Hi Folks,

I wanted to put this question out for general consumption and comment because I've noticed a lot of diversity in terms of what is considered "on the clock time" and "off the clock time" during appointments.  I'm hoping that by having a discussion about a clients' and providers' expectations regarding appointment time, maybe there will be fewer issues about people "clock watching", "overstaying his welcome", etc etc.

For the sake of discussion, I'd like to limit this to independent providers, because agencies have a whole different set of rules when it comes to appointment time.

I recently had a second appointment with a well-reviewed, well-liked provider who is relatively new to the area.  The first appointment was fantastic, hence the desire for a second one.  I'm not going to tell anyone who she is, because it's not that important and I don't believe she intended for me to leave the appointment less than satisfied.  And, she is certainly not the only one who has treated appointment time in this manner.  


The appointment started out fine, but halfway through she initiated a conversation and asked me for advice.  I politely listened and offered advice when asked, but the whole time I didn't realize that I was still "on the clock".  The conversation went on for a bit, and knowing that my time was close to being finished, I tried to initiate some more "playtime".  She told me my time was up.  I was visibly annoyed, and I told her that I had a different set of expectations about our appointment, especially since she wanted to talk about her issue during our appointment and was still "running the clock".  It ended politely, but I was upset.

Let me just say that I have always respected a providers' rules and time.  I don't try to stay beyond my time limit, I don't push the rules, and even if I'm not happy with the appointment, I am always polite and gracious.  I always brush my teeth before the appointment, too, but one should always make time for that (lol).

So, I want to know how independent providers and clients view time during an appointment.  I have been with several providers who have distinguished between "on the clock" and "off the clock" time during appointments, depending on the situation.  I've also met with some who start the clock as soon as the door closes and consider every minute spent in close proximity as "on the clock time", regardless of what transpires.

Obviously, most clients would not repeat with a provider does not meet a clients' expectation during an appointment.  Likewise, most providers won't accept an appointment with a client whose sense of time disappears once the clothes come off, so it really can be a two way street.  Almost all providers that I've seen advertise "time and companionship", but most clients I know like a healthy mix of the two.

I'm interested to hear what others think of this.

There is no correct answer here, but I can give you personal guidelines that work for me:

The one hour GFE starts when you enter the room.  You are paying for 60 min of the ladies time, which she should be devoting to you.  If she takes a break for a phone call or cigarette she should be knocked for it in your review.  You are expected to leave at the end of the hour, unless invited to stay.  Any extra time is “off the clock” unless agreed otherwise.

Some guys like conversation.  I’ve read reviews where guys complain the girl is too quiet.  I am not much of a conversation guy and have a better use for the girl’s mouth.  I tend to make the most of my hour.

My “off the clock” experience includes time after the appointment taking girls: grocery shopping; to the bank; to the pharmacy; to the train station; out to lunch; even took one girl to the MSPCA because she wanted a rabbit.  I’ve left and come back with food.  Understand I do not expect any GFE “off the clock”.  This time is all conversation or eating.  No kissing in public for me.

at tough question to answer but an hr is not enough time to enjoy a beautiful women.

I have been out of the hobby for some time, so my comments apply to earlier times…

In my experience, most independent providers have been quite generous with their off-clock times, just as I have been generous with my donations and gifts. Repeat appointments have almost always resulted in even more generosity on both of our parts.  After all, one would assume that repeat appointments wouldn’t happen unless the first one was satisfying on more than just the physical level. So, my conclusion is that if a session goes well, one doesn’t need to be worried about getting some “off-the-clock” play time and conversely, if the session doesn’t go well, one wouldn’t want to linger for longer than what you paid for (and possibly didn’t get)!  Of course, if the provider has an appointment booked right after yours, the above comments don’t apply.  I generally try not to book ladies who find the need to book at such frequency.

