Some tips for the TER search engine:
Location is probably the best, at least for the bay girls. If most girls use the same #, you can use the most famous girl (ie, Gigi but its a bad example because she actually uses a different number than most others in the org) copy and paste her number in search. All girls who use this number will be shown. Since there are nowhere the number of reviews on here as it was on the uh, neurotic donkey, they should be fairly easy to sift through. However, if name is very common, you can filter by asian nationality and location in the advanced search. Some girls who migrate through LA Vegas and Bay only have one TER profile, so you need to know their rebrand history to write a review. TER allows you to write a review for the same girl who was in another location and under different name, I'm pretty sure. As far as bunnygirls, Kira is recommended for aggressive DT service. I hear Laia is great for service as well. Wanted to find out about Jean, but none of the mongers on here replied back about her, lol. Not even senor spoon, who likes the org.I can’t find any reviews for this org. But I am new to using the TER search engine. Am I missing some TER search engine trick? Or do these girls just not have reviews yet?
If the latter, that seems odd to me. What am I missing?
Go to search. Input San Mateo --) Jean comes up with a recent review.
Some tips for the TER search engine:
Location is probably the best, at least for the bay girls.
If most girls use the same #, you can use the most famous girl (ie, Gigi but its a bad example because she actually uses a different number than most others in the org) copy and paste her number in search. All girls who use this number will be shown.
Since there are nowhere the number of reviews on here as it was on the uh, neurotic donkey, they should be fairly easy to sift through. However, if name is very common, you can filter by asian nationality and location in the advanced search.
Some girls who migrate through LA Vegas and Bay only have one TER profile, so you need to know their rebrand history to write a review. TER allows you to write a review for the same girl who was in another location and under different name, I'm pretty sure.
As far as bunnygirls, Kira is recommended for aggressive DT service. I hear Laia is great for service as well. Wanted to find out about Jean, but none of the mongers on here replied back about her, lol. Not even senor spoon, who likes the org.
I haven't sessioned at Bunnygirls. I was going to but then I met Nora at Baykisses.
It is rumored that there is at least one 'water works' kgirl at Bunnygirls. I'm not supposed to mention names unless it's first hand. No names will be mentioned.
Yuffie and Amy are 'water works' kgirls who are taking appointments. Yum yum delicious pussy juice!!
YMMV
Thanks so much for the info.
Do you have any links? I’ve not seen waterworks or Baykisses. PM is fine if you’re more comfortable with that.
The 'rumored' waterworks girl out of BGC is Elin.
Elin hunh?!
I recall I confronted you once at Nuerotic Donkey about Yuffie. I said there are maybe 3 in a 100 who swallow and blah blah blah.--) you don't know. Well, you asserted she's a freak and down to bbbjtcimws. I went for myself and behold TRUTH!!!!! Ha ha
I would tell you to give Yuffie another try, but of course, up to you my dude. Coincidentally, my top 3 girls in the bay are all eager swallowers. What can I say, I like em nasty.
You know Im not that jig on pussy eating, but with Yuffie I just go to town on that thing and witness fireworks. It's like geyser central.
I am of the opinion that Senor Spoon, international man of mystery and magic, may be the TER Bunnygirls resident expert. It would be wonderful if he can give us his quality content.
At first Vixen caught my attention but I'm thinking Lina is very familiar and would get the nod.
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I was confused last night when I mentioned Vixen at Bunnygirls. Vixen is at SweetAngels. Tiana gets the nod at SweetAngels. Tiana may just be the sexiest kgirl in Nor Cal Wonderland.
I'm thinking Lina is Re-branded Pixie from LSC. There's a new 'Nova' starting this week who's glams match up with GSC Nicole who is many a monger's ATF.
Carry on...
about 2015 under another name. After a good run of about 4 or 5 months, she tried LA for a few months, and then onto the BA where she seem to get a lot more regulars. She came back here for another go in OC briefly in 2017 and during the summer of 2018, but just couldn't get the traction she had with the local guys before. I saw her a couple times while she was here, and I thought she was better than when she started, but at the time she was here, there were a lot of other first-tier girls at the same agency, so it was not the big win she was hoping for. I think she can compete more favorably with the top girls in the BA than she can here.
indoorsport's review is AT LEAST a conflict of interest review.
Tianas average grade isnt that high, and his review is super glowing. (Just like Baby's review in the same org as well).
Let's put two and two together.
He used to advertise sweetangels when they appeared (in case people dont know they are from LA and, I believe, part of Mia's fleet) on EM. I have proof of those posts in link form.
He admitted Tiana was a close friend whom he was helping
If you go on switter, sweetangels advertising account is indoorsport_69. He admitted that it was his account too.
Hes got all his hands in cookie jar. I'm not claiming he's a booker or anything, but hes at least a monger with big benefits in the org. He shouldn't be reviewing sweetangels girls. They are biased reviews that should not even be on TER.
