Satan?

I know it's all bull shit, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddah, God and all gods. But even though people people fight among each other, they would still agree that is wrong to believe in satan. My question is why? But it's ok to kill in the name of God!?

...is essentially nothing more than dressed up right wing libertarianism in a religious dress. Draw your own conclusions from that.

It is so close to Objectivism in mindset that there are articles in Satanist magazines comparing them.

Satanism isn't about Satan -- it is about the SELF.

It's irrational to read the Bible for anything other than comic relief. (sort of like my posts, eh GaG?)

My all time favorite bible passage has got to be Leviticus Chapter 14:33 through 14:53. Which I present to you here, via the New American (Catholic) version:

The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "When you come into the land of Canaan, which I am giving you to possess, if I put a leprous infection on any house of the land you occupy, the owner of the house shall come and report to the priest, 'It looks to me as if my house were infected.'

(footnote here. A leprosy infection of a HOUSE is what we today would call MILDEW. Yes, this is going to get good.)

The priest shall then order the house to be cleared out before he goes in to examine the infection, lest everything in the house become unclean. Only after this is he to go in to examine the house.

(I know I always throw all my shit in the front yard whenever my bathroom needs cleaning.)

If the priest, on examining it, finds that the infection on the walls of the house consists of greenish or reddish depressions which seem to go deeper than the surface of the wall, he shall close the door of the house behind him and quarantine the house for seven days.

(because we all know mildew and mold always dies after leaving it alone for 7 days)

On the seventh day the priest shall return to examine the house again. If he finds that the infection has spread on the walls, he shall order the infected stones to be pulled out and cast in an unclean place outside the city.

(this is the same place to put the women-folk when they're on the rag, BTW)

The whole inside of the house shall then be scraped, and the mortar that has been scraped off shall be dumped in an unclean place outside the city.

(The bible is more redundant than my posts, eh GaG?)

Then new stones shall be brought and put in the place of the old stones, and new mortar shall be made and plastered on the house.

(yes, yes. get on with it)

If the infection breaks out once more after the stones have been pulled out and the house has been scraped and replastered, the priest shall come again; and if he finds that the infection has spread in the house, it is corrosive leprosy, and the house is unclean.

(oh dear, what do we do about corrosive leprosy?)

It shall be pulled down, and all its stones, beams and mortar shall be hauled away to an unclean place outside the city.

Whoever enters a house while it is quarantined shall be unclean until evening.

(Yes, because we all know mildew goes away at night)

Whoever sleeps or eats in such a house shall also wash his garments.

(Preferably wash them in mildew)

If the priest finds, when he comes to examine the house, that the infection has in fact not spread after the plastering, he shall declare the house clean, since the infection has been healed.

(Praise the Lord!)

...Now here comes the good part!

To purify the house, he shall take two birds, as well as cedar wood, scarlet yarn, and hyssop. One of the birds he shall SLAY over an earthen vessel with spring water in it.

Then, taking the cedar wood, the hyssop and the scarlet yarn, together with the living bird, he shall dip them all in the blood of the slain bird and the spring water, and sprinkle the house seven times.

(Yes, because mildew hates it when you use a living bird drenched in dead bird blood as a kind of fucked up paint brush. But bonus points for using such an avant-garde method for interior design)

Thus shall he purify the house with the bird's blood and the spring water, along with the living bird, the cedar wood, the hyssop, and the scarlet yarn.

He shall then let the living bird fly away over the countryside outside the city. When he has thus made atonement for it, the house will be clean.

(to live the rest of it's birdy days in complete and total utter horror)

Just look at the books of Joshua and Judges -- deity-approved genocide on an epic scale.

Even the tale of passover includes deity sending an angel of death to kill innocent first-born children.

It's pretty clear that, sometimes anyway, the Judeo-Christian deity approves of "killing everything that breaths."

All that is left to debate is upon whom such righteous and deity-approved wrath can be focused.

Once one accepts the premise of the existence of the Judeo-Christian deity; and that the Torah/Tanakh/Bible is its inspired word -- there is no longer a debate on whether or not it is sometimes "right" to commit mass genocide; but rather just a debate on the target and details.

As you have said -- read the Bible for yourself.

God gets mocked all the time, and the only negative thing that's ever happened as a result was at the hand of man. As paraphrase Dawkins, we both have to wait to see if the celestial teapot isn't real either, but you know what? I'll got out on a limb here and say it's pretty fucking unlikely.

I'm certainly not criticizing a bunch of primitive lunatics for their innane rituals. What I'm criticizing is anyone today thinking these rituals have any merit.

In no way, is the book of Leviticus the basis for US law. The reason for this is because US law is derived from British law, and British law predates the introduction of Christianity to that island. This isn't Willy talking, this is Thomas Jefferson's argument. To quote him, in a letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, Feb. 10, 1814: "the conversion of the first Christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here, then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it."

However, if you think that cedar, hyssop, and bird's blood is an ideal way to clean your bathroom, by all means have at it. Perhaps you can set up a controlled experiment between using this innane ritual and say a bottle of bleach. Just don't ask me to help you haul your shit out to your front yard.