Just my 2 cents.

i'm with dt_lover on this. i'd even respect the appointment time: if you schedule for 7 p.m. for an hour, you have until 8 pm. seems like your other experiences might have been with non-clock-watchers, which happens, but i never think it's a guaranteed thing. remember, it's business, no one's doing anyone favors. clock-watching or the lack thereof are business decisions.

you have to take things in stride. things aren't perfect every time, no matter how great the provider is. just hope that next time it will be better--if they're reputable, it probably will be. better than non-reputable, non-gfe ones, i can say that much.

t/c

As an indie gal I feel that if you book an hour that time should be dedicated 100% to you!  Now some of my friends keep updated on my life and they may ask a few questions, if it is done in that way I go by the actual time. ( I always try to avoid any interuptions including my phone, so if you the client bring it up I take it as a need for a breather on your part, after all our time gets real intense) However if they ask at the end of the appt we are likely to just chat off the clock! When invited to join a friend for lunch after an appt I consider that just friends hanging out!

Ciao!
Love, Penny XXXOOO

both sides have to be flexible and considerate. sounds a touch obvious, I know.

if you walked away miffed--difficult as it is--you should have said something politely. good thread.

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I recall a day when a gentleman came to visit...he went on and on and on about a whole bunch of bs I could care less about for 45 minutes and then decided he wanted his hour of play time...in good spirit I gave him the hour of play time on top of a stupid 45 minute conversation about grass and how it grows (no really)...I should have told him after 5 minutes to get naked but not knowing him or what his game plan was I didn't...I just simply went with the flow of things...in the same good spirit he should have paid for the extra time he took out of my day...but it doesn't always go as it SHOULD...soooo do what I did and call it a lesson learned...next time someone wants to ramble on about their personal issues just stuff your cock (nice one I might add ) right into her mouth...I assure you the conversation will cease immediately

I've always been the clock watcher...One day my ATF caught me looking at the clock and I caught her catching me...anyway, I wasn't done and she wanted to make it happen. When we were done (20 mins later) she told me that she is ALWAYS aware of the time and so I asked her to find a way to let me know when it was time to go from there on. I also told I would stay all day if she let me. Not all visits run late but none has ever gone short. I still feel like I am taking advantage sometimes so I try to give her thoughtful small gifts on each visit. My budget doesn't really allow for extended visits as often as I would like. I try to make her feel as good as she makes me feel. It's a nice relationship and she's a special girl. That's why she's the ATF and also why I keep going back.

Damn girl I like your style...the more and more I read your posts !!!!

I appreciate all the comments!

To Camille:

The conversation went on for about 30-40 minutes of a 90 minute appointment, and the appointment began sitting on the couch chatting and catching up for about 15 minutes before I was invited to take a shower.  

Surely there are many other factors at play, so it's difficult for people to truly understand what transpired.  I really started to thread to ascertain what people think of time spent during an appointment and are there verbal or nonverbal cues about what is and is not considered "on the clock" time.

Just so you know, I did not ask for more time, and as I mentioned, I always respect a provider's time and go into each appointment expecting to leave when I'm supposed to.  I don't expect extra time, though it definitely does happen because I'm such a fantastic person (seriously, ask my mom).

This is an excellent post.  When I click with a provider, I genuinely enjoy talking with them and learning about their lives, especially hobby related stuff. If you're hitting it off, conversation can be a huge part of the experience.

I have been with a few SPs that have spent an inordinate amount of an appt talking about their own "stuff" - and missing (or ignoring) polite, non-verbal cues to start (or restart) the action.

If I need to remind the provider why I am there in the middle of an appointment, or feel like I need to persuade the girl to do what I am already paying to do, it destroys the illusion and is a major turn-off. Plus, we all want our mileage to vary on the "distance" side of the equation, right? Ain't gonna happen if you have to act like a jerk just to get things moving.

A simple touch, kiss, or verbal hint should be enough to break the ice and get things moving if time is a factor.  But if you have to bluntly interrupt someone just to be like "hey, we gonna do it or what??", it completely ruins the mood. Sometimes it's hard to know where the line is between being nice, polite, and patient, and when you are being taken advantage of, even if it's not necessarily intentional.