Since you have concluded you are now our resident review cop perhaps you can give us your sage advice on this review.
Is this what you would call a fair and honest review?
Personally I'm confused by it. How does "gorgeous faced woman" and "... thought WOW, Tiana has a beautiful face. She is indeed drop dead gorgeous." produce an Appearance: 6 - Nice?
Maybe it's just me but some how I am having a problem connecting the dots here.
You might also think about comparing the text of the two review, the one I linked here and the one from indoorsport you want to claim is completely fraudulent, or at least should not have been submitted as their is an alleged conflict of interests (which is not proof the person cannot provide an objective evaluation much less didn't provide one).
I'll leave it to others do decide if they think it worth looking at the reviews, both the two mentioned here and the others for the girl. For those that are looking for a distractions and take a look I think it would be interesting to see if you think the 6/5 review from AmazingOn3 or the 10/9 from indoorsport is most accurate/honest/objective and particularly which is actually more helpful in you decision-making (though I suspect like me most will not base any decision off one review).
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The review you linked isn't very helpful, you are correct. I can't say whether or not it's honest, as I need to take a look at his other reviews. In general, it's a generic review that doesn't explain why the lower grade. It's pretty much useless. If you think I will condone low grade unhelpful reviews because they give a girl a low grade, you're gravely mistaken. You act like I just want people to give girls low grades. That's not what I want,at all.
The main difference here is that I know indoorsport has conflict of interest, and I have proof. He doesn't disclose his conflict in his review. Conflict of interest reviews are prohibited on TER. I don't have proof of amazing giving a lower grade on purpose.
Also, I thought you don't read reviews of lowly reviewed girls and don't see them? Somehow, youve seen Tiana and even gave her 9 service grade, same as KGA Claire. Now, Claire is my GOAT, but even without that bias, does anyone besides you really think Tiana is even in Claire's stratosphere as far as service goes?
Odd that you mentioned that about lobbying for lowering the ratings. I was beginning to wonder if that was actually your agenda.
It is hard to say given you don't have reviews here or you hide them.
However, I am glad to see both that you did respond and how you responded. Aside from the confusion you have about my reviewing Tiana. I'm east coast and the only girls I've seen from the west are the one that have toured here with a few rare exceptions where the girls started here and then moved west. I assure you I've never seen or reviewed either of the girls you mention -- unless one or both toured here back early 2017 or before under some other name. But Tiana did not look familiar.
I thought I was replying to cdl. Guess I need a reading comprehension refresher myself 
Being a newbie on this board, is that THERE ARE NO PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS. Anyone can respond to anything someone else posts, not just the person YOU responded to. All thoughts are welcome. That's why I prefer posting on TER over other sites where Admin there is notorious for censoring free speech, and then they brag about it by leaving their own post that says it was removed because it was argumentative. It should be called the Kumbayah board.
I can't argue that you don't need a reading comprehension refresher, and its good that you recognize you failings, but just remember that Jensen was posting on the board long before TER took their 20-month hiatus, and although I have not completely agreed with him on everything he has said, I think his input is often valuable to the community, so if he has his own thoughts on something you said, why would you want to censor him out? That just sounds really closed-minded, but that is often the case with crazy "crusaders" types.
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I wasn't censoring anyone out, I literally thought I was replying to you while I was replying to him. Why would I ever censor a monger who isn't breaking board rules?
Clearly he has never reviewed Tiana.
Jeez. Are you going to attack me over everything now?
were jumping on Jensen for replying to your post to me. If that's not the case, I stand corrected. My apologies.
I do think he was responding to the thread but thinking it was you, not me that he was responding to. That makes sense as you do have a review for Tiana.
I was really scratching my head at how anyone thought I had written the review given it's pretty easy to check someone's review history. I do understand how it's possible for someone to be thinking about something they want to say to one member while having clicked reply to someone else post.
No worries. Water under the bridge.
He clearly "misplaced" his post, something people who have been here for years do all the time and I doubt anyone but you thinks he was trying to have a "private" conversation with anyone, he's new to TER not new to fuck boards.
I know you are smarter than this, have you been sneaking BFSF's vodka this afternoon?
was SO much better than the 'modernized one' even many years after the modernization took place. Under the original user interface it was Always very clear who was replying to what, but not so much anymore. I've been on the site since before 2005 and am often shocked where in a thread my post shows up. And God help anybody who uses the "flat" view interface ...
The famous Mint left the Bay Area around 2016, I think. I heard she was touring on the east coast. Did you ever meet her?
She was once a favorite of mine.
I definitely saw a girl named Mint but too far back to remember much. I doesn't seem I wrote a review so perhaps not the same girl. Back then, typically if I had a good session I was happy to share the news but not always -- writing reviews are a PITA most of the time IMO.
I have to admit I agree with you about reviews.
