but it was a special case.
Again, I'm just sharing my experience as it was over last couple of years. I dont claim it to be the ultimate truth, but I've seen enough girls to at least share my experience imo.
Best course of actions is just follow the instructions that are given.
they always remind me to check that no one is around, if so walk past and come back, and not to knock or make much noise. Once they understand I will be well mannered in that regard sometimes they stop repeating it -- but I suspect most of the time it is just the boilerplate text they send to everyone.
But different environments will have different rules I suppose.
I usually turn the doorknob a few times (without opening the door). It makes a little sound so the girl can hear yet is not as loud as knocking.
Are there any non-Western cultural norms that could be violated during a visit? The only things I can think of would be during a conversation like talking about age or money and those are covered under Western norms.
Do with this information what ever you wish. I don’t care. I know all of this to be true and very rewarding if you pay attention to it. But you’re a paying customer. The older, more experienced girls will never let on that they notice these things. This is why they can get such consistently high reviews.
Cultural norms:
All of Asia tends to be highly patriarchal. Korea more than most. Being filial carries significantly more meaning for them than we are used to. A compliment that might come easy here in the U.S. like “I’ll bet your mom is/was hot” is almost certainly not going to go over well with a k-girl. If for some reason her family comes up in a discussion, let her lead said discussion. It’s easy to step on a land mine if you don’t.
Physical differences (please feel free to use your search engine of choice to fact check):
Don’t make comments that imply you think Asian dicks are smaller. They’ll humor you because you’re paying. But I know from experience that most of them get pretty annoyed with this.
Body odor. We all know a bit about this already. If I remember correctly, over 2/3 of Koreans - and most Asians, I believe - don’t have the same bacteria that causes the body odor under our arms with which we are familiar. I can provide a few links on this if you don’t believe me. So, it’s worth spending extra care to eliminate that odor as much as possible.
Ears and nose:. Asians generally make significantly less ear wax than we do. It’s also a different color and less odiferous. Again, I can provide links if you don’t believe me. In Japan, especially Tokyo, you’ll find girls who will clean your ears for you in little shops on the street.
Most women, Asians more than most though, find ear hair unattractive. If it’s soft hair, keep it trimmed. If it’s gotten bristly, electrolysis is a good idea. Still, up to you.
Nose hair, most women find this unattractive. But remember how short many of these Asian girls are. They are looking right up your nose. Do with that information whatever you wish.
Body hair. I’m sure you all know as well as I do that body hair on Asians is much less than on non Asian males. Especially older men. I know for a fact that, when asked, most Asian women (at least in Japan, Korea and China where I have the most experience working) will wince when they see the chest hair of a Caucasian in a movie. And, if asked, they’ll admit they aren’t fans of what we consider normal levels of body hair.
As a long time cyclist, I started waxing much of my body hair a long time ago. The first time I got frost bite in areas where the hair trapped cold air against my body on a winter ride sold me on doing so. I can’t tell you how many Asian providers have thanked me for that. I’ve lost count.
Added benefit to waxing or shaving genital hair. As we get older, it gets thicker and even grows up the shaft. This is a significant contributor to the loss of sensation that occurs as we age and causes difficulty in reaching orgasm. If you eliminate that hair it will definitely increase sensation. I’ve had friends do it and tell me about their experience. It can be dramatic. Again, your choice.
Also, the more you shorten, lessen or eliminate body hair, the easier it will be to keep clean and eliminate body odors.
Manicures and pedicures. Most women don’t like ragged fingernails and cuticles in their kitty. Asian women possibly more than most. If your toenails are the slightest bit pointy, I’m sure your providers have noticed. They have to make sure to dodge those to keep from getting scratched. Again, do with that information what you wish.
I am fully aware that there are exceptions to everything. There will be those rare Asian women (generally only those who are Americanized, for lack of a better word) who like body and facial hair. But I’ve never met any that were fond of our ear wax and body odor. Though they must exist somewhere.
Again, these are just a few things I’ve learned that work very well for me with Asian women over the years. But, as with all things, YMMV.
