I'm starting this thread so we can consolidate the conspiracy theories, none of which we seen an example of yet, on one thread, so we don't keep clogging up every thread with the same discussion.  This way, those that want to keep abreast of the latest developments can go to one place and  come here, and those that don't care can skip this thread entirely without worrying about it spilling over onto all the other topics on this board like it has been doing lately.

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https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/detail/cathy-review-by-jay9891-2209588

I just do not get the defensive reactions to rocketqwerty by cordelion, gambler, jenson et al.  What he does is good for all of us.  Also, this is primarily a bay area problem and does not appear to be meaningfully prevalent in SoCal and  cordelion, jenson, gambler et al seem to be more Socal oriented.  Please lets direct our energies to what garbage maybe coming in from the outside rather waste our energies writing 20 minute posts of inconsequential debate to each other.

I think the observation that this seems to be a BA problem that is not such a big deal elsewhere is where some of the push comes from. He came across as if we have a big problem that he is now here to help with. When people tell me they are here to help me even when I'm saying I don't really need help...well, my first reaction to to start looking for the hidden agenda or worrying about the do-gooder that is here to save me from myself even if they have to kill me to do that.

First off, I actually supported Rocket's "mongers first" mentality, and I said so on many occasions AND I am not even in California at all, much less So Cal. I was however born and raised in the Bay Area,  

I was called out multiple times and called a bunch of names and was "challenged" to post one fake review.

I never started dictating anything. Again, anyone can act as they want to act on this board. I'm not preventing anything.

I've provided my reasoning as to why those 2 first reviews are fake. In case of indoorsport, I've provided multiple pieces of evidence.

This was much better.

Crap, didn't post the first draft and then timed out so lost. Will summarize.

me a space to respond directly to Rocket Man.  

SoCal agency that we have all known for months was a disreputable  org.   This is why you should have listened to GaG's advice not to come here and tell us how we are doing everything wrong. It only results in making yourself look stupid, with no help from anyone else.  Most of the guys that have been  here awhile from SoCal already know to avoid this place, but if you want to spend a lot of time on them, go ahead.  I'm sure the rest of the BA guys that seldom monger in SoCal very often will appreciate your efforts.  However, if they have solid BA refs, they can get into the better places.  They don't have to bottom-feed at this place.

You are more than achieving your goal of not making any friends here.  I will tell you from my 11.5 years experience on TER that the "friendships" you eschew have saved me thousands of dollars in money I would have spent on girls  I would not have liked.  Likewise, the friends I have made here have given me a heads-up on hundreds of occasions about which girls should be on my TDL, which included many girls that went on to become legends.  You previously said you have a lot of disappointing sessions compared to me.   Maybe the difference is I actually cultivate monger friendships in order exchange intel about the girls.  If you were as smart as you think you are, you would know that intel from trusted hobby brothers is the most value resource there is in vetting potential Kgirls to see.

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You said you didn't know about ANY fake reviews, when all of those were under your nose in socal.

There is almost as much disparity in how review scoring is approached  as there are Kgirl mongers, and this seems to be at the root of why some here think there is way more shilling and promotion going on than what there really is.  I have already explained my own numbers . . . .

LOL

you have not answered the "accusation" that MAJOR established SoCal orgs have NOT done ANY of the things you are claiming.  You're the guy that got a few bad meals at one or two places and then tells everyone to stay away from ALL restaurants, because they are ALL serving bad food, when in fact, you have no experience outside the BA.  This just makes you look dumb when many of us are having consistently great Kgirl experiences two or three times a week in SoCal, with not a single hint of the major orgs we all patronize doing anything you are suggesting they do.  

You really have reading comprehension problems, bud.

put up a link that works.  If you want guys to check them out, it should just be clickable.  Maybe you didn't do it on purpose, hoping I would not bother to check them, and find the flaws in your claim?  

LMAO. You want a review signed by the booker to have full proof it was done by org ? Maybe you want his/her name on the review too saying that an org wrote it? How else is one supposed to prove that they were written by an org ?

Mr golf-with-booker, you can't do a copy and paste? Wow. Stooping to new lows with every post.

