As noted in a recent post, the area seems to be seeing many more touring indies recently.
I would love to see many of them. But, the rates in many cases are significantly above the local standard: 375, 400, 500, and upwards for an hour.
Some even have 2 hour minimums. Unfortunately,these rates are over my limits.
Just an observation on my part, but I wonder how many of these tours are successful.

these ladies are typically independent because they want a higher rate and to keep all the money.  Most agencies do not want to try to market girls at these high rates because the higher rates means less volume and a harder sell.  

My observation over the years is that these independents are more mature ladies that want total control over their pricing and schedule.  They do not want to be a part of an agency's system.  I have fond that these ladies typically offer nothing that cannot be found at the 300 level except the illusion of "low volume" whatever that means to the buyer despite however nice their marketing makes them seem...

Are they taking home $10k a week like the girls who work for the agencies and see 50 clients in a 5 day span?

Perhaps not.

But I would say that most providers are inclined to working like that for too long, there is just no way to sustain it.

Providers who provide at higher listed rates survive because some clients would prefer to pay for the peace of mind of knowing that they aren't #6 at 3 because the girl has been working every hour on the hour since 10 courtesy of the mini review DC agency hype machines.

Girls wouldn't return to DC month after month if they didn't find some success here.

"It depends on what your definition of successful is".
"Are they taking home $10k a week like the girls who work for the agencies and see 50 clients in a 5 day span?"


  Two appointments a day at $800,5 days a week. 8,000 a week minus expenses of 2,000 for incall and new shoes,not counting the occasional 5k overnighter. She might make less money than a agency queen,however her stress level is usually much lower.Money isn't everything and to some people it means nothing.In some people's eyes, $800 is candy pocket change.

They claim to be low volume and thus are more flexible with time. In my experience, this is generally true when I'm visiting their cities. They don't look at the clock and on several occasions I've spent close to 2 hours on one-hour appointments. If we click, time is never the issue. However, when they are touring, they see far more clients because they need to cover their expense: airfare, hotel, food, taxi, etc.

I'll give you an example: I originally had an appointment around noon with a top provider (she's on TER's top 100 list) this week. Yesterday, my boss told me I have to attend an emergency meeting on the morning of our appointment. I asked her if we could push our appointment an hour later. She said no so obviously she'd already scheduled someone right after me. A few hours later, my boss told me he rescheduled the emergency meeting. I quickly e-mailed her and told her we could meet at our originally scheduled time. She told me she already scheduled someone else in my place. Does this look like "low volume" to you?

bitch about the rate of course

Lina

There are many reasons touring and local ladies choose to be Independent. Yes, not splitting a fee is certainly a factor....but that is probably not the primary reason.  Security is important...screening by agencies driven by volume sometimes skimps on strict protocal...many ladies prefer to do this on their own or entrust it to a reliable booker [ who is often someone they personaly know]..plus many fear agencies are more likely to be targeted by LE than an Independent .  Also , yes, they can control their volume and also have the freedom to spend a little extra time with a gent if they please.  Often ladies on tour rather it be with an agency or on their own will get a little lonely and might be open to an after session drink or bite to eat with a gent she feels comfortable with...an agency babe will catch hell for "socializing" off the clock.   Keep in mind , an agency babe has absolutely no control as to whom she sees....an Independent can and will often make her decicision as to who to book with on more criteria than references.  There are some very good agencies out there...but there are many that are no more than organizations opererated by individuals who have the mindset of a pimp...they can be demanding..controling..threathening and sometimes even dangerous.  A previous poster asked why an agency would not allow outcalls....well...an outcall eats time...hell they might lose an hour or two worth of bookings due to travel time.  I must also contend that age is not much of a factor....I suppose quite a few ladies might begin with an agency but once they figure out how things work they strike out on their own.  But there are many...many 20 & 30 somethings with plenty of savy who reject the agency girl life.  I have no prob with agencies..I have used them...but you are really missing out thinking there is no difference...hence look at your reviews...few stellar experiences reported.   I absolutely agree that rates are not always an indicator of level of quality and service...but often, they are...and again, you are missing out on something rather extraordinary.  Now keep in mind , my perspective comes from someone who  values ,respects and appreciates those of the oldest profession...and who really is not driven by simply the " boom boom".  So we are probably different in that way.