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That “I’ll bet your mom is hot” comment really happened. I saw one of my favorite girls a few years back and she was still shaking her had about the guy who had said that to her the day before.
Thanks for your extensive advice. I'm surprised people would consider comments about parents and differences in physical appearance to be compliments. I guess some people just lack tact.
what a big dick they have. It really doesn't matter. For a working girl, there is no such thing as a dick that is too small, only too big.
Back in the CV days there was a kgirl that asked me not to shower before the appointment because she liked my smell. After we finished she used to smell my armpits etc. Definitely the exception and it caught me off guard.
That would have caught me off guard, too. I have known a couple of friends whose wives said they loved their husband’s smell. One of the wives was Japanese. Honestly, I never really believed them. I thought they were just trying to be sweet.
But it sounds like you met one that really loved it. Pretty cool!
Yeah,I know they’re sex workers, but if your mannerisms or attitude gives them the feeling that you just consider them a slab of meat, you’ll most likely get very perfunctory service. Compliments go a long way. This of course applies to all these gals, not just the K-gals. From your self description, I don‘t think you’ll have any problems.
The op said, "I've had plenty of experience with Western and SE Asian ladies".
Do you think he treated them with disrespect and like slabs of meat? Like you've said, it's hardy specific to kgirls and is very generic truism. Might as well say "bring the money she's charging" or "don't fuck and dash". Lol.
I always try to treat every provider with respect. I know ultimately it's a job for them and the money is the endpoint but they're still people and I don't know what circumstances they're in or why they're in this line of business so there's no need to be a dick unless she's acting badly herself. I think I've been lucky to have run into only one or two genuinely mediocre providers and on the whole I've found being a normal, nice guy without being an obvious suck-up, doormat, or wannabe white knight goes a long way towards a great session 
Welcome to the kgirl forum of TER OP!
I was new here once and welcomed warmly.
I read one of your reviews and you're a one shot monger in an hour unless you go for two hours and you should be able to muster MSOG.
May I suggest Ms Cami or Ms Pepsi for your first outing? Maybe CDL has a first time recommendation for you....
I am of the opinion that 90% of us in here consider ourselves mongers and not hobbyists. But I want you to feel welcome so I'll leave it at that.
I suggest treating all concerned like a business partner. And they'll treat you the same.
Don't knock on the magic door; EVER. It's bad luck.
Do take off your shoes after entering. She'll take your hand and guide you to her room or bathroom to wash hands. Follow her lead as it will make her comfortable with you.
Do hand her the appropriate donation amount and introduce yourself. Good manners go a long way with kgirls.
Some kgirls have GPS. You may need to add some of your sugar and make sweet lemonade. You won't have to with Ms Cami or Ms Pepsi though.
As previously mentioned, kgirls have a script. Let her know that you're a one shot monger in the shower and she'll give you her one shot routine.
Have fun. Tell jokes. Treat her like a one or two hour girlfriend.
If at the end if the session she gives you her digits and asks if you'll be her regular, there will be a next time hook where she'll do your script for you NEXT TIME. If not, never mind.
YMMV
I only met one K-girl with GPS. All the others I’ve simply avoided due to tips from fellow mongers. And sometimes from reviews.
When I met that one GPS Kgirl years ago, I realized what she was doing, and it pissed me off. So, I gave her the bow a person gives another of much higher status, pulled a 20 out of my wallet (I’d already paid her) and thanked her for seeing me. Then I began to put my clothes on and did not look at her (if you look at her for a reaction, she’ll read right through it and this will not work).
It took her a few beats to respond. But she stopped me and we worked it out. I had a reasonably nice session with her. But I never repeated. It felt too much like sex with that ex-girlfriend, albeit one who was quite good in bed, that you thought would be worth one last shot.
I’ve had other experiences (not with k-girls though) with Asian girls that started to go south. I do basically the same thing, but with a less deep bow. They generally try to stop me. And if they’re nice enough about it, I might stay. But, usually, if I decide to walk, I walk. And I activate plan B.
