It seems that more and more of the new K-girls that have hit the scene go way beyond “enhancements” or even “photoshopping” as far as their pictures go. They are just out and out pictures of someone else. I guess this trend is inevitable but it is very frustrating. Many times the gals are attractive in their own right, but they look nothing like the pictures. And the bookers for the most part aren’t of any help. I have to admit that I have backed off a bit and have let others TOFTT, and then made a decision. Suggestions anyone?

This is what I was trying to communicate here multiple times, but about the biggest response I got was "everyone is doing it" and "there's no harm". Which are bullshit responses,which basically encourage scamming and deception practices.  

I was looking through your reviews. Saw you had the "pleasure" of seeing sexyangels Jane in Feb of 2020.  

Well, we (as a team) could start messaging the PO after the session- that it's a fucked up practice and we won't accept it!

That's why we have the forum and private messaging system to hopefully clear up which pics are fake and which pics are real.

Definitely let the buyer beware out there. I think of the last 5 appointments I’ve had only one looked like her pics. The booker just tells you “that’s the pics they have me”. While the pics are deceiving even worse are the reviews giving some of the  girls 8s or 9’s in looks when they’re nothing close. I know YMMV but fellas, be honest.

What I'd advise to you is stick with an org known for using reputable pics.

...in the image below.

Totally agree!
how many times have i drove to destination to see that the goods were not as  advertised
i was pissed...
and i let the bookers know!

Here's a BETTER idea, how about just avoiding the BAD K-Girl Orgs and patronizing the GOOD ones and letting both the GOOD and the BAD ones know why you are either patronizing them or avoiding them?  

You don't get to see them, so a boycott doesn't affect you.  Boycotts have been tried for various reasons (most often price increases) and they have rarely worked, if at all.  Even when prices hit $3-350 for the top SoCal girls, guys were whining.  But the ones like me who started out in the indie market KNOW how much better service you get with Kgirls and that a $300 Kgirl compares to a $500 indie, so its still a bargain.  One other thing I noticed is that the service actually got better as guys dropped out or tried to boycott the price increases, because the girls could see fewer customers and still make the same money.  They had more energy and the sessions were better.  

Yuna,  Kira, and a few others are using real, if a bit p-shopped, pics. Between those two, I can claim safe harbor from all the fakes.  I mean,  Kira  and I are so tight that  I'm surprised she doesn't keep my dick in the night stand drawer between visits.

You let the booker know. And did that help? What changed after you let the booker know? Did they start up putting up real pictures? Does the booker now let you know each time if you are about to see a girl that her pics are fake? Does the booker stop you and say "hey don't see this girl I'm trying to book for"?

There is no such thing as good orgs and bad orgs. I mean, there are some better and there are some worse.

I like the write a review suggestion. I've been saying this for ages.  

Why share the Intel via pm system instead of reviews and forum?

Are you saying the booker doesn't care about the feedback so nothing changes? Are you trying to say, that won't help so write the review so those who see the review can avoid (I assume that is your position but you just don't say it here).

My go to booker has steered me away from a couple girls in the past due to subpar feedback from other clients. It's rare but it has happened.  Sometimes the same booker also asks me for my feedback if I am one of the first clients for a particular girl.  

The point is simple - I'm asking if complaining to the PO changed anything. If it didn't, then what's the point? Yes, I'm saying the booker does not care or does not have enough power to do any reasonable change.

First off I don't patronize agencies of any kind that lie to me, and number two, just like CannedRavioli I have most definitely had bookers steer me away from girls on which they have gotten "bad feedback" from clients.

Fake glams and YMMV kgirls

Read my response to you. If we consider posting fake pics as lying, every single agency out there has lied to me.  

Letting them know exactly why they lost your business in a PUBLIC review or a post on an active board, will have 100 times more the impact.  

BITOD I'd say I had a 90% success rate in k-girl pics matching the provider. That's dropped to about 30% (in an admittedly small sample size). But given that the other reviews of the inaccurate representations said "photos accurate" I just stopped using that agency. I may try others. Aside from the k-girls the pictures of other ladies I've seen have been 100% accurate.

Sorry, can't corroborate your "all my reviews are winners" statement.

His exact words were "she has a spare tire around her middle". So I'm warning others in the process.

Umm. Of course it’s easy for him to say.  