Lesson #2  Many ladies charge the higher rates [ lets say 450+ ] for a couple reasons.  Firstly because they are selective as to who they see.  Right or wrong they feel it eliminates a certain element of clients, and enhances the chances of booking with gents that have some maturity when it comes to the hobby.  Now, don't attack me on that point. I do not necessarily agree with that perspective. Secondly it does position them to be lower volume should they so choose. Thirdly it also allows them to stay at higher end hotels.   To be honest, I have seen quite a few ladies in the plus 400 range. Some are absolutely worth it  [my God...if you ever get a chance to see Nikki Avalon rob a bank to get the $500] Non rushed very GFE session with an angel  Some, are not. But the same can be said for any pricing level. I've seen babes at 250-300 that knocked my socks off..others that made me wish I'd stayed home.   I actually think the higer fee ladies are a better investment when YOU are traveling and they are providing an out call for ya.  Some of my best hobbying experiences have been with 400-500 even 700 babes who knocked softly on my door. Some of those sessions scheduled for 1 hour at their above the norm rate have lasted for hours.  I just want to say don't be too quick to judge.  Everyone is a little diff...every lady needs to set her own standards.  Sometimes there is more than one right answer

When I am at my home town, I consider anything more than 3-4 appointments a week to be higher volume.  Of course majority of those last a lot longer than 1h, I don't have travel expense and not stuck in hotel room.

When I travel, almost all appointments are 1h, and I have added expense.  So I had to arrive to optimal number of appointments per day while traveling.  For me seems to be 3 a day.  This is that magic number that allows me to make $$$ and not get burned out.

Problem is, usually when I plan traveling I would get at least 3 or 4 requests for same time slots.  Most popular times are 8am - noon.  If you really want unrushed relaxed service, aim for evening appointments

Lina

I started with an agency and went independent as I want to control MY environment and who I see.  I didn't like not knowing anything about the person coming to the door or the review where I was given a "6" for performance because the agency had the guy wait 45 mins in the parking lot.  As an independent I can travel, control my volume, control the content of my ads and generally represent myself in the way I want to be represented.  

As far as keeping all the profit for ourselves, sure who doesn't want to keep what they work for?  If an agency is on the ball and doing ALL the things they are suppose to in order to keep their providers safe, in good environments, answering the phones, not overbooking or making folks wait, advertising well, etceteras...  then they deserve their cut.  We don't just wake up pretty and ready to fuck (excuse the language).  As an indie we are running a business and there's a LOT that goes into it that you just can't realize not being in our shoes.  

As far as the tours being successful, if they weren't they wouldn't be there.  

Firstly, WHAT is low volume?  After that, it seems you assume that she is booking from morning to night and has no other considerations in her life.  Perhaps she couldn't push later because she had a conference call with her mom's caretaker, or because she was having lunch with a friend, or wanted to video chat with her kids or their teachers.   I tour, I can't work ALL day and there are times of the day (lunch, 530pm...) that are very popular.  Some days I might only see one or two clients due to what else I may have planned but I had valid 12 requests for those times slots and on those days if you have to cancel, I can replace you in moments.

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What would you do with the other 10 ?   LOL...Sorry...I just couldn't resist !

There is always some truth to the "you get what you pay for" theory.  IMHO, anything over 4 a day is agency work.  That said, I prefer independents - local over touring but hardly adverse to touring - and 300 is close to minimum for quality (there are exceptions, of course).  Those looking for porn star rates of 500-1000 an hour are of no interest to me, though I can certainly afford it.  I didn't retire early by making that kind of investment, lol.  Just my 2 cents...

The few high end providers I've seen are very bad about telling time if they like you.  I've found 500/hr, 2 hr minimum really means "1000 for as long as I choose to stay", and they often stay a very generous couple hrs.

They often are women who truly do this for more than the $ (not saying the $ doesn't matter) and want the freedom to decide who and when and how long.  That's much harder to do if they're working with an agency that has to manage times for the women, times for the incall that several providers share, etc.

The other issue is what does an agency do for the provider:  advertizing, reputation of the agency, scheduling, provide the incall location.  IF a provider decides the higher price business model works for her and she has an established clientel (which might be only a handful of regulars) then the need for an agency to do those things for her is less.

I think the OP was a bit skewed to one side of the argument.  I am sure the description he gave is accurate for some, but it doesn't fit the ones I've seen.

Always nice to see a provider ad input and give their perspective.