Most girls have rushed and given me my money back as I walked out the door. If they don’t, then I write a review to warn others away. Those who have known me a while may even remember me doing so on other sites. But TER doesn’t have too many Asian non-kgirl providers listed for review. There’s not even a forum for them. So, I would consider it pointless here. Besides, I haven’t had one of these experiences outside of an AMP for quite some time. And I haven’t even been going to AMPs for the past year or so.
Anyway, that would be my recommendation if you find yourself with a GPS Kgirl. With as much pride as they tend to have, in my experience, a kgirl will probably not let you walk without showing you what you’re missing.
Usually, the instructions are "don't knock" because you are being watched through the peephole in the door. As you reach the threshold, the door "magically opens." Pre-COVID, pre-mask, they could see if you looked "safe" as a newbie. And because some places have personal policies ("no AA" or "no Koreans" or "no Asians" at all), I think they want to see the face of a new guest before opening the door.
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This Q is not so much for CDL and others who are so well known to their hostesses that they are recognized from 200 yards away by their walk or their clothes. With a mask on or a bag over their heads, the reaction is probably, "No problem, that's just Two with a mask on." New guests might be different.
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If it was me, I'd ask the phone girl for instructions in advance. "I normally wear a mask. Do you want me to take it off or pull it down BEFORE I reach the door? Should I wait for someone behind the door to ask me to lower the mask? ...?"
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If anyone has some recent experience as a NEW (previously unknown) guest, what did they prefer about seeing a mask versus seeing a face?
As a side note, I want to point out a couple of things.
First, if you are a first timer and you did not provide ID info or selfie, soms orgs will have the gjrl take a picture of you through the peephole. I've seen the bay area wall of shame, and it has some pics of guys through the peephole.
Personally, that never sat well with me - I don't like to be photographed without my knowledge, so wearing a mask seems like a great way to minimize your exposure. It's not a big deal, but I'd like to preserve anonymity and masks are a great and convenient way now that they don't make you look like a robber. I'd usually wear a baseball fitted that I'd pull down to cover my eyes before this pandemic.
Second, I think people are a bit dramatic with the don't knock thing. Most places I'd visit in the bay I'd have to knock. If I just stand in front of the door they won't let me in. Knocking lightly is ok. Some places even wanted me to buzz because they wouldn't hear the knock. This isn't typical, but I would suggest taking the "DONT EVER KNOCK" thing with a grain of salt. Don't just stand there like an idiot for two minutes wirgoht buzzing or knocking. Especially if there are people outside in the hallway.
Now, what people did not mention is that once door opens you need to get in quickly so it can be closed. Girl will not be visible hence "magic door" terminology. First time I've ever done aamps I took my time walking in. The girl did not scold me because she knew I was new, but you really shouldn't do that.
I've yet to receive instructions about mask wearing so I haven't asked but I usually just wear it inside the apartment building and take it off before they open the door as I'm usually only standing in front of it for like 30 seconds.
Care to chime in Papa babo?!
LoL
...to remember in this thread - follow the booker's instructions, study your ass off about Korean culture, follow the script, learn some Korean phrases, don't learn some Korean phrases, knock on the door, don't knock on the door, no underarm odor, no nose hair, no ear wax, no ear hair, no body hair, shave genitals.
Or instead of all that bullshit to try and save a hundred bucks...go see an "indie" AKA an American AKA a white girl (BTW, it's time to stop calling non K-girls "indies." But that's for another thread). No need to worry about offending them if you say you bet her mom was hot; no pantomiming, no translators.
How's that Swoon? Are you happy I chimed in?
Tbh if one just follows instructions one will be fine. There's not much to learn and it's not a large learning curve.
I don't think people see kgirls "to save couple of hundred bucks". I know I don't see them for that reason, at all.
The language barrier does suck, but the service is excellent, especially compared to many white indies.
And why a white girl specifically and not a Latina or AA girl?
Baby steps with Papa babo Rocketbro. At least he's not posting freaking out the kgirls. And his latest posts have actually been insightful...
LoL
Golddust bro and other bros, who would you recommend to OP to pop his kgirl 🍒?!?!
