but dont think we are above average compared to other areas. This is a hunch to be sure and is based solely on stories from girls in other areas.

Since we  have such a high level of activity around here(see EROS for current listings)there is a greater number of opportunities. So it may well be true there are a lot of bad players here. More so than in other areas who prey on independents because they think they can.

It is in everyones' best interest to out these creeps when verifiable evidence is received and I have encouraged girls to do so on the appropriate boards.

What you're saying is accurate, don't get me wrong, but dc is what it is. Man (or woman) up or go home. NY is a freak show, I would never live there.

Tell the client you have to use the bathroom and count the money, before the appointment starts.

Always count the money for all appointments even if the guy is a repeat. I heard some stories were a guy will see a provider multiple times, then the last time he see her he shorts her.

Demand that clients put cash in ziplock bags.

I utr provider told me that TER customers are best. She has had no problems with them.

Had an interesting conversation during a recent appointment. Well reviewed touring provider who has no plans to return to DC. Said on this trip alone she had been shorted multiple times and had multi hour dates canceled, even an overnight - dates she had her schedule set around - to the point where she might only break even on the nice hotel she booked.

She talked about other cities she toured, New York in particular where she said she had never found a short envelope. Her opinion of working our fair city is not good to say the least. This was very sad to hear as this was a session for the record books that I may never have the opportunity to repeat.

It also echoed the sentiments of another touring girl, again very well known/reviewed/respected, who told me similar things last year. I don't believe she's been back since that trip, i see she is on as east coast swing as we speak and do not see DC in her itinerary.

I can also think of a 3rd lady, who didn't tell me anything like this, but who I know frequently travels to New York and New Jersey, but has not been back here in over a year. If business was good, why stay away?

I guess there's not much we can do about this, and I'm sure most guys are on the up and up, but this goes beyond just ladies giving bad references and blacklisting the goons, we have great providers who are just tired of dealing with what appears to be a rampant problem in this area and refusing to return.

i completely understand that, other than the first lady I mentioned that told me first hand she is not coming back, I am making suppositions on the other two (although the second did tell me of her experiences) but i'm just curious if anyone has heard similar? Is DC actually notably worse than other markets for providers?

Just a curious question.  When they say DC, do they also include Baltimore and the BWI area??

Don't feel a need to post this under an alias....actually I never use an alias. If I have something to contribute I just do it.  The fact is several touring faves have told me they will no longer be coming to DC.  Cancelations....no shows...short envelopes...bad clients.  It is a sad reality.

Awhile ago used to be local agency's high profile magazine girl told me a similar story. She said she was having a 2 (or 3?) hours date with a repeat client, she didn't look at the envelope initially of course. Working very hard to please and to satisfy this repeat client every second for 2 hours. At the end, found out there were all dollar bills in the envelope.
Now she left Classy and works as indy somewhere else. Probably never come back!

I don't see too many independents anymore but a friend I have in the business said she only comes back to DC area for pleasure no longer for work because of short evelopes or on one case some counterfeit money its horrible a few bad apples spoil it for the rest of us. But hopefully the ladies see it as a good sign for the few gents out there who are honest but I don't blame them for their actions

I have been told similar things during a few of my sessions with ladies. It all sounds like a general lack of respect for women. Providers are ladies first and from I've been told some guys are just RUDE. Believing since they paid they can treat them in a disrespectful manner if they choose. Then they are still are expecting some kind of great performance and when she is turned off and gives less than what they read about in reviews, they leave a very bad review of her further hurting their business. If I were a provider this would be very upsetting scenario and would not encourage me to return.

i always try to give an opportunity for the provider to skim the envelope,  i.e. i use the bathroom after setting it down.  i also use big bills so it can be checked via a very quick glance.   do providers appreciate the opportunity to check?  i notice that sometimes the envelope is gone when i come back and sometimes it looks untouched.   i would die of embarrassment if i ever fucked up the envelope.

I have heard similar things ... but the thing that I don't understand at all is how come it is "Multiple"

Providers should always ask for more than one reference and actually freggin check them...  Biranna just posted this week about getting saved by contacting refs....  it should be standard practice...

When it happens (once) Providers should out the jerk on the provider board.. And providers its on you to actually read that board, just as it is on us to do the "Rip off" report so we don't get burned...

The long duration cancellations are another oddity I don't get, personally I think anything over 2 hours is cause for alarm if you

a) never saw the jerk
b) don't typically get called for that

Maybe its the economy that is making providers just grab any appointment they can get, and not do checks... when no refs are checked, its atleast a 50% chance you will get burned "Multiple" times

Personally I have no sympathy for "Multiple" times.... run the back office like a business and this should only happen but once or twice..  I think "Didn't you get burned by the stove once? umm why do you alow it to happen again" (If one of us got burned by every rip off artist who has come through, don't you think we would get laughed off the board?)