I never wrote a review here about a lot of girls I’ve seen: Suwa, Sally, Blue, Leah, etc. Honestly, I’d be happier if we just had a list of providers and a set of checkboxes and drop down lists for activities and ratings. And maybe a comments box for any special remarks.
I tend to only write reviews when there was something remarkable (good or bad) about the experience.
I've wondered at times if a 3 level rating - good, neutral/not important to me, bad along with a collection of both service activities and looks related attributes without any of the free text would not be better.
Probably would need to have some way to average that into some summary metric.
Of course on TER it's really more of a 7-10 scoring system with anything below a 7 being just plain Bad/Ugly.
The biggest problem is the criteria used to get a score higher than a 7 for performance, it simply does NOT reflect what's important to the overwhelming majority of mongers. I am sure most of us agree that DFK and BBBJ are important, and to a lesser extent, a MUCH lesser extent I might add, anal, But who really gives a fuck if a chick is bi or does gang bangs. I've never done a gang bang in my entire life and I don't care to start now, and while I've done a lot of threesomes in my life, it's hardly anything I am thinking about, much less caring about when I am one on one with a woman.
I honestly don't believe how tone deaf TER has been on this subject, there have been countless threads on the subject and the overwhelming majority of both mongers and providers alike HATE the current scoring system.
Back to your point about a three level rating, yeah I would be ok with that, but I think with a little common sense thrown in the 1-10 system is better, just not in its current form.
Add CIM to the activities that could move service from a 9 (which presumes DFK and BBBJ) to a 10. Some of the best overall sessions I've had were with girls who were oral queens, but under the current scoring system, no way to give them a 10. It also punishes petite girls that simply can't handle anal even if they wanted to. I stopped doing doubles a couple of years ago after a couple of bad ones, so even though I COULD give them a 10, they didn't earn a 10, which is often the case in doubles, IMO.
I love doubles. But they require a certain level of inhibition in my opinion. Genuine lesbian activity is nice. But it isn’t really required (again, in my opinion).
What is required is the ability of the girls to genuinely work and play together. The second that one of them has to wipe you down after you’ve been touched by the other girl or, heaven forbid, actually swaps condoms it starts looking like the girls are only there for the doubles premium (the extra price per hour). And that just isn’t fun.
So, a rating system that gives credit for just doubles, when double scoop can be less fun than a single scoop if it’s not done well, just doesn’t make sense to me.
Sure, they could attempt to come up with some metric that would improve our ability to report “low inhibition” or “teamwork” or something. But I think that’s just slapping a band-aid on the problem.
The current rating system works too hard to report measurable performance as if it was a management by objective employment review.
There needs to be more allowance somehow for what frequently gets called “soft skills” in those same employment reviews.
Soft skills are considered to be things like etiquette, communication and listening. And I will add “responsiveness”. Applying those concepts to a session, whether it is a single or a double scoop, is absolutely key to the success and therefore the rating of the experience.
Yet, for some reason, soft skills aren’t actually covered in the TER rating system. The one thing that sets apart a pro from a noob isn’t included in the review system. At least as I understand it. I’m happy to be educated, though.
This is all just my opinion. Any and all are free to disagree with no judgement from me.
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Useyrhead, did you do doubbles with Kendall and Dora?
'Cause THAT one checked ALL the boxes!
sag
Sadly, I missed them.
Yeah 1 - 10, 1- 5, 3 level .... they can all work and I agree the biggest problem is about that 7+ range and using the 8 - 10.
I do keep thinking back to an old article I read about rating on the mutual funds that suggested all rating systems tended to be better with fewer rather than more level. Basically the finer the jumps the more disagreement in getting it right and in trusting how one can interpret. 3 or 5 seemed to be the most work able.
However, we all like that perfect 10, and a system of 7 - 10 is just odd.
and for all practical purposes sometimes it seems like a 9.9-10 scoring system. lol
Personally, I think I have what is really a 1-10 system that I use broken down by half points as well, which I suppose should mean that I use a 1-20 system. I often can't decide between a 7 and an 8 and mentally give her a 7.5 which would be 15 out of 20 on a 1-20 point system. FUCK, I am starting to sound like IMP now. lol
Actually I don't review, but I do have a GaGa scale that I sometimes make notes to myself. I use a ten point scale like TER, only I grade about two scores higher. A GaGa 6 is usually a TER 8, most of the girls I see are somewhere between 6-7.5 on my own scale, an 8 is a girl who would be getting solid 10's on TER a 9 would literally cause traffic accidents simply by walking down the street and I don't know if I have ever met a 10 on the GaGa scale. lol
You no doubt meant gymnastics and DIVING, because their scoring incorporates a Degree of Difficulty .... which, as you imply, I have mentioned previously:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/suggestion-and-policy-4/x-out-of-y-scoring--16428?frmSearch=1#16428
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Most of us want to know about the fundamentals (figure 8s in ice skating) and how well she PERFORMS on the basics. Because we will be performing together, very few of us are interested in trying a quadruple axel or, if you are into bestiality, camel spins.
