If hobbyists would not pee down their pants when LE contacts them with the "why have you been in contact with known prostitutes" question but excercise their 5th Ammendment Rights, the domino effect, which leads from client to provider to more clients to more providers, would cease to be a successful investigative strategy for LE.

The answer to a question like that is to say NOTHING. Do not be defensive. Do not lie. Do not make excuses. Do not try to placate. Making false statments or "mis-statements" in and of itself will get you into serious trouble. Let a lawyer do your talking.

Likewise if provders would be careful not to say, post, or "tweet" anything that constitutes and "admission against interest", draws unwanted attention, or implicates hobbyists, and if they would be careful about what records they keep, including those that lead to other providers, it would not be so easy to roll up provider, her clients, other providers, more clients, more providers etc etc etc.

Folks in the DC area have gotten way to "comfortable" - even undisciplined - about what they spread around, who they talk too, even what they say back channel. If you do not realize that there is an LE presence on these boards it's time to get a clue.

For providers and hobbyists who do not want to be a part of the problem or be caught up in the current unpleasantness, realize several things:

Drugs and the hobby cannot coexist. Introducing drugs into the picture brings the hobby to the attention of some very serious and capable investigators and makes it easier to find and prosecute hobbyists and providers. People who do, buy and sell drugs are participating in a venture that is very un-private and indiscreet.

Problems in the personal life of a provider make her vulnerable to LE and make her clients vulnerable as well. This includes personal or relationship drama, behaviors other than the hobby that put her on LE radar, personal relationship drama, and prior arrests. She will forever be on the radar once she has been previously charged.

Providers need to insist on good screening. One thing that is NOT good screening in view of LE strategy is "real name and workplace verification". Useless.

Clients need to observe good communication and contact protocols - be discreet. Blend in. And above all watch the back channel talk. PMs and the RO/PO board are not invisible to LE.

Clients need to manage their personal lives as well. Do not be sloppy. An enraged SO who hires a private investigator and puts a key logger onto his system and from there onto the systems of providers can gather very damaging information which can be and often is passed on to LE.

If you want to be a part of the solution and not a part of the problem

if you want to be forearmed in case LE shows an interest in you

I  HIGHLY recommend that you take thirty minutes out of your life and watch the linked video by law professor James Duane on the 5th Ammendment.

If we don't want things to spiral totally out of control some of us had better wise up and get serious about protecting ourselves and one another.

Do not list specific services on your website

use a disclaimer ie "this is not an offer of prostitution". At the very least this removes the usability by LE of your website alone when going to a court to get warrants....

Do not show your face on your website. Nor any other unique identifying details. I know guys want this but you have to decide just how much risk you are willing to take for money

Be careful about making overtly sexually suggestive statemetns ANYWHERE - your website, board posts, PMs emails.

SCREEN WELL even if it drives some guys away. Some of the guys you WONT see will be LE

Number one reason for screening is the bad clients!

Of Course, Very good and useful information that we all need!

You only need one time for some Law Dog to say.."do you understand these rights as I have read them to you."  UUUUGGGGG!!!

Thanks

and they will calculate that the time and expenditure for a $250 fine and "John School" is not worth it to them.

Understand your 5th ammendment rights and USE them and they will move on to someone else. It's not worth it to LE to spend thousands of dollars on YOU for hobbying.

MOST hobbyist fold up and cry like little babies. Offer up other providers to get off the hook. Hell they'd sell their goddamn mommas lol.

Don't be one of them. Man up and use your 5th ammendment rights. It won't be worth their trouble when they are having to deal with a stony faced lawyer who has no personal investment.

Even if they are not LE some clients will harm the girls even with references.
It's an unfortunate fact.
I have been lucky.
Others not so much.

"May I ask why you are interested in my business?"

then silence.

If they ask a more detailed question:

"Do you suspect me of comitting a crime?"

If the cop answers yes then state that you will be willing to discuss the matter only with your attorney present

if no then simply state it is none of his business, TYVM and have a good day.

circulating in the hobby in the mid atlantic and northeast especially

Screening should in my view be tuned first and foremost to avoiding LE

but in reality it is the dangerous element that will do you more actual harm so this aspect should not be neglected....

http://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/racialjustice/rp_bustcard_eng_20090929.pdf

FINALLY someone else who gets it! - Where we STAND on this

nqbs :

Thank you...

What you're saying here, we've been saying in the Fantasys Network a LONG time. I've posted it here before but I've even blogged on many of the same concepts :

http://dreamsescortblogs.com/blogs/escort-industry-news/its-all-predictable-things-you-do-not-do-in-the-escort-business.htm

Every client is thoroughly screened by FantasysClientScreening.com and provider references are NOT accepted. History has proven vouching (ie - Date*heck & some others ) is not screening and it is a fundamentally flawed system as many providers will tell you who have been "set up" by tainted providers, in various markets. We know this for a fact, we've been watching it happen since 2001.