YMMV
Since Chuseok is just around the corner, would seasonal gifts for that (best from a Korean market I would think) be welcomed or really hated more than chocolate and flowers. Cannot through it out as easily as flowers and not as regiftable as chocolate.
Seems like it might fall into the good food type option that seems a bit more appreciated.
...good choice. Bring Korean snow pears. They taste great and are also versatile - you can puree them to season BBQ meat. See? All that studying of Korean culture comes in handy, doesn't it?
A fine addition to the thread Papa babo. If only you'd relent, just a little bit, on us mongers who are exclusive to fiery spirited kgirls.
It's our flavor --) kimchikgirls! That'd be a good name for an org...
YAHOO!
YMMV
A while back I just put him on ignore. I can say it has significantly improved my experience with TER forums.
My current plan is just to watch for posters who never contribute anything positive. But always contribute something deeply antagonistic or negative. If that’s all they can do, then I think it’s better - for me, anyway - to just use the TER “ignore” function.
So far, it’s working great. It allows me to focus on interesting posts and occasionally find something to add to the discussion. No more pointless arguing with people whose sole purpose is to disrupt for me. I’ll stay focused on things that might help me or others enjoy getting laid by hot kgirls. Or is just plain interesting and/or fun.
But, just because it works for me, doesn’t mean anyone else has to do it.
All the best to everyone.
Personally, I think there's no better way to spiral down the path of some egregious fallacies than to willngly choose to live in an echochamber.
There's a myth that an ostrich, when it scared to confront osomething, sticks its head into sand. Because it does not see something, it pretends that it does not exist. Well, that is a myth, because if ostriches actually did that, they would go extinct.
This is no slight to you in particular, just my thoughts on this concept. I never ignored someone explicitly on many internet forums, aside from one spammer on a random board. I like to see the whole picture. I could never live in the matrix, gimme a red pill every time and give me some ugly truth, people wiyh incorrect facts, manageable trolls and baseless opinions over some sterile communication. But, maybe that's just me.
I stated “ posters who never contribute anything positive. But always contribute something deeply antagonistic or negative.”
I did not state “anyone who disagrees with me”.
The latter criteria would create an echo chamber. The former simply keeps the board constructive. If you want to come up with a valid criticism of my recommendation, I’d suggest another metaphor. I embrace counter opinions. But, if the data is virtually always garbage from a particular source, I think filtering it out is a valid approach.
If someone disagrees with me, as I have expressed over and over so I’m sure you know this well, it is my belief that they are entitled to their opinion. No problem. Different viewpoints are what make this world, and this forum, interesting.
I only have issues with people who deliberately fabricate negativity with no regard for the actual facts or truth of the matter. Or they take facts and extrapolate to form nonsensical conclusions. At some point their credibility approaches zero sufficiently that they are no longer worth following. That is when I believe they are worth ignoring.
If you think ignoring anyone at all, regardless of their quality of content, leads to an echo chamber, you are free to not do so. I put forth a recommendation for consideration. You considered it and decided it didn’t fit your world view. Cool. Don’t follow my recommendation.
I simply put up my opinion on the concept, just like you did. I even said it's just my personal, general thoughts on the subject matter that was brought up.
Like you'd say, you are free to believe whatever your definition of an echohamber is
A little more background on why I believe PapSmear genuinely deserves to be ignored.
I’ve been exposed to this guy’s nonsense for at least a decade. The most egregious example of his behavior that I recall is when he and a few others started fabricating false reports of K-girl STDs. I think this was about 2014 or 2015. But I might be off by a year or two.
These reports got quite elaborate. Much like his “evidence” that CDL is not who he claims to be. He or one of his cronies would create fake paperwork of failed STD tests. Or describe symptoms that occurred during a session that never happened. Or use some monger’s failed STD test data claiming that he only saw one provider so the STD must have come from her.
This caused many issues. Including the eventual departure of some of the Bay Area Legends who just got tired of having to go get tested to prove they were clean.