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Top score on a level 7 "degree of difficulty" is a 7-out-of-7 (or a 10-out-of-7; detail to be debated later). A bleh score on a level 10 "D of D" is a 7-out-of-10. I have had many fantastic 7-out-of-7s. A 7-out-of-10 could be disappointing.
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The current single-number scoring system pressures Providers into trying things that they don't want to do or aren't good at. X-out-of-Y does not.
and for all practical purposes sometimes it seems like a 9.9-10 scoring system. lol ...
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FUCK, I am starting to sound like IMP now. lol
And I'm pretty sure people do a lot of complaining about the .x part, even if not always obvious to the audience. LOL
But I don't expect anything to change nor did I really think many would agree so not really making a real suggestion there. More venting about the fact the reviews are PITAs and on many counts rather marginal in value (at least to me).
and yes, you have not only "mentioned" it you mention it, along with your skin tone chart, at EVERY opportunity, and next to no one supports either idea.
Mint came back as Hyuna and was her perhaps 9 months ago
Crap. I wish I’d known that.
Now I feel even worse!
Admits a girl was his friend and he was "helping her" with his review, why you give any weight whatsoever to the review, or even care what he wrote. I have to admire his integrity for being forthright about his motive. As such, I don't consider this a shill when there is full disclosure. This guy is just like Mufftime, but with transparency. Any monger who gets taken in more than once, its because he's stupid, not because of what Mufftime does. Same with this guy you're talking about. If he TELLS you he's hustling you, then you fall for it anyway, who's fault is that?
He didn't admit it in the review, and he didn't disclose it in the review. Wtf are you talking about? He admitted it on another message board,on neurotic donkey, when confronted about him shilling for sweet angels. Maybe you should actually read the review first before writing?
Again, tell me where he discloses it in the review. For someone who claims to read reviews, you certainly have pretty mediocre reading comprehension.
Twoon, are you sure about lsc Nicole = Nova? Nova's pics don't look like real life Nicole and they don't look like the pics Nicole used when she was at gsc or lovelyangels. Novas pics do look familiar tho, but I can't quite put my finger on it...
I could be wrong Rocketbro...but she looks super duper familiar.
Saluations ! Rocketqwerty and Twoon !!
Cordelion and Jensen ....Rocketqwerty knows what he is talking about in terms of spotting fake reviews and his opinions on provider friendly hobbyists. We are refugees from another shitshow but far from newbies.
Thanks for the vouch, bro! Game recognize game. You always had my back at the old place. I truly appreciate it.
I get you guys came from another site that seems like a toilet from what I hear. You have my sympathy. I also get you probably had a certain status there and want to establish that here.
My first suggesting will be to leave all the baggage from the other site at the door. The problems you guys seem to have been dealing with just are not that big here -- it basically gets lost in the noise of the legitimate reviews by people with different tastes and different preferences. It also gets called out pretty quick.
That was largely at the core of rockets and my run in with each other. Water under the bridge. All in the past.
As for some unknown telling me how good you all are, well need I say any more than "unknown telling me"?
I get that you probably all had some type of status on the other board(s) and are looking to play those roles here. But there was an element of new kids coming in tell me you have it wrong, you're afraid of the agencies, you accept/promote fake reviews, if you get with our program we'll solve these problems. Well, that generally isn't going to produce a "Hey, glad you're here. Welcome to the party."
So rather than trying to tell me (and I suspect the others here) "We're great guys and know what's up." Just walk the walk. There have been good exchanges and that is getting you much farther then either getting up on the soapbox you brought from the other site as if the same problems there really exist here (TER isn't perfect but fake review and bully agencies are not really a problem here).
So welcome to TER, add good discussion (that has started so thumbs up), don't try to tell me who you are just show it and absolutely don't try to tell me who I am until you know a lot more about me.
Now, you're free to tell me to go eff off and that you don't need a lecture. But I felt like saying so if you read this far it's your own fucking fault so don't blame me
Walking the walk, for me in particular, is getting up on the soapbox. You can ask seanfinn too. I did the same thing more or less when I started actively posting at the old place.
Org Shills and fake reviews and monger bullying exist everywhere, and raising awareness about them is one of the main reasons I'm on the forums in the first place (help mongers is another)
Besides, being proactive can prevent this place from becoming what the old place was. If you look at kgirl reviews in the bay, they are going up in count drastically. As we exit shelter in place, they will pick up. I can't possibly call out every review that seems off or fake, so raising general awareness seemed like an appropriate strategy, and it still is to me.
Rocket, I do appreciate where you are coming from, BUT teaching us yokels what we are doing wrong is your intended mission here, I fear you are going to be VERY disappointed. People who come onto TER to tell us how we need to change to suit them don't fare very well here. I've been here about 16 years and I have seen literally thousands of posters come and go.