My brother from another mother, Rocketbro

Supply and demand.  The orgs know the demand is higher so they can do pretty much what they want since dudes are afraid of being blacklisted so no choice.  

I'm pretty sure coconut was not a winner on the other site.

The choice is to report your experience PUBLICLY under a handle that cannot be associated with your monger persona. This way everyone who needs to win wins, and every one who needs to lose, loses.

there are no Kgirls in South Dakota.  They are native American girls trying to pass for tanned Kgirls.  There's no H-Mart, so that means no Kgirls.  Lol

Ms Coconut is the meme kgirl.  Just having some fun...

carry that much weight unless they are part of a trend. If a girl has 20 reviews and 17 are in the 7-9 range and 3 are 6 and below, this is chalked off to the YMMV aspect and that every Kgirl can't be everything to everyone.  Even if one of the 3 says they would never go back because of the fake photos, but the 17 higher reviews say she looks better than the photos she's using, it will have zero effect and the reviewer just wasted his time complaining about the fake photos. If the girl has no photos, telling the booker you are mad about it will not get the real photos up any faster.  The girl has to earn the money to pay for them first.  

But by your own statement the reviews also don't really do anything either -- they just generate offsetting fake reviews not actually seeking better girls, which actually would probably require a) the whole pandemic thing not be a problem and b) paying the girls more. The latter then means either increasing rates or taking a pay cut.  

First, most orgs just use the girls old pics if she has them. Ideally, if orgs cared about their clients' experience, they'd reject them and not employ girls unless they have truer pics.  

It works here fairly well.

I haven't seen a single working girl since March. So please don't make it out to be some recent development.  

She had over a thousand reviews, most of them fake. And yours was one of them.

Huh? Where did I say that reviews don't do anything?

I didn't claim you said the reviews don't do anything.

You've got a point, it makes better sense to post the info publicly so that others are warned and have access to that information

If you just list orgs that use real pics with no or little photoshop, the list would be smaller than a mosquito penis.

I've read "But by your own statement the reviews also don't really do anything either"...I likely misinterpreted this,but I've read it as "you are saying that reviews don't do anything either"  

better when it is clearly not changing any of the agency behavior regarding what they offer and how they represent it? Moreover, given that the reviews are not changing that the reviews are also not really changing the behavior of most, and probably a very large percentage, of their customers; the very mongers you claim are being helped.

...It started in 2016, down from 15 minute breaks which started in 2014.  Use your head - why are they taking only 10-15 minute breaks between clients?  To see only 3 clients a day?  If you have a problem, it's with CDL, not me.

With all due respect Rocket, you are wrong in this:  I've seen it work personally.

I hobby in Vegas on a regular basis with the orgs and I'm pleased to say they're still taking bay references.

Good to know.  

its been tried since the beginning of the kdinosaurs.  the orgs figure the dude out based on the reviews and with the help of the loyal kfanatic dudes who report on the reviewer.  this one dude i knew got ratted on and one of the bookers chewed him out.  only reason he wasn't banned cause he was vip.  hell i tried the alter ego method.  and during a session where i was chilling after she drained me of my love juice she asked if i was such such and such on ter.  i freaked out sweating bullets.  

and one kmonster few years back.  forgot her name but had a gut bulging out like some Alien was gestating in there about to burst.

I have found picture representativeness in Vegas is f’cking shit as well.  

No love lost betwen norcal and socal I see.

There’s something about those storefront girls that’s just super hot...

You said Kgirls were "disease-carrying".  I suppose you will argue now that its not the same thing as "disease-ridden."  Good luck with that argument.

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Just because it may be impossible to change a org's behavior as their practices clearly aren't affecting their income, doesn't mean people can't do their part to alert those, small as they may be, who read reviews. Resigning yourself to fake pictures and disappointment makes no sense. As an aside, although you accused Rocket of poor reading comprehension, you should examine yours as well.

I heard of many instances where people were BL for complaining to the PO. It only works if you're a VIP or the org actually cares about business. In many cases, why would they when there is an almost unending stream of mongers wanting to use their services regardless of the accuracy of the pictures?

If you don't see how letting other mongers PUBLICLY know, however small the community is, is better than not letting anyone know, I'm not sure we need to continue this discussion.

Maybe not where you live, but of course there are good orgs that have a constant lineup of attractive women, or are you going to claim that YOU are right and every K-Girl fan boy is wrong, because the K-Girls have a LOT of fans.  