Yes Willy, you have found someone that makes you look reasonable and rational in comparison. rofl

Like you, I find all religions to be equally laughable. They all claim to be the "Word of God", but they were all written by unknown human beings, not deities. There are the ocassional exceptions like L Ron Hubbard and Joseph Smith, but by and large they all use the same mumbo jumbo.

The one thing that I am absolutely certain of is that billions of people are dead wrong on this issue. Rather than try to pick out which religion actually "got it right", I am going to stick with my agnostic beliefs and continue to laugh at the people who live out their entire lives in a misguied effort to please a non existent God.

Ok Marikod, where do I send my dollar for the "Willholics" fund?

If one believes in heaven one believes in hell. Who is this 'people' you're talking about? To die for the LORD'S cause is said to be a 'great ticket'. Killing in GOD'S name is a direct given to the elevator to hell.

and i think Anton's dogma is fanatic BS. Anymore questions?

This will make you chuckle.

Joseph Smith translated the "Golden Plates" using a God given power(urrim and thummin). He was told where the plates were by an Angel. Where were they? In a hillside in NY. Why didn't God choose Liorr?

on his BlackBerry. lol

Did you ever see the South Park episode on Mormons? Fucking hilarious, and Matt and Trey are probably experts on the subject, I haven't seen their musical about the Mormon church, but I bet you it's hysterical.

dum de dum dum dummm..... lmao

but I don't see how it can be anymore ridiculous than "mainstream" religions. To someone that had never heard of either Christianity or Anton's Church of Satan, if they were to read either the Christian "Holy Bible" or Anton's "The Satanic Bible", I doubt that an objective reader would find one more credible than the other. I surely don't find the "Holy Bible" to be anything more that a third rate, totally unbelievable, and incredibly long novel. I can't see how anyone could take either book literally.

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LaVey's Satanism was nothing more than Objectivism, except with an anti-Christian bent.

I've always just found it a bit odd that people who praise things like greed would join a religious community based in part on Satan.

Unexpected honesty is always refreshing, lol.

Recommended reading: "The Virtue of Selfishness" by Ayn Rand.

You can look to Common Law, Frisian Law and Brehon Law -- all of which have elements pre-dating the introduction of Jewish-derived monotheistic faiths into their lands.

Some of these laws stood intact until 1,000 CE in Iceland. And murder was still not condoned; even though a Judeo-Islamo-Christian rabbi/imam/priest had not gotten around to enlightening them.

This point, made by Jefferson, is extremely important in refuting claims that America is specifically a "Christian Nation."

If you look to the Constitution, the First Amendment allows ALL religion and prohibits NONE -- but the body of the Constitution guarantees access to the Common Law as inherited from Britain.

While, no doubt, people with various religious views have sought to embody those views in statute law; or even in judicial decisions or legal techniques.

As an example, look to the Institute of American and Talmudic Law (http://www.iatlaw.org/Default.aspx?link=speakers), whose courses qualify is "Continuing Legal Education" for lawyers who are allegedly involved in a legal system in which there is supposed to be a separation between church and state.

As another example, look at the numerous Christian law schools out there that SPECIFICALLY put forth law from a Christian perspective. (http://www.tiu.edu/law/ , http://www.avemarialaw.edu/ , http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/ , and Jerry Falwell even founded one: http://www.law.liberty.edu/ )

So there is, quite clearly, an attempt by people of various religious stripes to specifically infuse American law with Christian, Jewish, etc. legal ideals.

But it should be understood that the Western World *already had law* before the coming of the monotheistic faiths.

I will leave it to others for now to ascertain the affects of the pre-Judeo-Islamo-Christian polytheistic and pantheistic faiths of the Western World on the early development of Frisian, Brehon and British Common Law.

And ... meanwhile ... take a look at CHINA. Well before the infusion of monotheistic faiths originating in Southwest Asia (a/k/a "the Middle East"); China had an extensive and well developed legal system.

And -- even further; even in Southwest Asia, there were legal codes that pre-existed those introduced with Judaism.

For example, the Code of Hammurabi, Code of Ur-Nammu and the Laws of Eshnunna -- ALL of which contain prohibitions/punishments pertaining to sex offenses, theft, bodily injury, etc.

The later Mosaic law, in many cases, pulls straight from these laws originating in polytheistic societies.

So, Willy has hit upon a truly important point of our law's origin having been independent of, and predating, the expansion of Southwest Asian monotheistic creeds.

who else would hire him?

I have a hard time reading Rand. I get the same reaction from watching 2 girls 1 cup I'm afraid. Sorry John. Care to summerize?

The only one who does ask is Lucifer.

The number of people killed in "God's name" whatever you want to call him, whether God, Christ, Allah, etc, the number runs in the countless millions. How many people have been killed in Lucifers name? Not many I would venture to guess.

Who knows, maybe Satanism is preferable to Christianity? It couldn't be much worse.