Don't get me wrong, I actually agree with most of what you have to say, but if you are trying to say "there's a new sheriff in town" You are going to get a LOT of pushback, a LOT of it. Bully mongering is hardly tolerated here, no how good the intentions.
I'll make you a deal, you respect us and we'll respect you. This is NOT the other place where you used to post, I'd suggest you spend a little time getting your bearings on this board before shouting too loud from your soapbox, I guarantee you your reception will be much less chilly if you do so.
Lastly, don't let my lack of reviews fool you, I have been on TER for 16 years now, I have well over 50,000 posts and back when they had volunteer mods, I moderated several of the TER boards. I have also seen several thousand hookers over the last 46 years, so I am hardly wet behind the ears, and YES, I do agree that this site was created for the MONGERS, not the hookers, so we are in agreement there, I just want to caution you attempting to lecture any of us before you really know the players. I am not saying this to be adversarial, I am saying this in the hopes that you get off on the right foot here.
Gambler, I never said my mission is to teach people what they're doing wrong. I never intend to bully any monger, in fact just the opposite. Anyone on the board is welcome to do whatever they want. I'd even venture to say that most mongers just want to get some kgirl pussy and not engage in drama. That's fine. My purpose is to help mongers, and that includes providing my thoughts on dealing with orgs. Whether or not you agree with these thoughts is up to you. Some might not be aware that via their actions some newbie mongers are being fucked over. Raising awareness there is important imo.
With that said, most of what I say is very consistent with TER guidelines for reviews, so if anyone has issues, they can read those again. Conflict of interest reviews, as well as threatening bad reviews, is against TER policies. I've read them very carefully, as I respect the rules of the place I come to. I won't bully anyone for not adhering to those rules, but I certainly will work with the administration if I think those rules are breached. These rules coincide with my position and I think they're a good safeguard against fake reviews.
There is no need to make a deal. I respect all of you old timers on this board. I respect you, Jensen, CDL and so on. This doesn't mean I won't ask questions or question some the things that some people take as axioms. The question that got everyone hot and bothered was "is it acceptable for orgs to silence mongers' feedback via threatening to BL anyone who gives subpar review grade?". It's quite an elegant probe question that can show a lot depending the response, or even lack of response. Because once you start answering it, you realize that either you're admitting publicly that you're OK with breaking TER policies, or admitting publicly you're not OK with org policies. It was not surprising to see that no one directly answered this question in public, although I do give CDL some props for answering it in private. "Some", because clearly, it's easier to answer it when neither ter or orgs see your response. This question also does a good job at (at least partially) answering "why do does pro-newbie monger have to equal anti-org and vice versa? ".
I don't really care about my reception. As long as new mongers (ie, new to the game) are respected and stay well-informed, I'm happy. I'm not here to make new friends. You can dislike me. I'm not here to pretend. I state my game loud and clear. I can answer any question not related to personal information of me, girls or orgs,and will do it gladly, on a public forum. You can ignore me, label me a troll, a clown, a crusader, I really couldn't care any less. If I'm willing to forego my atfs, pussy and VIP monger benefits for my beliefs, I'm pretty sure I can handle internet "reputation" just fine.
Last, unlike some people, I don't care how many reviews you or anyone else has.
You don't have to prove anything to me. I don't view any new mongers as idiots or somehow inferior in any way to mongers with 20+ years behind their belt. About the only thing I can say is sometimes on other sites people will be reluctant to share info with anyone with zero reviews because they think they might be LE. And sometimes it's hard for me to give a private phone number of an independent girl who operates on the low, to such a monger. That's about it.
Again, I'm not an org or any capitalistic entity that gives preferential treatment to high volume customers. All legit mongers are equal to me. And there's no Animal Farm here. None of the mongers are "more equal than others".
Again, I always stand my ground and hence you know where to find me. Wherever the bay area orgs advertise their girls' reviews to the public.
Cheers and have a great day.
Rocket, I do appreciate where you are coming from, BUT teaching us yokels what we are doing wrong is your intended mission here, I fear you are going to be VERY disappointed. People who come onto TER to tell us how we need to change to suit them don't fare very well here. I've been here about 16 years and I have seen literally thousands of posters come and go.
Don't get me wrong, I actually agree with most of what you have to say, but if you are trying to say "there's a new sheriff in town" You are going to get a LOT of pushback, a LOT of it. Bully mongering is hardly tolerated here, no how good the intentions.
I'll make you a deal, you respect us and we'll respect you. This is NOT the other place where you used to post, I'd suggest you spend a little time getting your bearings on this board before shouting too loud from your soapbox, I guarantee you your reception will be much less chilly if you do so.
Lastly, don't let my lack of reviews fool you, I have been on TER for 16 years now, I have well over 50,000 posts and back when they had volunteer mods, I moderated several of the TER boards. I have also seen several thousand hookers over the last 46 years, so I am hardly wet behind the ears, and YES, I do agree that this site was created for the MONGERS, not the hookers, so we are in agreement there, I just want to caution you attempting to lecture any of us before you really know the players. I am not saying this to be adversarial, I am saying this in the hopes that you get off on the right foot here.