You refuse to even try to understand my point.

before and after and there most definitely is an impact from the pandemic.  

First, I don't know why you are asking me when I saw the girls. Unlike others on here, I don't lie. I am a binger and often see 3-6 girls in a single night.  I saw plenty of girls up until my work did wfh and the weekend after, sip orders took place. I don't see what that has to do with anything.
You want to see my texts or something? What incentive do I have to lie?  

I can only imagine that TATTT is Too Argumentative To Talk Too.  

I'd say I'm actually a pretty good client. I rarely complain to the booker. I'm nice to the girls. If I walk out, and I did walk out a couple of times over a long career now, I'm not throwing a tantrum VS the booker. I'll just leave a corresponding review and let others know PUBLICLY to avoid X like plague. The less time I spend taking to people who willingly mislead and try to scam others, the better.  

I have been pleased with both of them.

Thanks. Can you pm me links if possible?

My claim was not that sharing bad behaviors is not helpful, only that it is not sufficient to change the way these orgs rocket is all worked up about act. I don't have to resign myself to fake pictures or disappointment as for the most part the agencies I've booked with are pretty good about their pics -- not perfect but the really misleading ones are few and those providers leave quickly.

Yes rocket. Jump for joy that you have one person that thinks you have it right. Too bad he also puts words into my mouth and then wants to knock the straw man down.

Hey, I was just doing a sanity check. Clearly some people are able to comprehend my points as I convey them. So it's not me not communicating properly. The content, we can disagree on and I respect and support your right to do so.

I did not misrepresent anything. The debate was telling the booker about bad quality VS letting others know about bad quality.

A "myth" you say?  Well then, your problem lies with COEUR-DE-LION who perpetuated that "myth":

That that level of volume "cannot be sustained for more than a few days," so what is your point?  Useyrhead's point was that sustaining that volume day in and day out is a myth, and that is consistent with your link to a post of mine.  Do you really think this link contradicts what he is saying?  If you do, you are the dumbest fucking guy on TER.  But I think you just enjoy being the BLPOS here.  It suits you so well.

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I don’t know what “complaining” to a PO would accomplish. But I do know what giving honest feedback can lead to. In both my experience and that of a number of mongering friends with whom I have stayed in contact, feedback is received in a positive way.  

How many times have you yourself walked? Did you leave a public review afterwards? Just wondering.

OK. So you’ve seen “many” mongers complain in threads and nothing has happened. And some have apparently even claimed to have complained to the PO. All of these claims have caused zero change according to your recollection.  

a friend of Youngsten unless you want me to call you a friend of BLPOS.  I have no opinion on which one is worse.  LOL

It was tongue-in-cheek, cdl. Dont take it to heart

Hold on. I believe others experiences. I am a little bit skeptical given your background, and considering you history, in believing you in particular,  
but I'm willing to consider other possibilities.  

Sure, “given my background”. What legitimate evidence do you have from my “background” that I will not tell you the truth? All you have is inference from the fact that I am disagreeing with you.  

I have gotten this kind of service from POs as well. It really does happen relatively often according to other mongers I know. Less often when they’re (the POs) very busy of course. Though I used to get these evening text messages from POs sometimes to give me a heads up. These days I’m mostly seeing girls I know well. So I’ve only had one of those text messages in the past 6 months.

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I don't attack your credibility, at all. I said it's tough for me to trust you, but I will make an effort to hear your side. Just like you, probably.  

I have walked. But it was back in the 2012-2013 time frame, if I recall. Back then I used to see new girls that hadn’t been reviewed because I thought it might be fun. The fun wore off quickly. There’s no way I’m going to be able to remember their names. I’m terrible at remembering names and always have been.

Well see, this was a much better response. I appreciate it. If you were responding like that in the first place, we would have a lot less qualms. I think we're getting somewhere here.  

I pay the same prices everyone else does. I don’t see any girls who aren’t available to everyone. Well, except for the occasional UTR girl when one of my friends comes back in town. That’s very rare these days. But my two favorite UTR girls have retired anyway.

Obscure VIP system used by the orgs.  

VIP mongers are people who get perks and enjoy special connections. They are people who see a lot of girls and enjoy special privileges. They might be invited to gatherings invoked by POs, org affiliates or orgs themselves. They might take out girls on their free time, host them in their house while apartments are finalized, driving them from and to airports and to send wire transfers back to Korea. And lots more.  

