No idea what you're point about your little birdy story was supposed to be, as you note it was not on topic.
The point I raised had nothing to do with staying quiet but about the glee some have for a gray situation. Even cageboy said that some customers were not being crapped on (his words). I suspect good providers don't stay with a bad agency and finding another agency in a place is not just like deciding to shop at a new grocery store so if the agency shuts down those providers might not be available for an extended period of time.
If something works for others but not me I see no need shit on their parade. I just move on to what works for me. I have no problems with people sharing their positive and negative experience. But, to be honest, have to say, the most vocal critics, when it's clear that their criticism is not shared by others, come across a lot the lady that protests too much.
Who cares if the business is still serving others if you don't like it and don't patronize their establishment. It's not like reputation doesn't exist in this world or that people don't express their views. But I guess some need some type of validation for their dissatisfaction rather than simply posting a vent/share the experience and then moving on to find something better.
Wanted to create a thread for this agency. There are quite a few other's for individual JM models, etc but it would be nice to have just one that covers the agency as a whole. They are known for bait and switch pics of their models. Would be nice if we could quickly give a thumbs up or down if someone has seen a particular model, or recognizes stolen pics to save the community from walking into a disappointment.
Barbie Love's pics are accurate and I recommend.
Willow Taylor is slightly older but it's her and I recommend.
Alice Waterford - goes by Alexandra at Elite and TysonGirls. Mixed reviews. Accurate pics.
Any info on Amanda Angels currently touring?
She goes by SalmaBebe on PD - out of Sacramento, CA. She heavily tattooed- JM edited them out.
Thanks for that info. Airbrushing out tattoos seems like a classic move for JM. She's done that for multiple ladies, but the one that sticks out recently is Tiffany Crownwell. But Tiffany is super hot either way. I highly recommend her if she comes back to the area.
Thanks for that info. Airbrushing out tattoos seems like a classic move for JM. She's done that for multiple ladies, but the one that sticks out recently is Tiffany Crownwell. But Tiffany is super hot either way. I highly recommend her if she comes back to the area.
i believe the providers supply their own photos. jm just uses what she's given and doesn't manipulate them at all. in other words, any air brushing is done by the provider herself, not jm.
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To me it's false advertising to the extreme. Some guys like tats, others not so much. I'd rather "see" what I'm getting so my expectations are grounded.
Not false advertising at all. All smart agencies and independents SHOULD airbrush out tattoos. Why? They are distinguishing features to law enforcement. Even if a lady posts a face pic, there is room for plausible deniability. With tattoos, not too much, especially if there’s a specific design on a specific location.
the thing is that they dont care about us, they only care about themselves.
But you do you.
I can see a case for obscuring them, but not airbrushing them out entirely. As someone with a serious aversion to tattoos, I would be out of my mind with disappointment to meet a heavily tattooed woman with no prior warning. There is a lady who travels to this area from Miami and/or NYC with very high end expectations who looks incredibly beautiful but completely airbrushes out what is reportedly a complete oeuvre of tattoos covering her body. From her pics and her self description, you would not have a clue that she has a single tattoo. This is an extreme case, but I have been seriously disappointed in the past by less egregious (but still significant!) omissions of fact, and I really don't want it to happen again.
They're on P411. Took numerous tries as they seem quite unorganized at getting back to you, etc for verification. Once you're in/have your first appt - all you have to do is text for future appts.
Speaking of which - anyone seen Amelia Raven? She looks like a spinner for sure.
Did you reach out to them there first to get screened? I know they ask for references but not sure if they would just take the easy route and clear you if you're a P411 member with okays.
I shot them an email first and offered my P411 as a means to get verified as I didn’t want to actually book a model they currently had working ;it was for future appts. This was about 4 years ago.
I emailed them last year and they refused to pre-screen me - I was told they would only do it when I was trying to schedule a first appointment.
Any intel on Rachel Woods? On like Saturday there was briefly an Eros ad for someone who was using Rachel's exact same pics but under a different name and number. But then once JM added Rachel to her website that Eros ad disappeared.
Rachel Woods goes by DulceAmor on PD. Her and Amanda Angels are friends and travel together it seems. Same situation. Brushed out tats.
Anyone TOFTT and seeing Farah Dixon this week; I have a full and costly dance card this week, so I cannot indulge.
I’m mighty tempted. I’m not free till Sunday though. If anyone see her before then , let us know
Anyone seen her yet that could share some info?
Do they accept p411 as stated on their site? I texted and also sent verification request within p411 and haven’t heard anything. Just curious if anyone has been screened through p411 with them.
I'm on the fence about screening with them. I didn't know they take P411. Never saw that on their website. I'm on their mailing list and emails only mention filling out the booking form on their site. From what I remember they only need a few references.
What sucks is that they won't "pre-screen" you, they'll only do it at the time you set up your first appointment.