"The question that got everyone hot and bothered was "is it acceptable for orgs to silence mongers' feedback via threatening to BL anyone who gives subpar review grade?". It's quite an elegant probe question that can show a lot depending the response, or even lack of response. Because once you start answering it, you realize that either you're admitting publicly that you're OK with breaking TER policies, or admitting publicly you're not OK with org policies."
You were given answers. You just didn't like them because the answers rejected you false dichotomy. No one claimed it was acceptable for an agency to BL just because someone wrote an unfavorable review. It was acknowledge that that could be a risk. It was also pointed out that agencies and provider certainly have the right to defend their reputations from unjustified reviews. You've even been provided a review that shows the problem and you largely avoided dealing with it. So was that 6/5 review where the reviewed described the girl as gorgeous several times and DDG one, said she was good at what she does a couple of times, checks off a could of boxed for the above 7 scores and the only negative thing he has to say is for why he would not repeat is "she isnt [sic.] my type".
That is neither a fair or honest review to me, so violation of the 2nd guideline. But you had nothing to say other than it lacked details so was not helpful. It wasn't a bad and unhelpful review due to the text, it was a bad review because it was not fair and it was misleading. That includes misleading to other mongers. Moreover, if the organization BLed the guy that would not be bulling in any shape or form. This problem was very much part of the answer you claim was never given and what you wanted, to still seem to, ignore so you can stick with a false dichotomy.
Similarly no one defended false or inflated review. There is a recent a review getting called out example of this over on the DC board. So the community here does pay attention and raise the flags. However, at the end of the day the decision in TER's.
I wasn't given answers on the forum. You refused to answer my question, citing me moving goalposts and changing your words. Cdl answered in private.
But OK, let's say it was a misunderstanding. You say it's not acceptable. Good. So it's not acceptable AND against TER rules. Great. So why can't we complain about it? How is it not bullying? Cdl said that one person who tried to report an org blacklisting him on TER for subpar review, was bld from all California orgs. How is this NOT bullying? Lmao. You are calling me bullying when I simply try to inform mongers, but orgs bling someone who doesn't give a favorable review or reports this tactics, is not bullying? Maybe it's time we go over what bullying means. How is it a false dichotomy? You can't say one abides by ter reviews policies and also that it's ok for orgs to bl others, violating this policy. Saying "it's not OK But that's how things are" isn't the same as saying it's unacceptable. Police brutality is a hot topic, so saying "unacceptable but that's how things are" is drastically different than "its unacceptable", don't you think?
Second, let's discuss the second review. You only provided it in this thread as a response to my critique of indoorsports review. I gave an honest answer. For indoorsport's review, I have overwhelming evidence. For that review, there wasn't a lot of evidence. It seemed like a preference review. The entire grade seemed based on the guys preference. It's a tough call, but I actually agree with you - I wouldn't approve this review as it is misleading to mongers. Not to mention utterly useless. So what's the point of the self-policing if such reviews and the one you linked to in your area, are allowed to go through?
To me, even one fake or dishonest review is one too many. Can I fully stop it? No. Can I try to minimize it? Yes.
Now question to you, how many fake reviews I need to find on TER so you guys agree it's a problem? Give me a number.
You were given answers. You just didn't like them because the answers rejected you false dichotomy. No one claimed it was acceptable for an agency to BL just because someone wrote an unfavorable review. It was acknowledge that that could be a risk. It was also pointed out that agencies and provider certainly have the right to defend their reputations from unjustified reviews. You've even been provided a review that shows the problem and you largely avoided dealing with it. So was that 6/5 review where the reviewed described the girl as gorgeous several times and DDG one, said she was good at what she does a couple of times, checks off a could of boxed for the above 7 scores and the only negative thing he has to say is for why he would not repeat is "she isnt [sic.] my type".
That is neither a fair or honest review to me, so violation of the 2nd guideline. But you had nothing to say other than it lacked details so was not helpful. It wasn't a bad and unhelpful review due to the text, it was a bad review because it was not fair and it was misleading. That includes misleading to other mongers. Moreover, if the organization BLed the guy that would not be bulling in any shape or form. This problem was very much part of the answer you claim was never given and what you wanted, to still seem to, ignore so you can stick with a false dichotomy.
Similarly no one defended false or inflated review. There is a recent a review getting called out example of this over on the DC board. So the community here does pay attention and raise the flags. However, at the end of the day the decision in TER's.
Not looking for any soapbox nor role nor status. Really don't care. Never did.
Did I try to tell you who you are? No.
Looking for some honest banter, that is it.
Do wonder though when Alpaca's bots and shills and similar will figure this one out. I think it is a matter of when, not if.