So, anyone who has ever had positive experiences interacting with the orgs must, because you believe they are 100% evil, be evil themselves?  The need to demonize those with whom you disagree is not one that is considered a strong indicator of clear thinking or an open mind. It’s actually another fallacy. Please feel free to look it up.  

A blanket statement made on what evidence other than your biased opinion?

you start with some perks from the orgs like 15mins extra time or msog, early access to pics before the girl starts and approval to take the girl out for lunch or shopping etc.   then you become their manbitch like pick up the girl, sign for apts, sign for driver licenses, wire money, ask to be married etc.   its just some evil plan to get you by the balls.

My opinion is biases, sure. So is yours.  

I used to watch a TV show called House. One of the protagonists favorite lines was “everybody lies”.

Now you're twisting my words. I said vip mongers, with some exceptions, tend to engage in things I find repulsive to the monger community. I never said those who like orgs must be evil or even engage in bad behavior.  I talked about those who slowly start working for orgs, and those who start engaging in activitues such as shilling, advertising and fake review writing.  As mongers become vip mongers they start enjoying the power of exclusivity and connections.  
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

You are free to believe that there is some conspiracy that these alleged VIP mongers are in with the orgs. You seem convinced that I am or was a VIP monger because I said I talked to them when problems arose. That sounds like demonizing, dude. Talk to someone who you disagree with and you must be part of the problem? Really?

I did not say you are a vip monger. I have my suspicions, but like you've said, I have no evidence.  

I would never and have never played that game. The guys I knew who did got nothing but too much trouble for it. Though some of them didn’t believe that until they went to jail.

Ever sat in court and tried to argue that fraud exists? It’s tougher than you think. Because you have to prove intent to commit fraud. I once had to do jury duty in a federal fraud case that went on quite a long time. What you seem to think is so simple and cut and dried is anything but.

of the girl, not the org.  I never knew an org that would SCHEDULE extra time for a so-called VIP monger.  If the girl doesn't have a customer scheduled right after you, and SHE chooses to give you extra time, its a gift from HER, not the org.  

Everywhere else one hears that applied you think of a person who the organization would have little influence or control over but really wants to keep that person happy.  

My only bias is to not start out with a bias. I give everybody a chance. Though, yes, I do start out assuming everybody lies. But not any one person more than another.

The first one is, CENZO was hardly the first guy to be disappointed with her and if he had read her reviews BEFORE seeing her he could have saved himself the lackluster session.  

Well I am sure some have been BL for that we don't actually now how that complaint was made so I'll go off my personal experience. I am neither a VIP (in either the odd sense some seem to be using here or the more common sense of the term) at any org current or previous. Never got BLed for a complaint.

and yes it does seem like the Bay Area mongers, with the notable exception of Twoon, seem to be having the biggest problems.  

Bad experience dating kgirls?

Fuck my bad it was not to me. My apologies. Tree view is frustrating.

Bazzaar? Like a middle eastern market?

LOL. Yes, proof of INTENT is exceptionally hard. You don't have to prove intent to be found guilty of fraud tho. Many ponzie scheme companies plead that they did not have any intent to become ponzie schemes. Yet they are still found guilty.

You are mistaken, just because we are more vocal than other mongers, doesnt mean BA is the worst.

I have NEVER, not once ever gone to a K AAMP to find a woman looking anywhere near that bad. Not even close, and I have been doing this most likely since before you were born.

For someone who tells me to READ, you clearly missed my post where I explained Megan is a girl in a coorg aamp, that peddles milfs and gilfs. A Chinese org that charges 160 or an hour. Hell her pic literally said Taiwanese girl.

I text the booker and tell her I am leaving x for her with the girl I am seeing.  Then I tell the girl this extra x is for the booker, I already told her about it so please give it to her for me.

I think it is clear rocket is much like the computers he writes code for and struggles thinking in way other than true/false; 0/1. Or perhaps that is the only way he can discuss things.

The false dilemma/dichotomy fallacy is widely popular in our culture. It’s not even close to being limited to the technical community.  

You are the one who's employing some of these fallacy ridden logic.

You attacking my character is just like when you told me to eat shit and die.
I'm sure that wasn't an ad hominem attack from your side, right ?