In all the time I have been reading his posts I have never seen anything come from him which was 100% truthful (mostly not even close to 100%).
Ultimately, in my opinion and based on years of experience with PapSmear, he is a completely untrustworthy source. I’ve spent decades doing chem and physics research. If there’s a source as unreliable as he has proved to be, I simply throw out the unreliable equipment and disregard the data it generated.
The TER ignore function essentially allows me to not have to spend time dealing with garbage data.
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That's classic mental illness. It wouldn't be surprising if some day he was revealed to also be a sadistic serial killer.
1. "Fabricating false reports of K-girl STDs." "He and a few others." He or one of his cronies." WTF are you talking about? What "others?" What "cronies?" Where did I "describe symptoms that occurred during a session that never happened?" In a post on TER? Pure bullshit. Show it to me. This happened in the Bay Area? I don't know Jack Shit about the Bay Area. I've never posted one word about the Bay Area. I don't give a shit about the Bay Area. That's the biggest fucking lie ever told about me. That includes CDL and GaG so you're in very good company when it comes to liars.
2. "CDL is not who he claims to be." What does that mean? If you're talking about me claiming he's Harpman, I never said that. I said he is EXACTLY LIKE Harpman. I also questioned his claim that he posted under a different handle from 2008 until 2015 when he started posting as CDL.
3. "I’ve been exposed to this guy’s nonsense for at least a decade." More bullshit. Your first post on TER was on 9/12/2014, exactly six years ago. Your first review was posted in December, 2014. Your first post on the K-girl board was on 5/18/2020. How have you been exposed to my "nonsense" for "at least a decade?"
And why hasn't my "nonsense" bothered you for a decade? Only NOW has your pot boiled over and you've put me on "Ignore?" ROFL, you're full of shit.
4. If you really do work in a chem lab, you've been sniffing too many fumes. Based on your observations about me, you shouldn't even be trusted with this:
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then how about stepping up and taking my challenge? You keep beating this drum, but you won't man up and put your money where your lying mouth is. Every time you mention it, you are just reminding everyone that you are a coward because you KNOW you are lying. You will not bet on your own lies. That's become apparent. But go ahead, keep reminding us what a liar you are.
This is actually a great idea. I worked for a Korean company they'd send me a box from Daejon every year, and when I'd hand them to my US posted Korean coworkers, they'd almost cry. Taste of home. You can buy them at Safeway, but it's not the same. if you can get the imported ones from Korea, I'd bet that would really hit home.
Maybe that's the golden key to Kdoll Greek....
"give them fruit and they will be stuck with it." LOL
Seriously, in all my years I have only known a few Kgirls (usually mature) that would cook at the incall. (Glow comes to mind for her pumpkin soup and Nuri for her seafood pasta. Both excellent.) So its better to bring food that is either already prepared, or can be eaten raw, like your fruit example. Most Kgirls like berries (strawberries, raspberries, blackberries), so a clamshell of fresh berries is an appreciated snack between appointments to tide them over until they get a meal break for something more substantial. Tip: Strawberries dipped in chocolate will NEVER be regifted, . . . . .not even when I saw them in the fridge and asked for one! Lol Godiva and Rocky Mountain Chocolates usually have them in season.
Sometimes I think you interpret so you can give the answer you wanted to rather than wasting time with an answer that was requested. LOL
The answer seems to be songpyeon. An not cooking involved
Yes I agree, cooking is problematic, particularly in this market where most of the girls are full on touring and there are significant concerns about the lingering smells from cooking and the disposal of waste. However I have never seen a location without a rice cooker.
Actually one of the "funny" stories I have relates to food and cooking. Our session wrapped up and we said out goodbyes at the door before opening. As she opened the door and I walked out I walked right into the support girl that was bring in the weeks supplies, and almost tripping over the bags on the hallway floor. The look in the poor girls eyes was priceless. No idea what to do or say.
She decided it was best to just dash in through the door. However it seemed just rude to walk away leaving the young ladies to haul the load of groceries left in the hall so I picked them up and followed her back in, winking at the girl I had just seen. She tried not to laugh.