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My problem is that I haven’t had many appointments in the past few years and have seen mostly agencies who use p411. If they need multiple recent references I’ll have to wait a bit. Thanks for the reply.
Recommend?
She left several days ago.
They finally have a new lady. If anyone sees her, let us know. More misses than hits with JM, so I'm skeptical...
https://www.jennifersmodels.com/morgan-avalon
I had forgotten about them and hadn't gotten any email from them in a while.
She looks good but I have yet to see anybody from JM. Too many questions marks. Maybe one day.
JM has been MIA for the summer. Hope they get more ladies touring again. There were certainly some hits touring through DC last spring/summer.
There are a couple of reviews now.
She sounds like a winner.
After being non-existent most of the summer, the turnover of ladies at JM the last week or two has been dizzying. I'll get an email that a new lady (or ladies) is in town, check JM's website a couple of days later, and by then they're already gone... Lol.
JM has a lot more misses than hits, but every once in a while she hits a home run. And Morgan Avalon is a grand slam (might be my new favorite lady from JM). I highly recommend her.
JM has a lot more misses than hits...
Anyone seen Jasmine Hunter ?
Has anyone seen Jessica Bleu? Her pics are intriguing.
As one of the other ladies currently in town has less than stellar reviews, I'm hoping to see 1 or 2 reviews of JB before committing to an appointment.
Yep. I haven't posted a review. She's Venezuelan and perky. Not the cleanest room.... mechanical...just not very enjoyable. But she's by no means unattractive.
Thanks. Running theme with JM. The hotel they use also doesn't help either; back in the day I had some really great sessions in that hotel location with various ladies...but now it's synonymous with run-of the-mill encounters used by lower end Asian girls and Latina providers...
Yep. I haven't posted a review. She's Venezuelan and perky. Not the cleanest room.... mechanical...just not very enjoyable. But she's by no means unattractive.
Not going to happen but I'm waiting for Melanie Dupont and Barbie to return. Wishful thinking sadly.
Melanie was an ATF. Miss her.
Barbie Love was my one and only good JM encounter.
Nothing since before the holidays and we are now in mid-Feb. 6-8 weeks seems like a long break, but I know they have done breaks before....
Anyone know if they are gone?
JM had a couple of ladies around in mid-January, so it's only been about a month without anyone, which was the norm over the summer. She can go weeks without anyone and then all of a sudden have 3 or 4 ladies at once. It's very hot and cold.
One of her problems seems to be the mailers are very inconsistent between clients (it's been discussed multiple times in this thread). So not all of us know when ladies are town...unless we constantly check the website.
Morgan Avalon
Barbie Love
Jordan Lakehurst
They have been my multi visits
Looks like Website hasn’t been renewed. Says Domain has expired. Are they closed for good?
Anybody know any info?
JM has been MIA for several months. I assume they are done. Sad since I always liked them as another option. Had some great experiences with several ladies from there. Even if they ladies returned wouldn't know how to find them now.
An agency that has been known for
1) poor communication and ghosting
2) monitoring the reviews and scolding/bl'ing people for bad reviews
3) bl'ing people who wouldn't take a replacement instead of a girl they wanted to see
4) b&s
Went down? Good. 
An agency that has been known for
1) poor communication and ghosting
2) monitoring the reviews and scolding/bl'ing people for bad reviews
3) bl'ing people who wouldn't take a replacement instead of a girl they wanted to see
4) b&s
Went down? Good.
JM certainly had management issues. But, they brought in some incredible women. Some of the best I've been with were from there. Jordan Lakehurst, Melanie Dupont (AFT), Barbie Love (drop dead gorgeous), Pamela Dublin, and a long time ago a girl named Kim are a few I'll always remember as incredible.
They had their share of fake pics, etc. But, still...they had some amazing ladies go through there.
You brought back some amazing memories mentioning her. ATF for sure.
Melanie is one of the few I'd do an overnight with. Too bad she hasn't returned in years. Of course, with her looks (and skills) easy to imagine a man snagging her up.
All that matters is if you got what you wanted and at the end of the day individual ladies and your time with them is more important than an agency.
I've never visited them myself but I've read many a bad story via pms, posts in here and elsewhere.
But yeah management and ladies should be separated, agreed.
They had some quirks and complaints but I had some great times w/ them & will miss the option. Overall, I think "jen" tried to maintain some standards, instead of just throwing warm bodies out there.
I could overlook the sometimes abrasive coms & occasionally whitewashed photos to get some of those hotties she brought. Still get a little tingle thinking about Jordan L. Ahhh, good times.
I can say I've never had a problem with the agency. Not all were 8 or 9 in experience but never felt the urge to walk out and never walked in and saw a different person from pics.