There are so many ways to get creative to solve these problems...

i.e make the person take a shower and um peek in the envelope to find out if they are a jerk... or when someone wants a longer time than norm, its only after an inital encounter...  and then you have to feel that request out and see if its real... (Maybe get a deposit?) Cancellations will happen, that is a fact of this business...

In the end if you get burned and you don't learn from the mistake, then the obvious to everyone else will happen...

Of course not, just suggesting a reason.

I agree with Sswede. The percentage is higher I think due to the large demand. I do not understand why guys feel that they pay so they can be assholes. Makes it tuff for us Southern Gentlemen. Economy affects everything. No money at home = no pussy at home. Lot of guys really can not afford it so when they do spring for a meeting they think they can treat THERE guest any way they want. I wonder how many of the bad have reviewed providers? This may be a well for someone to tell a little.

I wholly do not condone shorting a provider.

Never done it, Never will.

I have heard of providers showing up to places of work when getting shorted and giving them hell - so be warned.

Personally, I'd like to see some of these "men" be held accountable for screwing it up for the rest of us, but I think it would do more harm to the providers.

I understand that sometimes a client will be running late in D.C. due to our hellacious traffic here. Please have to common decency to call the provider to let you know that you are running late.

I think if clients treated their providers with the same respect that they would their RL Girlfriends/Wives then much of this would be a non issue and you both probably would have a better experience IMHO.

Luckily gals there are blacklists for these sorts of things. I wonder how effective they are.

Any thoughts?

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...and I have not been shorted by anyone, but I've had MULTIPLE cancellations, a couple fairly last minute.  One canceled to "do a friend a favor" instead; he had booked literally a week before, and in the meantime, I had turned down 2 other people for his time slot.  I don't schedule many appointments per day - I'm a squirter, and I need to let the bed dry between clients! - so the cancellations really hurt.

I understand that sometimes you can't help but cancel, but I also think that SOME hobbyists think that their time is important than mine.  Perhaps this is a common attitude in a city full of "important" people??

Will I come back?  Probably - despite the cancellations, it has been profitable.  However, it will probably be a while.

Nice to hear from a provider, thanks for chiming in.

Obviously cancellations can go both ways, i've actually been canceled on 4 times in the past month. They are all highly regarded locals, I have no reason to doubt them, but there you are.

I've also heard some of the same from touring girls, one from New York who said she didn't have to screen there. She had gotten to a point where she could tell based on contact who was serious and who wasn't. She also said LE wasn't really an issue there. I'm not suggesting this is a strategy, she was screening here as she was aware of the increase in LE activity, but she was probably not contacting references (just using verification services) and as a result was getting shorted and canceled on.

I wonder on the shorting if guys have built up a few references they use over and over so feel if they can keep making appointements and getting away with it. Hmmmm? One girl I booked recently had the good sense to look at my date-check and ask if I had anything more recent than 6 months ago.

basically, from things I've heard, I feel the DC market has a higher proportion of these issues. And to the concern the original poster was, I think, trying to make, there may be many fish in the sea, but when you catch a 14 foot marlin that's the one you want to look at again and again.

i would be willing to pay a fee for at cancelling at the last minute.   most hotels do thiis.  i think if a provider cancels on a client, there should be some consideration as well.   i know that payment/collection would be a hassle for those who want to remain anonymous.  perhzps some internet entrepeneur will invite an anonymous PayPal for this purpose.  

i have only cancelled once and i gave a weeks notice.   if an emergency were to force me to cancel with no notice,  I think half of the envelope would a fair fee.   A hotel wold charge me the full rate.

ive only had one provider cancel on me at the last minute.   she offered nothing but an insincere apology,   even though i was at the hotel when she cancelled.   had she said.  "im sorry for the inconvenience, next time is half off" she would have me back as a repeat customer.  i was pissed cause i drove 100 miles one way for the meetup, which is $100 by my company travel policy.

what if a provider is touring and books a hotel and you are her only appointment that nite?   had you cancelled in advance she may have adjusted her travel plans to save hotel expenses.  

i hope i am never in the position to need to make a last minute cancel,  but if i am, and it is a provider i care about and want to repeat with, i would feel compelled to offer something.

...but perhaps they should consider that cancellations push up rates.  If I have to pay for a hotel, I have to cover the cost one way or another.  And if I can't count on all of my appointments showing up, then I'm gonna have to charge the ones that do show up more.  

Just saying.

Haste maketh screwups....  Sorry. Now the real reply.

This is another of those topics that have, and will continue, to resurface. Several years ago in Cleveland a local board (you can tell by the rates) went crazy over the topic to the point that a hobby buddy of mine and I came up with a solution. Not feasible but at least a little humorous. So please take it that way.

We did take a little flack over this but our responce to that was....  "then do something about it!"