That's fair. But- important distinction - how many times did you visit this org prior to that ? Do you expect a newbie to be able to complain to the org ?

Word of mouth is hard to trust. The source is irrelevant.  

Yes, I got the point that you saw Megan willingly even after seeing her pics, but you also claim you saw Lisa and that her looks were no better despite the attractive pics. I would have walked immediately if I had booked with a girl who had pics like Lisa, but someone looking like Megan answered the door.

And you still don't get the Megan thread.  qwerty never said he was "unhappy" with Megan.  To the contrary, he's not as shallow as you are.  He prefers service over looks.  He said: "Im OK with fucking fat or older chicks, as long as service is great. You disagree, great. I'll happily fuck the chick you turn your nose up, if she's a dynamo in the bed. More for me."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/re-sorry-i-would-love-to-play-your-little-game-20683?page=

He is not trying to get you to prove anything. What he was pointing out was that clearly there ARE other interpretations and threshold levels for claiming the "fake" pics are creating a problem.

"Word of mouth is hard to trust. The source is irrelevant. "

Do you really think that reviewing camera footage is the only way? I never had to review camera footage. In every single case I can remember, the monger ended up admitting that they had done something other than just walk away. When someone knows you’re checking into their story the truth starts to come out. And then all you have is a little training opportunity for a fellow monger.  

they get to be the booker's lacky and run errands to they are the elite whose ass the bookers are kissing?

Your explanation is not really satisfactory to me. How did you look into and check their story ? You being a regular monger and all ? I don't see some any proof beyond a reasonable doubt, you wanted me to produce, in your story. So what did they do ? Cuss out the PO ? As they fucking should.

I don't know who is 'we', my definition was the same from day one.  

I think you need to work on your reading skills. I’ve told you enough for you to figure it out. You keep wanting me to spoon feed you answers without thinking things through for yourself.  

What standards are we even talking about ?

I believe this is actually more due to facial recognition technology being utilized by the Feds. I think the Agencies would much rather just photoshop/enhance/whatever some glamour shots of the girl and be done with it, it would be a lot easier for them that way. Instead they have to go out of their way to find pictures of a totally different person that look close enough to the actual girl. Much more difficult. Interested to know others thoughts on this.

Easy solution- blur the face but keep the body. As is, most org pics have bodies that are PSd too, and most of the time are not representative of real bodies.

Well, snce you say not to trust anyone, I simply find your experience hard to trust. Again, you are not describing clearly how did you chase down and make the mongers admit they were lying. You are withholding information here, something btw that I never do. Again, you made a decision to trust someone else there, be it an org worker, a girl or the PO. Which goes against your mantra. You did not produce any proof beyond reasonable doubt here. Sorry.  

So, given your problem description there is a monger training opportunity. Since, by your own admission they only know how to go by pics in order to choose a girl. But you think we’re better off focusing on the orgs as the source of the problem. Even though several of the more senior mongers on here are saying the pictures aren’t really an issue.

Predictably, you still did not answer

"They might take out girls on their free time, host them in their house while apartments are finalized, driving them from and to airports and to send wire transfers back to Korea. And lots more. "

As vip mongers build their connections to orgs, this often happens. I'm not sure what you want me to say here.

seen as many Kgirls as you should not be STILL having as many disappointing sessions as you claim to have.  You want us to believe you are looking out for Newbies, but why should they trust you when you can't even look out for yourself?  Are you one of those "do as I say, but not as I do guys?"  Why do you seem to have so much trouble navigating the Kgirl scene?  Have you not learned to identify red flags that would make a girl a pass for you?   The only MAJOR mistake you have copped to so far is that you don't have a network of hobby bro's to exchange info with  about newer girls.  This is a mistake that is easily rectified, but you seem to eschew the best source of info there is, which is trusted hobby brothers.  You seem hell-bent on making this hobby much harder on yourself than it needs to be.  Do you enjoy the role of the martyr, or what?

I don't have any issues navigating kgirls scene. I know what I like, and I know who to see and who not to see. I still see some girls who I know have a good chance of not meeting my standards, I already explained multiple times to you. Yet you still think I'm generally dissatisfied. This isn't the truth. If I was, I would quit the hobby. All I want is spread more awareness and maybe hopefully, contribute to making hobby less about lies, and more about truths.  