In the market place we've always said, "raise your standards" don't do stupid things because everyone else does it. For example putting blatant descriptive terms on your website which leaves absolutely no room for reasonable doubt. Doing incalls in your house, or fixed long term leased location. Being involved with drugs or having relationships with people who are or being indiscreet in a hotel. Unlike other agencies we don't show our associates faces nor do we have explicit photos either. As a business model we don't  have our number on the website. You want our "real human" answered number ? Get screened first. Sure, this reduces our volume and that's acceptable, because when everyone else is trembling in fear, we continue to prudently and discreetly tend to the needs of our clients.

We protect and guard our clients  just as vehemently as we do our associates.  Therefore, there are certain risky fluid transfer practices our associates will not engage in simply because it DOES endanger the public health.

This is a business which often attracts individuals with the least amount of character, self discipline and integrity. As an agency owner there are lines I will NOT cross. This is my chosen career, this is a craft as far as I'm concerned. Yes, I'm in this for the money, but only under very specific conditions. If those conditions are not met and compromising my integrity and the safety of an associate or client is required, FORGET IT. I pass up a lot of business because of this.

Thank you for your posting, it's about time someone else made a clear stand on the very things I, my business partner Mike (Fantasys!) and other members of the Fantasys Network have been saying for years.

"Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but we rather have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit."

~ Aristotle ~
(384 BC – 322 BC)

This my public stance on the issue, I make no apologies for it nor do I foresee changing it.

Sincerely,


Lee Dreams

DreamsEscortService.com MD-DC-VA
DivineCompanions.com







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All true and valid points... however... LE is not a dumb as people would have you believe! They look for the weak links intentionally.. .those whom they can apply preasure to in subtle ways...

Usually, if someone is married they resort to threats of making the information public or perhaps other means of intimidation. The whole business is unpleasant which is why I refuse to use agencies...

Screening is not a big deal since I never share complete info... usually a provider reference is satisfactory enough. The fact is... one day some jackass wil spill the beans and there is nothing you /we can do to avoid it except for look ouit for #1.

Fog

Y'all are doing a good job for LE with all this hype about busts & STD's. It was starting to get hard to get an appt. in the DC area without a several day lead time. Some of us appreciate the help in weeding out the heard. I have also heard it is hard to get rooms due to the Cherry Blossom Tourists.

that just because you are paranoid does not mean that they are NOT out to get you

and its corollary

those who are paranoid and ACT ON IT

rarely get GOT

I do not see how a reminder to hobby safely and use good common sense counts as fearmongering

but

if it drives away those who are unprepared to deal with the realities we are all the better for it...

having real info that can be used to hold a gent accountable for his behavior is a deterrent against unruly behavior and a way to prevent predators from being able to get away with victimizing providers.

in the narrrow context of this post I merely point out that screening "Newbies" or whoever on the basis of "real name" and "employment verification" alone is not adequate protection against LE. LE has successfully penetrated this kind of screening *alone* on several occasions that I know of directly and a few more that I know of indirectly.

"Survival of the fittest"

Side note: (Not that anyone really cares)
Which Darwin then used in Origin of Species the edition published in 1869.

Darwin meant it is a metaphor for "better adapted for immediate, local environment", not the common inference of "in the best physical shape".


Lee Dreams

I had a VIP client who needed "time" today and because of what going on in town (downtown DC)I took the "loss" by the time our associate is compensated.

The point being variable costs fluctuate and as in any other business. This weekend for specific clients I'll bite the bullet in the short term for the long term gain. This is the nature of the Washington DC Market. Yes it sucks and I feel you.

Sincerely,


Lee Dreams

within individuals in a species or situation, includes physical conditioning.

it is after all the weak aged and stupid that generally feed the predator

and in certain contexts which we may have roughly in common

physical conditioning and preparation make the difference in terms of who comes home standing on his own two hind legs.....

I'm making changes.

Don't blame you, so many traits are common.

as part of this series of posts. LOL
That being said- lots of interesting discussion.

This Board is ALL about scams and bad girls and 411's.

Is DC the highest scammed city in America? Anyone have a stat on that??  

I think maybe this is a subtle way to say that DC has some serious issues.


I really like the gentlemen I have met in DC, but, I feel very stressed on this board...who knows maybe it will have more positive posts now that spring is here and the nasty winter is over! I certainly am a lot more happier winter is over!!
I know it's the GUY'S board. I respect that....that's why I may excuse myself from this board in the future.
 
But,  I am looking foward to my trip coming up...



Take care everyone, and I do wish safety for ALL of us!


xoxoxoxox


K

Just noticed  nqbs   is an ALIAS.

PM me I know of a place......I'm going...


We can check out the pretty blossoms!  

Sigh.....

Are you a medical professional? You sure throw around some terms.  Why the alias?

We are grown ups and we don't need a reminder from an alias.  You seem like you have a "control issue".

Yikes!  





Hobbyist and Provider 101....LOL

I think in DC is easier to get one over on the guys. More of the guys here have more to lose than most cities - at least in their own minds. Politicians, spooks, etc...

There is also plenty of money here, and lord knows money and brains cannot co-exist.