Whats the deal with some ladies charging extra, usually about 50, for a guy who hasn't seen her before?  I know, this isn't a new thing, I've seen it sporadically for many years.  Last week as I was really searching through providers more than usual it seemed like I came across it much more frequently than I have in the past.  Maybe I just noticed it more because multiple ladies I was interested in were doing it.

To a degree I get it, lady takes time to research a first timer, she wants paid for that time.  But isn't that part of her job?  Part of her cost of doing business?  

From my perspective as a hobbyist this is a big turn off.  When I see a new lady, regardless of how much she is reviewed, I am taking a chance seeing her, just like she is by seeing me.  I am also taking a chance on whether or not I will enjoy being with her.  

It says to me that a lady doing this is as busy as she wants to be and really doesn't want new clients so she has instituted a fee to discourage new guys from seeing her.

Your thoughts, if any?

I have seen discounts for first timers, an introductory rate by a new provider, and discounts for return visitors. Last one is the most common.  

But to actually raise your rate from your base rate for first timers seems as a rather odd business model. Care to PM me the link or post it here? PM is better if you are VIP.  

If someone doesn't want to see new guys, all it takes is a simple notice on the website telling them not to apply. Since there is no mandate/pressure to see the new guys, there is no reason to discourage anything. She can just flat out say "NO".

Due the crackdown with LE all over the area many guys are sticking to regulars. As a result good providers are not hurting for business. They see a new guy as an added risk or as a guy who just wants to hit and get it once. They figure if you become a regular they will give you a discount. I saw one who goes for $120 hour but gives a discount down to $100 for repeat customers.

PM sent, I don't want to call a lady(s) out on the board publicly due to her pricing as each lady is free to structure her pricing how she sees fit.  Even if I or others find it odd.  

Through the years I have seen some odd stuff in price structuring.  I know of one lady who will from time run an ad which offers discounts to guys with a particular astrological sign (always the same one) and no I'm not kidding.  I also understand offering regulars a discount, I just think it should be done privately.  I have 2 ladies I see somewhat regularly who told me after so many visits that from then on I only had to pay her so much and to ignore her regular listed rates, but those conversations occurred privately.  

My questioning this has more to do with openly advertising that you have better rates for some people than for others, in this particular case a first time visitor vs a repeat visitor.  

I wonder if ladies understand how things like this rub guys the wrong way and get them checked off our lists...

Thanks for your input Michelle.  I can understand where you are coming from as well, but each client is different.  I guess what I'm saying is that I would rather see something on a ladies site like "as a new friend if I need to do actual work to screen you or you are going to ask me a ton of questions there will be an additional gratuity expected when we meet".  Obviously I am not in your shoes so I don't know exactly what all you ladies go through (although I can imagine) but one thing I'm pretty sure of is that each experience and each guy is different.  I hate paying for other people and their mistakes lol.  

I think as a hobbyist if I am providing you with my various handles, places I am active, P411, DateCheck and recent references you should be able to screen me in under 15 minutes.  Would you say that is accurate or does it take you longer than this?  Not counting waiting for a response from a reference of course

It is a little unclear from her "Rates" page whether she intends to charge higher rates for all the New Clients, or has merely grandfathered her lower rates for the guys that she has seen before.  

Without any additional explanation, all one can do is assume. Your inference is merely an assumption.  

If I were you, and really interested in the gal, I would ask nicely if you would qualify for her lower rates on 2nd, 3rd, subsequent visits or has that ship already sailed?  I will tell you this. Grandfathering older clients is more common than charging new guy more.

All very true.

Assumption or not, what would you assume if you saw that on her or anyone elses page?

Also, in your own personal opinion, if she says that I would qualify for the lower rate on subsequent visits (meaning its not a grandfathered rate), how would you personally feel about paying the first time buyer premium, not necessarily for her (because she may not be your cup of tea) but lets say her exact rates for a lady you were pretty darn interested in seeing?

As long as she is clear in her communication, I would go for it, if that's what I wanted to do.  

Do I think its a good business model... No I don't..  But that's besides the point.  

Women can run their shop the way they want. If its really, really bad, they will have to adjust it to what market can accept, else drop out of the market.

"Do I think its a good business model... No I don't..  But that's besides the point."

Actually thats kind of the point of the thread.  Just like anything odd or somewhat different about a provider, if I'm not all that interested or even on the fence, its easy to pass her up.  If I really want to see her its easy to overlook.  If my schedules happen to coincide with the lady I sent you the PM about, I would see her anyway.  The other ones I saw, this or anything else odd I saw would cause me to take a pass.

For some reason, I also felt like you were responding to me, but after careful observation, you posted it right...

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........verifying a gentleman, exchanging a few e-mails, and a phone conversation before we meet, is part of, the cost of "doing business".