You say over and over and over again that you’re here to help mongers. But so far you’ve offered very little. Though I’m sure we all appreciate the little you have offered. No complaints there.

Re: happy/disappointed. I suspect the main reason everyone here seems to think you are generally disappointed is in part from your myopic focus on the bad in all these discussions. However, perhaps a larger reason is that you yourself posted a spreadsheet showing your assessment of your sessions (or the past 100 or so). You very clearly listed about 2/3s as disappointing to you.  

Braggadacio? Lol.

2/3???? Jensen, I don't want to accuse you of lying, So I will just assume you forgot. The ratio was 30 out of 100 sessions. Which is not a bad ratio for me, actually. If I were to list amp storefronts, ratio would be lower most likely. A lot lower. Hence why I see kgirls. They are by far have the best service success for me.  

We can't prove a negative.  YOU are the one making the claim about corrupt orgs writing fake reviews.  You have identified less than a dozen out of about 35,000 Kgirl reviews on TER.  The ones for SoCal were for an agency that is already known to be disreputable, even by local Newbies.  That doesn't seem to be the big scandal that you make it out to be.  You have no new ones in several months since you pat up a handful the last time. You are a modern-day Don Quixote.  

and you are HAPPY only 2/3 of the time.  I'm sure his mistake was inadvertent.  None of us are used to seeing a disappointment rate that high.  That still doesn't say much about your research ability. If I was having ONE-THIRD disappointing sessions, I would go to the dart board method of selection, because I would have to face the fact that I don't have a clue what I'm doing when it comes to matching my own tastes with suitable Kgirls that fill the bill.  When you first got here I already told you how I keep my "disappointments" at 5% or below pretty consistently  That means THREE bad sessions out of 60, whereas you are having 20 bad sessions out of 60.  What's wrong with this picture?  For a guy that talks the kind of game you do, you should be having much better results than this, even being relatively new to TER.  

Well I am not spending more time looking for a random post from months ago. However, the 30 out of 100 was your repeats. When one looked at the stats in your spreadsheet it was clear that you rates about 2/3 of your 70 sessions as disappointing.  

The orgs did make many fake reviews on another site. There have been shill reviews on here. Your favorite vegas org, CLL is engaging in shill wars right now and had reviews published on here, which were since then deleted. My mission is not to talk about shit only in context of TER. I talk within content of the other forum, sites and different org advertisements.

No, that isn't clear. Repeats count too. It was 30 out of 100 sessions. Even if you do 30 out of 70, 30 disappointments out of 70 isn't 2/3 by any stretch of imagination, or maybe you're just terrible at math.

I already told you I dont need classes on how to improve my success rates. I many times visit girls I know I probably won't be satisfied with, and they prove me true. Most of my TOFTTs were not good for service purposes either. I'm looking for very specific things (old PSE) and most of new girls don't do it well.

But this was the same assessment I gave when you provided the link for me, and others, to look at. You didn't dispute anything at that time.

What didn't I dispute ? I put up a graph how many times Ive been misled, but I noted many times that I dont care about looks. I told you that from day one.

dissatisfaction rate of any monger I know, including the Newbies I know, so perhaps you should CONSIDER that using some of the techniques I have suggested to you might improve your success rate.  You're like the guy who keeps backing over the spike strip and wondering why his tires keep going flat.  If you make the same mistakes from doing the some things, and the results are unacceptable, now much longer would a normal person keep doing it that way.  I'm not here to only help Newbies, I'm okay with trying to help everyone, and that includes you.  Likewise, if you post something that works for you and I think it would improve my own satisfaction rate, I would not hesitate to adopt yours or anyone else's suggestions in that regard.  There's no shame in admitting you need help, and as long as your numbers are like this, i.e., 20 disappointments out of 60, you clearly need to do SOMETHING different.

I dont need help; I know all the girls in the area who are good in things I like (old pse), I even know girls in your area and vegas who are good in things I like. I very rarely misjudge a girl if I dont pencil her in my TDL, judging from feedback and reviews. Meaning, I rarely miss a service girl. It happens, but not very often.

We also don't need YOU screaming and stamping your feet here either.

The above is excellent advice. We can only hope that he truly is sufficiently a monger advocate to actually follow it.