In my experience there's a higher likelihood of this happening with a less experienced, younger provider, who may be nervous or on the fence about whether or not providing is for them.

Nice post, DL.

I don't know what the difficulty is. If you can count and tell time it's easy. You pay a set amount for a set amount of time, let's say $300/hr or $5.00/min. there are rules and within them, you get to do what you want for 1 hr. I like to cuddle & small talk with most of the women I see in between pop #1 and second attempt (some successful & some not. If you stay over by not allowing time to shower and taking a 15 minute one overstaying 10 minutes and don't at least pay $50, you're ripping off the lady unless she says she doesn't have another appointment and invites you. Same with the ladies. If they jump up, get dressed and ignore you. The date is effectively over and you got ripped off. If you tell the girl that you have to leave, it's the reciprocal of being invited to stay longer and you should not expect a refund etc. If you're laying with a girl and talking about subjects that she chooses, you're on the clock! If you ask for another bj or something and she refuses while you have time, she's ripping you off. See the pattern? I think these are the basic rules. Guys, don't overstay the paid time and ladies, provide the full time!

The interesting thing here is that we expect the provider to be both GFE (not a clock watcher, interested in what you think, wants to make a connection) and a professional (knows what time it is, gives you value for money, anticipates your needs).  Given that there is an inherent contradiction here, I find it's best to be responsible for my own session.

I don't want the escort to be a clock watcher, but I am (as discreetly as possible).  I typically have 90 min or 2 hour appointments because that's how long it takes for me to enjoy her and get off, without feeling pressured.  I never plan to push beyond our agreed time, but I also want to make the most of the time we have.  

That means that if we start late due to my lateness, I assume I am only getting the remainder, for full price.  If we start late due to her lateness (let's not talk about providers being late checking in, having trouble with the maids, asking you to confirm on the day of the appointment but then not picking up their phone when you get there, etc.), I always ask, "Do we still have (the agreed time)?" at the beginning.

It also means that I like to get into it pretty quickly, then rest and talk, and then have another round.  It's not terribly scripted, but there is a flow.  There is ample time for talking and cuddling, and I get off.  If she is seriously messing with my enjoyment and ability to get off, I would probably be as upset as you were.  

She was being unprofessional because she didn't anticipate your needs, it's as simple as that. Not a terrible crime, but whether I saw her again would be a function of how hot the sex was, that's all.  There are some women I don't click with and once is enough.  There are some I will make allowances for.

In the end, I agree with you that it's always the best course to be polite and gracious, even in disappointing circumstances.  Nothing is guaranteed and there is always another day (until there isn't).


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Dingalingus you're just so easy to talk to

If you werent so nice she would have wanted you out of there! Lol.

For me, I have had topics with particular people that I wanted to talk about; or they wanted to talk about. The method I use if this happens is reguardless of the time; I offer the same service with hopes that the client has time to stay longer. Sometimes you just go with the flow when things like this happens although I know that I give every client the same treatment.

Better luck next time

xoxoxo

That's some darn good advice there Erin!

Good point, but if the client leaves after 40 minutes, he is (or should be) aware that he's giving up the remainder of his appointment.  It was his choice.  However, if a provider takes it upon herself to initiate a discussion based on her personal issues and ask you advice, and then keeps the meter running, I believe that's inconsiderate of the clients' time and money.

I won't waste my time and money on future appointments with a provider who doesn't respect my time and money, and I certainly wouldn't recommend her to anyone.  

P.S.  Some guys like longer appointments because we're just plain horny

I've always found Ding extremely easy to talk to as well!(of course, now that I think of it we were talking about you!)

i haven't read through all of the posts, but i usually just assume an extra 20-30 mins just for my guest showering before and/or after, or maybe a lingering conversation at the door at the end.  it doesn't reflect in what is given for time and companionship.  it's such a small amount of time yet it can completely change the tone of the appointment by making everything feel less rushed.

whether taking the extra time before my guest arrives to do hair/makeup/moisturizing/etc... or taking that extra time to make them feel special while there, it's definitely worth it for the overall experience.