Jensen. You left me nothing to talk to him about. Thanks for saving me 20 minutes. Lol
The highlight for me is not bringing baggage here from another site. I started reviewing and posting here after 5 years an AF. There was a lot of fake shit over there, too, but I didn't here and start out by telling the locals how lucky they are that I'm here to save them from whatever the shit is over there. The kind of problems he talks about simply don't exist here in significant numbers. They are more the outliers. Its like the main character in the musical, The Music Man, who rolls into town and convinces the local yokels that they are in moral danger because there is a pool hall in town. All her really wants to do is con the locals. Only the gullible are going to buy into that shit. The same thing here trying to "invent" a problem with bookers and agencies that doesn't currently exist ON THIS SITE.
Invoice is in the mail. Will be looking for 50% of the total revenue from all your businesses for the 20 minutes. Something of a preemptive consulting service fee. Granted not much consulting was done but that how good I am so the 50% is well spend lol
Rocket, I get that you don't want to deal with the same shit you were on the other sites, but TER has been around a long time. The abuse you fear might come back after the virus stops impacting normal life is really unlikely, It didn't exist before TER went dark in the USA, it has not emerged when it came back up and before the virus.
As GaG says, the community here does a good job of self-policing. Not sure if you guys were here for the guess the number of unapproved reviews. A lot of long time members here were guessing in the millions. The actual number turned out to be over 630,000. How many reviews did the other site have? How many were not approved?
I never said you're lucky to have me here. Probably the opposite, actually. Depends on what your viewpoint is.
As far as problems not existing, I'm pretty sure you yourself said that many bookers in LA will straight up tell mongers that they're going to be bld if they post lower than 7 grade on TER. Not some other site, but TER.
Maybe you take your words back? Do you want me to pinpoint where you said this? You've reiterated it many times, going as far as offering to provide names of posters who would be bld in the future for posting low scores. No one pulled your tongue there.
Because it definitely seems like a problem that has to do with this very site, a site that explicitly prohibits such behavior from orgs.
You suggest I'm a con man or have an agenda. What is it tho? Who I'm trying to con? My agenda is standing up for newbie monger brothers who are getting fucked directly and indirectly. My agenda is pointing out reviews that are written by people who have direct interest in selling their own product and are less than honest.
I never ask for money, and no one has ever called me a liar or someone who gives out fake info. I'm not a competitor, nor do I advertise anyone. I can point out my fav girls, but that's it. I'm just a monger who want fellow inexperienced mongers to have all info they can,and put it above anything else in the hobby (such as connections or good relations with orgs)
Cheers
Jensen. You left me nothing to talk to him about. Thanks for saving me 20 minutes. Lol
The highlight for me is not bringing baggage here from another site. I started reviewing and posting here after 5 years an AF. There was a lot of fake shit over there, too, but I didn't here and start out by telling the locals how lucky they are that I'm here to save them from whatever the shit is over there. The kind of problems he talks about simply don't exist here in significant numbers. They are more the outliers. Its like the main character in the musical, The Music Man, who rolls into town and convinces the local yokels that they are in moral danger because there is a pool hall in town. All her really wants to do is con the locals. Only the gullible are going to buy into that shit. The same thing here trying to "invent" a problem with bookers and agencies that doesn't currently exist ON THIS SITE.
ONE booker, not many. The rest are much more subtle.
" . . . . going as far as offering to provide names of posters who would be bld in the future for posting low scores." WHERE DID I SAY THIS? I think you're hallucinating.
"My agenda is pointing out reviews that are written by people who have direct interest in selling their own product and are less than honest." HAVE YOU FOUND A SINGLE ONE OF THESE YET ON TER? Its like you're sitting in San Mateo with an elephant gun by the front door JUST IN CASE you get charged by an elephant. If you think orgs are doing shill reviews on TER, point them out. I've been her 12 years and have never seen one. Its time to put up or shut up on this topic. You're starting to become the "chicken little" of the Kgirl board.
OK, it was one booker, and the rest are subtle, sure. But the point is that you said it yourself. How is it not related to TER? Do you want to answer that?
The moment a booker mentions TER scores, it becomes a TER problem, not a yelp or Disney dot com problem. I would hope this is clear. Just like it is clear that if someone invokes their right to report anti-TER ToS behavior against an org on TER, collusive blacklist over the entire state is an example of egregious bullying. And yes, it is also a TER problem.
Where did you say this? Here?
"Every time I hear of a guy who is blacklisted, I will be sure to bring it up. I'm not going to publicly it is for low review scores, but that is one of the possible reasons (I will name the other possible reasons, too), then members here can look him up and see for themselves if his review scores are low."
You've yet to tell me what my agenda is or who I'm trying to con. You can call me chicken little or whatever you wish, I don't really care. I'll just say that ostrich defense of sticking your head into ground and pretending things don't exist, isn't very optimal. The fake reviews happened at aamp_maps and they happened at donkey, which means the last 4 years or so, bay orgs have actively engaged in this. Now theyre here. They got kicked out mid February, and s-i-p began in three weeks. Once a cheater, always a cheater. I'm here to make sure they don't engage in this behavior. You can be as mad as you like, but I'm not going anywhere.