I did't know you are a representative of a collective voice of ter kgirl forum now.

but once again you are starting from a flawed premise as far as I am concerned, and I think MANY will agree

as you claim, then you should also know they are not a match for you, but apparently, you are seeing them anyway.  Why pick a girl that you KNOW is going to be a disappointment?  Or is your boast of KNOWING these girls a little hollow?  Perhaps you only heard of them and don't really know them?  

Going by your own numbers you are dissatisfied with the girls performance over 40% of the time. If I had such bad luck I'd be asking for advice, not giving it.

It seems like you and Gag have issues figuring this out.

None of this crap applies to the K AAMPs which is primarily what this board is about and what almost all the K-Girl reviews are about. K-Girl AAMPs are apples, Storefront AMP's are glue, there is simply no comparing the two. Not to mention trying to criticize K-Girl AAMP mongers using C-org AMP standards serves no one and is completely USELESS information.

???? I didn't compare the two.

Yes, I thought we were getting somewhere too, but you REALLY need to be more clear in what you say.  

The spreadsheet is kgirl aamp only. The 40% is out of non-repeats. What can I say, many girls aren't energizer bunnies who provide old pse service.  

I can't help it that you blur the lines so badly that NOBODY really knows what you are trying to say. It's not a "weird ass" reason, it's your own words that I am focusing on.

Literally the only thing I said is that one reason to prefer amps over aamps is that you can walk in anytime you want. I get riled up easily, but jeez... so do you, my dude.

"But, many people who clamor the vip status will be offered some discounts for doing X."

It’s getting harder and harder to give this guy the benefit of the doubt. No sane person would believe all the stuff he claims to believe and also continually misread plain English in just the right way to confirm his own bias.  

It's my inference, based on interaction with many of such mongers, on many different message boards and channels. I mean, cdl himself had a long post on how orgs approach vip mongers with different offers. He declined his offer of course.  

By the way, this was a thread about a disappointing trend, and the op was made by a guy is in socal, and who has 150 reviews, primarily in socal.

I have been accused of being all kinds of TER members, even YOU, once.  I just tell them to keep guessing, they are wasting their time.  However, never underestimate the power of the Kgirl network.  I have walked into an incall with a new girl, and been told that (another Kgirl) told her about me, but not as CDL.  They don't now me as that. I have also had other guys tell me that Kgirls often think THEY are CDL.  One guy recently lost his Kgirlfriend over it.  She thought he was CDL and seeing to or three girls a week instead of her because of my review history.  All I could do was give him my condolences.  CDL is who he is.  Lol

It's hard for me to do, as I imagine this forum is low on their list of concerns.

I think it's possible, not maybe over the forum, but over some reviews or maybe some info you shared.

I agree, I just think it's laughable to think a k-girl is going to remember or care about "CDL" or any other username 🤣

The top girls in LA have become very savvy in managing their brands.  They read their reviews and they read this forum to see what, if anything, is said about them.  They do the same with  other forums that focus on SoCal Kgirls.  I used to think like you, but five years ago, I got a PM on TER from a Kgirl.   She didn't know whether or not I had seen her professionally, because CDL is completely anonymous, but she asked for my help with something that I referred to in one of my posts on this board.  She told other girls that I helped her and I have had many others contact me with questions without any  of them knowing who I am as a customer.  

This happens when you are a customer as well.

I didn't realize reviews were so helpful to providers and mongers! All the more reason to post them rather than trading information solely by PM. As you mentioned, girls may be more willing to change their practices than orgs.

With the exception of a few, it appears as though touring girls aren't likely to care about the forum.

Yep.  

Given that a lot of the touring girls here come from LA (or used to be based there and relocated for various reasons) I suspect they do still care. It seems to be the case that those who don't get reviews or get a bit panned go pretty quickly.

It seems to me that the girls I see now are a good bit more savvy about this stuff (reviews and forum comments) than they were back in say, 2015 and before.  

Probably against better judgement to reply but....

I thought you didn't want to beat the horse further, but I'll happily oblige to continue to defend my points

Since I know you have a tendency to miss these things, he didn’t say it never happened. He just said the “lie constantly” bit wasn’t true.