   I do know that a few ladies use part time assistants, or verification services that charge them "per client".  Maybe the ladies are trying to recoup their losses.  I just charge it off a a business expense.

   Personally, I think it is wrong, and petty.  

Hugs and Kisses,
Kelly

I certainly understand and appreciate what you have said in this and your other above post.  I think I am having trouble expressing this to you and probably others...  Its not the amount of money, you are 100% correct, 50 is chump change and if I were really worried about that amount I would recommend to myself that I find another hobby.

What I am bringing up is simply the point of charging different rates to different people while advertising that practice, as it pertains to the hobby.  When this is done in other businesses, it has a reason.  For example, offering a ladies night at a bar is intended to bring more ladies into the place on a given night, once there are more ladies there more guys will come.  Offering a discount or rewards card at a supermarket or shoe store which carries special pricing is to be able to use that card to track and market profile the people using it.  I'm curious to the thought process of what the ladies offering these varying rates are trying to accomplish by it as well as how guys other than me perceive it.

One of the things that comes to my mind with this particular scenario, is what we already discussed, she wants paid for her screening time.  The other things that come to mind all give me a somewhat negative first impression of her. As I stated to Curly, if I really want to see her then this practice isn't going to matter one bit, if I think she's worth what she's asking I'll see her regardless.  However let me present you with this scenario, I am perusing the ads and there are 2 ladies (who I have never met before) who interest me pretty equally and have comparable menu's and reviews, one charges a first timers premium, one does not.  All things being equal I would see the girl not charging the premium, even if her standard rate was higher.  Again, maybe its just me, I started this thread to get others opinions on the matter.

Offering a discount to a regular is obviously an incentive or reward for their continued patronizing of you, but would you call a 2nd visit a regular? I wouldn't, but that's just me.  I seem to see ladies that reward true regulars word things differently than ladies who are putting a different price on subsequent visits starting with the 2nd one.

....and compliment.  You are correct, when you say that I rarely judge other ladies.  I try my best not to, as we all have different business models.

   If a gentleman is reserving a two or three hour date, I can usually wrap things up as I mentioned in my post.  

   On the other hand, I just returned from Las Vegas where a gentleman reserved an overnight.  We had conversed for four months, before our date.  We will continue to corresponde until our next date, in May.

   Now, with that being said, once our date is arranged, depsoit paid, etc, I tell my gentlemen friends that "social mail" is replied to last, and when I have time; usually within a few days.

    I was wrong to say that it was petty (thank you for pointing that out to me; seriously), but given what my gift is for extended dates, they can say hello all they want!

Hugs,
Kell

Highly encourage or require the meet and greet. Partially for me to be comfortable and partially for them to not feel so nervous when it comes time to be intimate. I personally like new people but it's not a secret that sometimes they're very time consuming.

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I just want to say that if you what you say here is true, you are a GEM. I just recently had to tell someone who has been pestering me for over a month, taking up my time, and still not ocmmiting, but letting me kowt hat he's doing so with other providers. I told him "Some people are able to get this taken care of with just two emails." People like you.

The amount of time that some newer members to the hobby will take, often without realizing that they are taking up my time--as silly as that sounds--can be outrageous. Even if I'd asked him to compensate me $20 for screening him, it would not be enough for the amount of time.

And I'm one of those who is very patient, so when someone gets a pink slip from me, they have really gone overboard.

I really appreciate those who are respectful about screening, because it shows that they view us a real human beings with real concerns about safety.

Those who simply will not cooperate but continue to send email and after email are really just showing their narcissistic sides. Only THEY have something to lose, something so valuable at stake? That's so wrong. We've all got something to lose and those who have this attitude reveal themselves as the self absorbed things they are.

So yes, I'd like to charge them. I'll settle on cutting them loose and blocking them from contacting me again.  

Good question.  

Screening is not fun. We don't do it for fun. Thank you to all those who understand why and help us get it done easily and smoothly.  

Thank you for your input Diana

I prefer to make first contact with a lady via email.  In that email I include:

My first name
Hobby email address (of course)
Hobby phone number
My P411 info
My handle on the 14 boards I am a member of (yea I travel a lot lol)
2 references with contact info
And I ask about her availability for the time(s) I am interested in.

2nd email is either thanking her for replying and her time and telling her I will call or text to book once my schedule is finalized or if I know my schedule with certainty I book then and there.  No muss, no fuss.  On an extremely rare occasion, if I am unclear on anything about her that I found while researching her, I will ask about it in the proper way...you know what I mean by this.  If this happens, by the time I ask that question, she already has all my necessary info to decide if and how she would like to answer it.

Any guy doing anything much different deserves to be charged extra, first time visitor or not because they are wasting your time.

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