I've recently had a considerable number of callers who initially are extrememly psyched to be talking to me about scheduling, later express how disgruntled they are by my screening process, saying things like "no one else asks so many questions" and I've ended up having to decline to schedule with them if they can't provide the info I need. This got me wondering whether as a result of the overwhelming number of providers there are in our area, in addition to undercutting the general donation standard, is there now a nonchalance on the part of providers about their screening process?

Geez - we all thought the gift rate was going up - who's undercutting? Just joking.

I would be curious to know what your screening standards are?

We've all been screened at some point or another - well, with the exception of those who only go to AMP's. The process varies from one to the next and the only time I've seen it become and issue and invasive is when asking race and weight - and some take offense to age (old age that is).

But, if you could provide what it is you are asking - then you will get better feedback from the group.

And I still what to know whose undercutting?

Opps - Sorry - I just noticed you use Date Check. Well, I probably wouldn't see you if it required me to give up to a 3rd party the information they require and store into a database regardless of confidentiality. I know it not to say the booking person who might work for you and asks the same things doesn't store it someplace or possibly gives it up to an LE watch list.

The most I've been asked was my full name and work phone number which they verified by calling. So, I'm not a good example I guess. And to be honest - once I was asked if I had any provider references, I gave my TER handle and was told to come on over.



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I think it is important for the provider and hobbyist to both feel comfortable with the arrangement.  If the hobbyist is unwilling to provide the info requested by the provider, the hobbyist should move on to someone else - no hard feelings between the two - just not the right situation.

Some providers are a lot more careful than others.  And different hobbyists have different ideas about what info they feel comfortable providing.

By the way, Denise - I think I might be giving you a call in the near future.  

The screening process varies from city to city.  In Philly and NY where the LE activities are more active, the screening is tighter than in DC where LE activities have been almost unheard of recently. I heard that the LE activities in Chicago is so high that getting through the screening from providers is harder than geting security clearance from CIA.

The screening process is also different between indes and agencies.  Agencies are more concerned about LE than safety becuase they provide a buddy system for safety.  Agencies generatlly ask for verification of name and work only to assure the clients aren't LE.  Indes work alone and must be more concerned about safety than LE and so the screening is more intrusive and often require references.  There is inherent disavandtage for indes becuase the tighter screening will turn away many potential clients.  On the other hand, indes are much safer from LE because they are moving target hard to catch.

Sorry to hear about your booking experiences, but on the other side of the fence, I don't agree with either one of your perceived trends.  The "general donation standard" appears to have noticeably risen lately.....for both locals and visiting ladies, and I haven't seen any "nonchalance on the part of providers about their screening process".  It seems relatively constant.  Like many things, there is probably a bell curve with some ladies wanting a LOT of info, others being content with a "reasonable amount", while there are probably also others who are willing to take greater risks.

Personally, I only see those who I feel are content with a "reasonable amount"....which I define as at least two verifiable and known references.  If someone tells me that she needs things like full name, work number, home address, etc., I politely decline and move on.

In this "hobby", we all have to make our own "risk choices".  Whatever each of us chooses is just that.....our choice and none of us should take someone else's choices personally.

When I called you asked for the same information other provider asked for. I have meet some provider that had zero verifications, I try to stay away from them.

For your safety and peace of mind don't lower your standards.. There are some fools out there.. All dollars are not good dollars if you get my drift.

Now if you only visit D.C once in a while?? LOL

Some cities I screen until I am comfortable and in others I simply entertain no new clients. Do what makes you feel comfortable. I also apologize prior to screening because I know it will un-nerve some guys. I agree with not compromising what you need to feel comfortable. As far as under cutting, it has been my experience that lowering a "suggested gift" after a gentleman has seen you on a regular basis isn't really lowering your standards. (Especially in my home City) As far as all $$ not being good dollars...-OH YEAH- that is the understatement of the entire thread. After all I just hate anything in orange! kisses Candace

Same here lately..Maybe they notice the desparation in my voice..LOL

I agree with you sweet Candace.. All $$ are not good dollars but if you don't want to end up on the blotter, you will follow your heart..

If I didn't count Anik.. None of the young ladies would see me. Ok Egypt would see me out of pity.

Like I said before when I am linked to you..I get that respect. LOL

I was traveling when you happened to "stroll through" the ATL board... (*what can I say Spring training and all*)Then I caught up on the posts. I had to question why I had never met either of you and I guess I got the impression that answered my query.... hopefully, I will have the pleasure of meeting you during your visit to my home town. At least for a hug and to buy you a drink. (If you can keep a secret: I'll have one of my favorite playmates with me if all goes as planned)... kisses  Candace

I am looking forward to coming back home (Atl). My wife who have not been to Atl in 8 yrs in threating to come with me.. I actually need to see how you guys set these thing up..

All I ask for is a couple of provider references or at the very least one reputable provider reference and and info that'll to help jog the providers memory if they have only seen them once or are not regulars with that provider. Also I will only accept the reference of a provider who has reviews. If the caller does not have a provider reference then I will suggest the full name and employment info and explin how that works if they don't know. As far as date check goes, I am a member but do not require my callers to be or become members, if they already are thats great, but it is not my primary method of verification. If the caller can not supply me with any of the above info I politely let them know that I have to decline to schedule with them and say goodbye.

Ya think I could sneak in without being noticed?

I realize to have a nice relaxed session I need to feel comfortable, that means a reference or work info.

Like Candace said, I too look awful in orange or in this area drab green!  

I was in a dangerous situation yesterday and while I was not hurt it made me think that I need to be more careful. I screen the same way many ladies do: work info, references. This gentleman did not have any references but was so sweet and charming in his emails I let my guard down and agreed to meet him.

No amount of money in the world is worth getting hurt.

Be safe and keep doing what you have all along. Real gentleman will understand our need to be safe and respect that.

Simple enough - The references of a reputable provider I would think counts more then anything else. Of course - getting back up info such as office number and validating would give you help after the fact.

So, as I understand it from ready Date Check - if you verify with a reputable provider and are satified, see me, then I could use you as a reference on Date Check? I may need to read more on that.

Oh - and you didn't elaborate on the subject of undercutting.

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Thanks for taking the hit

Recently gave a reference to a lady and didn't hear back from her. When I checked with her she said she was waiting for a reply from my reference. Puzzeled I contacted my reference and she hadn't had a reference request from said provider. When I questioned the original lady, different story and I shouldn't call her a liar (I hadn't not even close) even though she hadn't check my reference.

All I ask, is honesty. I have references from ladies I've known for years, don't BS me if you don't want to see me.

I'm a big boy I can take rejection.... but not well...LOL