What else would YOU call her besides the kind of provider you prefer?   Bwahahahaha

Mocking someone's sexual preferences on a fuckboard?  Very welcoming indeed.  Why don't you tell qwerty how you really feel about him going through with the appointment with Megan, chickenshit?

no context, so that's why you're too chicken-shit to add the link.  How ironic you call others chickenshit. I think just about everyone here is onto you now.  How many hours a day do you spend trying to find posts from the past of  mine that you can take out of context?  I'm guessing this was one of my humorous sarcasm posts, but I don't remember it, and again, you don't provide the link so we can see the context.  Just how fucking desperate are you?  How many years now  have I lived rent-free in your head?  I guess you just like being made of fool of, and that's why are will always be BLPOS.  

at you, it was to my old buddy, Dance.  No worries.  Try to stay in tree mode unless the thread is running off the right side of the page.   Then you have no choice but to go flat.

...as you almost ALWAYS do, you justify it by saying you're waiting for me to call you on it so that you can then post the link and "ram it up my fat ass" to quote you (Do you need a link for that quote too?).

There is info that should not be posted and should only be discussed privately by PM.  After you have been in the Kgirl scene for awhile you will get a sense of what is appropriate to post and what will cause problems for the girl and potentially for you.

There is info that should not be posted and should only be discussed privately by PM.  After you have been in the Kgirl scene for awhile you will get a sense of what is appropriate to post and what will cause problems for the girl and potentially for you.

In addition to the acknowledged-by-pretty-much-everyone fact that there are a lot of reviews out there that don’t really provide much useful info. And even more that just don’t provide enough. So, unless the girl has a significant number of well written reviews you’re back to needing to rely on private messages.

Sure. And evaluation of a girl is surely NOT one of those things that should only be discussed privately.

Fine, how about "lie often".
There are more compeltely fake pics than there are true pics.

As TER's resident linesman, I think I will set the over under on whether this thread "runs off the right side of the page" at -150 Yes with a comeback of +130 No.  

Seems like there are several that might be present.
1) Fake Pics
2) Misinterpretations/Mischaracterizations
3) Taking a specific, unique example and generalizing into completely different situations

I could’ve sworn that the rules used to read that you couldn’t put info that belonged in a review in a forum post.

Are you talking about mini-reviws versus the actual review?

I’ve had a couple of posts not get approved because the content apparently “belongs in a review”. But that was a while ago.  

A good rule of thumb is probably would I put this in the juicy details? If so, it really belongs in a review, not the public discussion area.

Sure. I do agree with you here. Pm is useful sometimes.

That would explain it. Thanks!

Well, let's see. You refuse to admit that orgs lie often and use completely fake pics, even though many people, including op, are complaining about that. Literally. How many threads have been made about worse practices and worse product and misleading pictures over the last few months? Most of them not by me.  

No argument there.

After TER went dark in the spring of 2018.  Many girls who were oblivious to the fact that reviews are what drive customers to see the girls (the bookers were already well aware of this for years) and only paid attention to theirs and their competition's ads on CV,  started following their reviews on USA and EM.  When TER came back and reviews started up again here, many more got serious about managing their brand.  5 years ago, it was rare for me to have a new girl come right out and ASK me for a review after a session, but now its happening more often.  I have to believe they are doing the same thing with other customers that they are confident had a good time.  (They also seem to know if you didn't have a good time, so they won't mention a review in those cases. - Lol)  So I think its safe to say that disappearance and then re-emergence of TER is what caused reviews to start getting their attention.  

Still pushing the lies I see weasel.

This is a great reply. If you don’t mind too much, I do have a question, though.

So now you're calling me a weasel? I used the term "weasel out" and now you keep calling me a weasel lol. Whatever. You like name calling it seems.
 

You will see that you apologized to me and admitted I was correct in my usage of the term, "Ghetto" after I provided the Webster's dictionary link.  They you lamely tried to spin it into another attack because you failed so miserably on calling me out on my post.  

I can't recall ANYBODY accusing BLPOS of being smart lately, or ever for that matter. lol

is Jewish and so is my current attorney of 10+ years.  You know nothing about my history or what I have posted in the past about myself, so you just keep making yourself look even more stupid just like GaG is predicting.  I think its only going to get worse for you and you will become a pariah here just like the fat fuck you are brown-nosing.  

quote from Nick, not me.  You have been here long enough to know that Nick and I are the same person. Or is this your new desperation, i.e., to try to attribute quotes from me that were said by someone else because you have run out of out-of-context quotes from me.  If that's the case, just start repeating the ones you have already used.  You will be the only one that doesn't recognized them from the last time you used them.  It will all seem new to you.  Bwahahahaha