Thanks for the far more balanced response than CDL. BTW, do you agree that the goalpost moving of "show me one fake review" to "show me one fake review from a major socal org" is pretty disingenuous ? I never even spoke about socal orgs. I'm from the bay. Lol. And btw, the guy claims he cant open some of my links, maybe you can show him how. Lol.

...have to copy and paste the link when it's a lot easier for you to remove the 's'.  If you want to convince us you're right, you have to make it easy for us to get to the info you want us to see.

If I could edit my post, I would. How do I edit my post ? I don't even get to preview my post before I send it and it spends a bunch of time in moderation queue.

I'm loving TER.  I'm not loving the arguing.  Not my battle.  For the record, Tiana is perhaps the sexiest kgirl in Nor Cal Wonderland.  Me and Rocketbro and cool.  He says I'm far too generous in my scores but he knows I'm pro-monger and mean well.

One thing about the 1 - 10 scoring on TER that I think everyone know but I don't recall anyone suggesting is occurring.

Once the post is active you cannot edit. However, if you go to My TER, expand More and select My Posts (or the obvious link for that) if the post is not active you can open the post and in the Actions menu edit is available.

I'm not sure that is a good conversation to get into but will try to steer things out of the collision space.

Or at least it was when I asked it. lol

LMAO is a cover for those that knew they have been called out and are losing the argument.  Saying I'm dipping lower and lower is projection of your own insecurities over being exposed here as a fraud.  You're the one scrambling to try to cover your tracks.  The audience here is much more sophisticated, so the shit you spouted on the other board you came from may have had some traction there, but the guys and gal(s) here are too smart.  

I started this thread to be the battlefield and distinctly said those that aren't interested in how this plays out can just skip this thread entirely.  Unless Rocket can back up his claims pretty soon, I will probably start skipping it as well Lol

Why do I need to go to newbie board? I can do that, but this is pretty specific to kgirl agencies.

Why the newbie board? Well unless you are changing your goals from helping newbies to helping newbies only interested in K-girls that's not a bad place to be.

I gave you four fake org reviews when you asked for one incidence. What other claims do I need to back up? Lol.

So basically, if there is no signature of the org, I won't be able to prove to you these are fake reviews?

Fair enough, can you tell me why now I have to find evidence in MAJOR So Cal orgs? Why is it limited to major orgs? Newbies start from low tier orgs. Why is it limited to so Cal? Majority of fake reviews on other sites were in bay area. Why can't it be a minor bay area org? This makes no sense to me, at all.  

I haven't met a non-asian provider in ages (mostly due to the fact I don't give out my private info or pic to anyone). I don't know the dynamics and etiquette of independent providers and their reviews ,so who am I to teach about that? All I know its pretty shitty to laugh or look down at newbies, and almost nowhere but the monger board among my hobbies, that I check online, people do that. In all other places they are encouraged.  

It's not hard, just click on your own post, on the lower left part of your post you will see a tab called "actions" Clicking on it will give you a drop down menu, the third option is "edit message" as long as you do it within the first four hours. After that you will be locked out and only Admin can edit or delete your post.

EVERYONE says their ATF deserve the 10s. lol The truth is all of you guys are SOOOOO wrong. It's MY ATF that deserves the 10 and no other hold a candle to her!

Ha ha

I told you to go to the newbie board when you brought your crap to the GD board. Here is the proof

Sorry, what exact bullshit you're referring to?
I've only read the post you linked right now. That thread was laughing at newbies. I dont like when people laugh at newbies when they get hustled, that much is true.  

reviews has a bad reputation for fake photos and bait and switch that predates your arrival here by at least five months, I don't think you have PROVEN they are fake.  Your justification is punctuation and capitalization.  I already explained to you that there are a few other reasons why those are common occurrences in legit reviews on TER, but you want to stick to your false, unproven narrative with these scant four reviews because its all you've got.  

...Click the green "Actions'' tab under your post.  The dropdown menu should say: 'Reply', 'Quote, 'Edit Message', 'Report this post'.  If you don't see "Edit Message" then your post has been up for more than 4 hours and you can't edit it.  Click "Edit Message" and...edit your message.  Then post it again.  It will go into the moderation queue again.

duplicitous it is for you to make a big deal about shilling, promotion, and fake reviews, but when it comes to the girl YOU want to promote, you are here asking what lie you have to give to TERSupport in order to get her score higher than she qualifies for under TER rules.  

