Local agency put up their rate structure. Just comparing and contrasting with West Coast/New York. I don't think GFE+ gets you really anything extra. I pay it, though, figure its tip included and keeps me on the good side of the agency.

If you don't get anything extra why have two rate structures. lol. I'm assuming gfe plus is msog or something?

GFE Plus is CIM

I could be mistaken, but I think GFE Plus just gives you CIM as MSOG should be available with the GFE rate.

Those rates are the same as I was paying back when I was active (2015 - 2017) here in NOVA.  I was "in" with three K-agencies and a Thai group.  Had about 40 dates over that time, give or take.  I never asked outright, but based on discussions and reviews it seemed that "plus" got you CIM.  That's something I look for, and so I always opted for a "plus" date.  And, like the OP, I don't mind the extra $40 for the session.  Sortof like a tip, if nothing else.

GFE+ gets you CIM and, if the girl rims, rimming.

GFE plus is sold as MSOG, however I've gotten bbfs at the same price after multiple meetings and showing a recent test.  Can't explode inside the cover and pull out when going bare.

only part of GFE+ in DMV. The plus was always for CIM.

Apart from certain NYC aamps, I feel like rim is always a ymmv thing. Some orgs advertise it but girl is never obligated to do it. At least imo.

I just threw the rest of what a was eating in the waste basket. LOL

Maybe it’s conditionally GFE+? As in don’t expect rimming if you’re not paying the GFE+ rate?  Last time I saw Lynn, GFE+ wasn’t available. I asked her what that meant, she told me no CIM or rimming. YMMV.

Interesting how they have GFE Plus as an option, we do not have something akin to that in the bay. Most of the reputable orgs and girls offer MSOG nowadays, and we are fortunate that is an option.

I almost never paid + rates but it was almost always offered. So, no, you don't need to pay + for rimming but as suggested not every K-Girl will perform it. I think those that don't are actually the exceptions (though also suspect just about all of them are happy when its declined).

At this particular agency, + is most likely CIM.

IMO rim has gotten less common over the years in the bay. I attributed that to a lowered demand and an influx of new mongers.

You mean as in newer girls?

My opinion on rim is that it was always YMMV, but the best girls were always offering it. I'm very selective in the type of women I like and if I find the girl to be good looking, and rim is on the menu on top of that, it's a huge plus. It shows she has a commitment to service for one thing, which is another aspect to being a top girl.

I've been told that Plus gets you CIM and a better experience. I've found it doesn't matter and it is very inconsistent. Rimming hasn't been a plus service as I've gotten it in the past w/o paying extra. Only one time had I felt the experience was better with plus. What I have found in my experience is that K-girls prefer CIM because then they don't have to fuck you.

I'm a little bit confused on what cim has to do with less fucking. I fuck my kgirls thoroughly and then cim once or twice, depending on number of nuts and where I dispose of them.

His point was largely about the older crowd who are going to be one-shot guys. If they CIM they are not up for fucking afterwords. So if that is the case and the woman can get the guy to pop with a BJ before then, fucking generally won't occur.

It sounds somewhat similar to the bay in DC then. From what I have detected, they have less girls and orgs overall in DC. But I have heard of people getting bl'd in the bay for leaving reviews that the org didn't take kindly to, though I'm not sure how common that is nowadays.

But how is cim different than any other type of finish? If you are only one pop, how does it make a difference where you pop? Or is it because people like cim, they will let bbbj to continue until finish? Unclear lol.  

First point -- the comment about K-girls perhaps preferring CIM so they don't have to fuck clearly had nothing to do with your or any of the customers perspective.  

Do LA agencies require references and PII? Because that's what you need for NoVA agencies (there aren't any agencies in DC lol).

Not weighing in on your discussion, but I will point out that Rocket said he got his info from monger(s), not just from Guarddog.

First point, I was just unclear how cim finish as opposed to noncim finish entices girls to fuck less. Im still unclear.  If you finish on the boobs it's still the same pop. I didn't mean any apprehension there at all. I was trying to grasp the logic there and failed

The CIM comment is because if you're a one pop guy, as Jensen noted, its easier for the girl. Just like women don't like guys taking the blue pill. Despite all the fantasy letter reviews of she loved me fucking her and my big dick and licking her pussy, you've got some guy banging away on top of you with a hard as rock pole stabbing at you for 20 minutes straight, hard on her body.  I've also had conversations with a number of women (not providers), that say it sucks having a guy slamming away like that for 20 plus minutes.  If civvie women are bitching about the blue pill or guys who can't cum, imagine if you're doing it 3-5 times a day as part of your job. Yeah, there are some women who like it, but they are also not fucking three to five times a day, either.

The top orgs in LA have an extensive screening process involving work verification, ID verification, and possibly other types of verification.  

I find the K11 network to be the best. Just kidding.

The point about research is you have not way to actually verify the secondhand info. As with reviews, you have a claim made. You need to test if it's accurate/true or not. This is no different than reviews. If you never actually perform a direct observation all you have is an untested hypothesis and your unproven theory. That is not really research to me.

I get a little peeved because its typical in many cities to give a small discount on the two-hour rate versus the one-hour rate.  For some reason, this type incentive rarely shows up on SoCal.  If we book two hours, which I mostly do,  its just double the one-hour rate.  If there were a price incentive like there is with many indie providers, I think more guys here would opt for the 2-hour sessions.  (I know this sounds a little "whiney", but I rarely do it, so cut me a little slack.  Lol)

I miss those discounted 2 hour rates, too.  

Worth noting the k11 way does not work with certain agencies. For example, confirmed by multiple mongers that LSC won't let you in without an ID and paystub, period. No kgirl reference/vouch will get you in.  

Research is merely an act of gathering info. All one needs is at least one fairly trusted source and a good head on the shoulders. The rise of internet means diminished to little need to do legwork. When I get info from monger, I can either trust it or not trust it. I choose to do the former, usually.

Thanks for the response !

Bookers love guys that do 2-hours.  For them, its the same amount of work as a one-hour, but they make twice the money.  One could argue that some bookers may give more attention to guys who book two hours than to guys who tip the girls.  LOL

Agreed. Believe me, I’ve taken advantage of that more than a few times. No secret org VIP membership required.  

Is this true, that bookers get paid by the hours booked rather than by the events booked?  Hmmm. Is it true in other locales than SoCal?

This is absolutely true in both NorCal and SoCal as far as I’ve been able to find out. There may be exceptions. I just don’t know about any.

Pretty sure its the same here.  

I would not lie to you about the Kgirl scene.  The more knowledge you have, the better you will fare in Kgirl-land.   Once in awhile, I book more than two hours, like three or four if I'm celebrating something special, and sometimes I feel like the booker's going to come over and blow me too.  (Just kidding, but they DO love multi-hour bookings!!!).  Lol