As far as shill reviews, I gave an example in this very thread.
Let me know if you have any other questions. Always happy to help a fellow monger.
Cheers
ONE booker, not many. The rest are much more subtle.
" . . . . going as far as offering to provide names of posters who would be bld in the future for posting low scores." WHERE DID I SAY THIS? I think you're hallucinating.
"My agenda is pointing out reviews that are written by people who have direct interest in selling their own product and are less than honest." HAVE YOU FOUND A SINGLE ONE OF THESE YET ON TER? Its like you're sitting in San Mateo with an elephant gun by the front door JUST IN CASE you get charged by an elephant. If you think orgs are doing shill reviews on TER, point them out. I've been her 12 years and have never seen one. Its time to put up or shut up on this topic. You're starting to become the "chicken little" of the Kgirl board.
about org shill reviews on TER, but you have yet to point out a single one. That's the reason you're becoming chicken little. Jensen warned you about how you lose cred here by bringing your baggage over from a second-rate site. Its like you've been driving a Hyundai that you hate and you're trying to tell us a Mercedes is just as bad. That pig won't fly here. You're just making yourself look BSC.
TER is the grande dame of review sites. They started this biz. If anyone's doing it right, the are. By making this claim, you are suggesting that TER is not policing their reviews to conform to their rules. I, for one, have never seen anything to suggest that is the case here. I will ask you yet AGAIN, where is an example of what you are talking about on TER? Just one or two would make you look a little less crazy.
I GAVE an example in this VERY thread- indoorsport's review of Tiana and explained how it's a shill review.
You want another one ? Sure thing, we don't have to go far and stay within the same org:
https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/detail/cathy-review-by-jay9891-2209588
a classic shill rebuttal review. a supposed monger who only has one review has a rebuttal review to the very first review of the girl, and that review wasn't even harsh. just stated that the girl is green. it doesn't get any clearer than that.
As the OP I have to say - no personal offense intended, I’m sure you’re a good guy with only good intentions - it really seems like you’re hijacking this thread in a pretty big way. What does this have to do with the original topic?
listen, Im sorry about it. I already offered CDL to take it to another thread.
I was replying to Gambler and CDL posts in the last few posts.
again, Im really sorry. but I wont stop responding when Im called out anywhere on the board.
I get it.
Defending your honor is more important to you than being considerate of others.
I’ve been in your shoes. I know how hard it can be to do the right thing when you feel like others are wrong and you are right.
I can tell you this. I’m sure I’m not the only one who was cutting you slack because you were new. And I’m also sure I’m not the only one that is thinking you’ve begun to establish a strong pattern of behavior that goes beyond what can be simply excused as new guy syndrome.
It’s really not hard, though. You simply post something like “We’re starting to hijack somebody else’s thread. I’ve created a thread on our topic at [location here]. I will post my response to you there.” Some guys will try to take advantage of your lack of response in the hijacked thread. You just reply with “My reply to this is covered at [location here]”.
You’re an adult. I’m sure you can figure this out.
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hey man, I did exactly what you said, even before you mentioned it
this was my message to cdl via pm:
"Listen man, like I've said you're not a bad guy. I'm not sure why you keep attacking me, but it's clogging up the board. I'm ready to talk about kgirls and we've already messed up two-three threads (rebrand, bunnygirls and another one).
How about we consolidate you going at me in one thread ? I want mongers to read rebrands and actual kgirl info easier in forums. What do you say ? I'm not going anywhere anytime soon, so at least we'll keep our banter if anyone wants to read it, inside one thread ?"
and his response: "Now you've been here ten minutes with your conspiracy theories and you want to tell me where I should be posting? How about I set up a thread just for you."
and thus, the conspiracy thread was born. I will try to keep my shit in there. Again, apologies about ruining this thread.
So I think maybe we should ask. Did you get your answer about site reviews or what you wanted to know about the agency?
I got suggestions and workarounds.
I realized that part of the problem is that NorCal TERites are just getting ramped up due to the lockdown and how recently TER has returned. Along with the rapid and painful degradation of the electronic primate site.
Still, the answers seemed to be cut off prematurely due to thread hijacking. And that’s what prompted my recent post. But maybe that’s all the info there is. And that’s cool, too.
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you will not stop responding when you are called out. It has nothing to do with whether you're right or wrong. Guys like you never own anything. Congrats for having such a flawless life.
cordelion, jenson and gambler : TER has historically not known to be the fulcrum for Bay area K. As it develops into that, the fake reviews will follow. Already a a few reviewer names on TER for Bay area reviews have made me scratch my head.
Instead of this detailed back and forth between you and rocketqwerty lets just wait and see how it plays out.