So how do I prove that a review is fake if you don't consider obvious fake reviews fake?

I'm not promoting anyone. All I wanted is to give one of my few atfs a grade I felt she deserves as a top performer. I agree it looks ironic, but I'm not an org rep or even a shill. She isn't a friend, I receive zero favors from the org, and I don't talk to her outside the deeds. I describe her pretty fairly in review so that newbies know exactly what they're getting.  

I have read maybe 20% of this thread (because there is so much there) but it seems like the question is " are the reviews highlighted by rocketqwerty fake" .    So I spent a minute looking at the 2 Ivy reviews ( and it only took a minute)  and I have no doubt in my mind that they are fake.  They are cleverly done.  

Sean

The bad review. I did address your response elsewhere. That response was that I'm bit surprised that you seem to thing calling a review bad and misleading when the review describes the girl as DDG but gives a 6 in looks "a tough call" but agreed you end up at the same conclusion: it's a bad, unfair and misleading review.

PLEASE don't clutter up the Newbie board with issues unique to the K-Girl world.  

to eschew intel from other mongers who I have found are willing to exchange info with fellow hobby buds, then you are choosing to guarantee you will continue to have a high percentage of disappointing sessions. Oftentimes, great service is not just about the sex menu.  Appearance is half of the review score.  TER averages them together to get the total score for a girl.  We all have preferences as to looks, body type and session style, and  many reviewers (including fake ones) are bereft of details when it comes to the points that matter to other mongers.  

a signed review, that was the standard that YOU espoused.  YOU said it is impossible to PROVE a review is fake unless its signed by the  booker/org, and yet, you are not meeting your own standard, but still insist they are fake.  I'm just saying that the legal standard to accuse someone of egregious wrongdoing like you are doing is "beyond a reasonable doubt."  You are not even getting to a "likelihood" that this has happened.  As long as its ALSO possible that someone other than an org or an employee of the org wrote the review, you have not "proven" that it was written by the org.  So you are guessing, or speculating, and its reckless to slander another monger OR an org WITHOUT the proof.  You don't have it.  One way to do it is to eliminate the other "suspects."  Then that ONLY leaves the reasonable inference that the orgs are the perpetrators, but you haven't even done that.  

So again, if TER removes these reviews, will you agree that they are fake? I asked you a bunch of times.

that they read like fakes, and I have seen hundreds, if not thousands, on TER just like these that were written by mongers scamming the system for free VIP days.  The question that HASN'T been answered is Rocketman's assertion that these were written by an org.  Until you can make that connection, then YES, they are fakes, but who wrote them?  Lack of SPECIFIC details are more likely to be VIP-scammers than orgs.  Orgs would know more about the girls and would put in more detail about her looks and service than are shown here, similar to the first example, which is from the BA.

I'm not sure the one and done reviews and accounts can be lumped in with the fake reviews for free VIP crap. Not saying it never happens but suspect that pattern fits a different narrative better.

I have PM'ed  reviewers that wrote a review like these with scant details to ask them some specific questions about the girl and/or the session, and I ended up getting crickets, even after repeating my request several days later.  Sure, there are some assholes here who never reply to PM's, but in my experience, legit reviewers are very good about responding, so based on my OWN experience with a large body of anecdotal data, these are exactly the kinds of reviews that fake reviewers use to scam free VIP days.  

You said this . . . .

If you think I view any glowing or positive review as a fake review written by orgs, you need your head examined, and probably enroll in a remedial reading comprehension class.  

So you agree that fake reviews happen on TER, and that they shouldn't exist. Cool.

Why are you surprised it's a tough call for me? There is little evidence that the discrepancy was done on purpose. Unlike the reviews I presented, the reviewer's other reviews semeed on point. If he had another review like that, it would be much less of a tough call to make. I have hundreds of reviews pegged as maybe written by org shills, but I won't post them because there's little evidence. And I want to produce zero or close to zero false positives.

I don't sanction ANY fake reviews, no matter who writes them.  I also said there have been guys writing fake reviews here for years to scam the system for free VIP days.  Why do you keep forgetting where we have already had agreements?  No point in arguing them over again.  I never said there were NO fake reviews on TER, so you're trying to put words in my mouth.  The only guys that do that here are the ones the think they are losing the argument, but I'm glad you recognize your tenuous position.  If the only way you can perpetuation your position to keep regurgitating a false narrative, then you have already lost.  The members here are much more intelligent than the site you came from and its insulting to their intelligence to try to tell them I said something other than what I said.  They can all read and comprehend what's going on here.  

Previously, you were only talking about monger shill reviews. Maybe I missed the monger who wants the VIP part. I don't remember missing it, but if I did, my apologies.  

and I will agree to a certain point that some reviewer's writing style and grammar can be used to verify their reviews.  I can usually spot reviews written with an alias as the same style as a regular handle.  Lets say, arguendo, that these four examples WERE all written by the same guy.  The girls are from the same org, which is already disreputable because of fake photos and bait and switch, so how does knowing a four or five line review is also fake further protect a Newbie from making a mistake.  When this org first appeared, there were a few guys that PM'd me and asked me if I had yet seen some of the named girls there.  I told them I had not gone because of reports of fake photos and B & S.  This is an example of why its more important to have a network of fellow hobbyists that you can exchange intel with.  I prevented these guys from getting burned and I had not even seen the girls, but I knew my intel about the problems there were from unimpeachable sources . . . . guys I have known for years who are adventurous when it comes to TOFTT.  

I just don't think that this is a problem in LA. I can't speak for other areas.  

Easy to spot for you, or for noobs? That's a pretty important distinction. It's exceptionally easy for me to spot fake reviews, but I also dumped more time into researching it and hobvtinf than many people dump in their jobs. What about someone who only seen one kgirl in their life and only read 10 reviews? Those guys start from the bottom tier orgs.  

at least 7 years that I'm aware of, since that's when I started using her.  She is the toughest booker to pass screening on, but often has some of the top girls in SoCal.  I used her a lot up until about two years ago when she started getting a higher percentage of BBFS girls on her roster.  I only did $11,000 with her group last year.  At the height of my business with her, I was spending $40,000+ annually just with her group.  She was in first place for getting my money then.  Last year, she was 4th.  

Networking is important for a newbie, sure, I don't disagree.  

The point was that writing one fake review for VIP and then never writing another review or post to a board doesn't really fit the mold for gaming the system for free VIP. Maybe there were some out there that new either they would never have the ability to play or know they were going to die in 2 weeks so 15 days solved all they problems.

I don't even remember a PM from you.  However I do get a fair number of PM's from stalkers OF KGIRLS asking me if I know where so-and-so is, or if I have her phone number, etc., so if you sounded like a stalker to me, and are asking me out of the blue to help you find a particular girl, then yeah, you may not get a response, and I might even tell you to GFY, but honestly, I don't remember if this was the case or not.  I get about 8-10 PM's a day on average.  Can't remember them all.  I also don't usually respond to alias' that I do not know from this board.  if someone wants intel from me, they should use their "real fake name", not their "fake fake name."  I will also not respond to guys with no reviews that I don't know from the boards.  Because I have a high profile here, I get a lot of inquiries from undercover LE.  They are easy to spot from the kinds of questions they ask. Finally, I don't waste my time with guys who are rude on the boards, or rude or demanding in their PM's.  So unless you fit one of these exceptions, I don't think I would have failed to respond.  

I don't know how orgs in LA work, but in the bay we have a few that essentially don't screen at all. This is how anyone who doesn't want to disclose info gets started, pretty much. Then you use those references to get into next tier, and so on. Work in a few corgs and you're golden.  

in LA in the past 10 years have been at the same org.  They do the worst job of screening, but are very popular with younger mongers because they were also the first BBFS house.  LE tends to target PSE places because they consider it a public health risk, so they can justify additional police resources to try to close them down.  Advertising BBFS and then having shitty screening is a recipe for trouble.  

For Vegas, hobbyshop aka vac used to accept p411. I think they still do. Which, if you know enough, can be worked around. Or at least you could work around before. Not sure if now they check your social media. Before they just called your "work" and asked. So with enough imagination you could see how it could be worked around.  

might not view your multiple numbers in the same light you view their pic.

I’ve found that, within the kgirl community, having one or two well known girls vouch for you is all you need.  
When I contact a new k-org that requests info for screening, I just give them the name of one or two very well known girls who know me well (multiple 2 hour sessions). Then I let them know that I’ll check back with them (the new k-org) after they’ve had a chance to check out my “references”.
This has worked for me without fail for quite a few years. I’ve used those Bay Area references in LA and LV. As with so many things, it really does just boil down to who you know. I’ve used those Bay Area references in LA and LV. As with so many things, it really does just boil down to who you know.
I realize that this might not help out a guy who is just getting started, though.

I'm not against agencies implementing stricter screening, if needed. I'm all for girl safety.  

Once upon a time getting screened as a new K-Girl client was harder than getting into a choice Country Club. Of course back then no one EVER got busted either as the K-Girl scene was a closed loop. I was only able to get in because of being a TER Mod with another TER mod and very well known K-Girl monger vouched for me. Using fake names, numbers etc just didn't happen not all that long ago, or at least they didn't happen in So Cal.

Interesting. I can tell my story. I got into agency Asians a decade ago. Back then it was kind of a wild wild west situation with new orgs popping up and disappearing weekly it seemed. Not many screened for real. I got in easy with just name age race. Was fun and back then there were a lot more short stay girls. At some point, I then disappeared from the scene for a couple of years or so dealing with a new job and new relationship, and came back two years later to orgs wanting to do screening in form of some identity verification.  

And this is why I always exchange phone numbers with touring girls.  When they are in SoCal and I see them, I tell them I travel a lot and it would be great to see them when I'm in another city where they happen to be working.  When I'm in another city where I'm not approved at the local orgs, I will browse the ads to find a touring girl I know.  Then I will text them and tell them I'm in town and want to see them, but I'm not approved with the booker, and could she give the booker my phone number and tell him I'm okay when I text.  It has NEVER failed to work.  Once I see the girl I know, the rest of the week, I can sample the other girls from that same booker.  If I see three or four girls the week that I'm there, the booker will keep me in their system for when I return.  I have gotten into cities all over the country this way without ever having to provide an ID or reference. Having a Kgirl vouch for you is the best way to get in, but you have to have the foresight to exchange phone numbers when they are touring to YOUR city. Most touring girls have no problem with doing this (with the gentlemen, not the assholes - Lol).  

There were literally hundreds of Quality Korean Girls, along with a few Thai, Chinese and Viet girls working at dozens of different AMPs back then. There was one hotspot out by the airport in the city of Jonesboro, It was so convenient that if I got the airport early or my plane was delayed I'd just hop in a cab for a quickie. lol

Hmm, whenever I go to Atlanta it feels like I'd be ordering sushi in a hamburger place if I were to look for asians, lol.

Here, I think I can pick up a rock and throw in a random direction and hit an AMP. Problem is none of the girls are young. The AAMPs with indie girls might is younger on average and sometimes will be young and cute but it's too much YMMV and up selling/negotiation for me. Even when FS is certain, so older less attractive, it's not really that good.

The way to handle all the YMMV in AMPs up until about 2 years ago was to just use the place to find girls who might be open to more. It was amazing how many handjob only girls were wiling to go for DATY (providing, of course that you are willing to give them DATY, which depends on a number of things).
If DATY was really good the relationship with the girl would dramatically shift. And the two of you could decide from there where to go next.
This is how I met all of the girls that eventually went UTR with me. This relationship takes shape in multiple ways. It might turn into a sugar relationship. Or she might just want to remain a very low volume pro with a small group of guys she can hook up with at whatever frequency she is comfortable with.
I’m sure there are other options. But these are the only two I’ve experienced.  
With the dramatic change in the AMP world that have occurred, I think a significant number of the girls who fall into either of the above categories are probably sugaring these days.