Good riddance to bad rubbish!!! An agency that deserves to be wiped off the map:
Posted by team_rocket_qwerty, 5/29/2025 11:24:30 AM
An agency that has been known for
1) poor communication and ghosting
2) monitoring the reviews and scolding/bl'ing people for bad reviews
3) bl'ing people who wouldn't take a replacement instead of a girl they wanted to see
4) b&s
Definitely there are varying opinions on JM. I never had a problem with the agency.
Definitely there are varying opinions on JM. I never had a problem with the agency.
Have to SMH about some this discussion. Given some seem to have been quite happy, which you seem to agree with, while others have not been, why the glee over them shutting down? Why not just let the market participants (and perhaps it has and the shutdown is that result, don't know) self segregate themselves happy customers and customers of other providers/agency.
While some might have a personal grudge against some business (find me a case where any business doesn't have some disgruntled customers) I don't see why being happy about others here having fewer options with the business gone than with it running.
The providers who are out of work from the JM closure can find work in other agencies or go independent--if they are worth their salt. There is no need to feel bad for them. Plenty of work and opportunities for them are out there.
As for the glee in the closure--in hindsight I suspect that money/profit was a side hustle for the hoodlums who were running that agency. Their actual mission statement for the business was to crap on clients left and right. They seem to have taken glee in that. There is an element of providers and agencies out there who betray their hatred and contempt for clients. That negativity eventually becomes the catalyst for their departure from the hobby business. Negativity is unsustainable in the service industry. Good riddance to that element!!!
"why not let the market participants self segregate"
Because some people don't like to take it up the ass and be quiet or content about it.
A little birdie has told me about a certain client of some kgirl agency who booked an appointment and was about to text the agency after he parked when he found out he was blocked.
He ended up wasting his time. Blue balled. For no reason whatsoever.
Most customers would be indignant and rip this agency a new asshole or two on forums, just like they should . This guy instead used his connection with Mr klient - a vip customer - to restore his client "privileges" and kept mum publicly about the whole incident. And I would like to point out most mongers don't have a Mr klient in their network, nor should they.
I don't like to speak for others, but most people in situation of this monger would be upset about their treatment of them as garbage, and treating their time as useless toilet paper. And I suspect a good portion would cheer the agency when it would be gone.
Of course this client was you, so you just took it and swallowed it without complaining.
Going back to our topic, Hence why people who were fucked by agency are happy they're gone. People don't like agencies that fucked them over and rejoice when they die or lose their jobs. It's quite natural. Fuck em.
This whole market thing is nonsense. Why should people who were fucked over, not want the agency to fail? Unless you think agencies in this biz can fuck over anyone because "they can".
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Every time those two hoodlums blocked clients out of revenge, it also prevented the providers working for the agency from earning the money they needed in order to pay their bills. Every blocked client meant money lost for the girls. Obvious they didn't care about that.
In effect, those two hoodlums were financially depriving the staff for the sake of their own perverted pleasure...HOODLUM STUPIDITY.
No idea what you're point about your little birdy story was supposed to be, as you note it was not on topic.
The point I raised had nothing to do with staying quiet but about the glee some have for a gray situation. Even cageboy said that some customers were not being crapped on (his words). I suspect good providers don't stay with a bad agency and finding another agency in a place is not just like deciding to shop at a new grocery store so if the agency shuts down those providers might not be available for an extended period of time.
If something works for others but not me I see no need shit on their parade. I just move on to what works for me. I have no problems with people sharing their positive and negative experience. But, to be honest, have to say, the most vocal critics, when it's clear that their criticism is not shared by others, come across a lot the lady that protests too much.
Who cares if the business is still serving others if you don't like it and don't patronize their establishment. It's not like reputation doesn't exist in this world or that people don't express their views. But I guess some need some type of validation for their dissatisfaction rather than simply posting a vent/share the experience and then moving on to find something better.
The point of the off-topic story is that some will just take it when they're being screwed over. No matter how fairly or unfaiy they got screwed over.
Your point is simple - if there exists at least one customer who is treated right, other customers (no matter how many) who were not treated right, should just stfu and move on.
Am I right?
I don't think this works in real world Jensen. I don't think you can get away with defrauding some investors just because you didint defraud all of them
You don't need to be bad to everyone to be a bad business and for people to take schadeunfreude when your business dies.
But you do need to be good to almost everyone to have a good business.
Am I right?
My post was about the apparent joy some were expressing even when others here were saying they did not have the same experience and nothing about people telling others what their experience was. I'm reading a thread that clearly have two sides and see no reason to conclude one side has the truth and the others just liars or spineless.
As others have pointed out here, we're all adults here so respect the choices others are making for themself. If some are happy spending their money with an agency who am I (or you) to say they are wrong. If they don't like how the agency or provider operations and so look elsewhere same applies. But getting all worked up and having such a emotional response suggests a bit more than some objective assessment is driving the responses.
As for your if even one person is happy, sure if the business can operated with one happy customer fine with me. But clearly, assuming the services are being offered to others than that unitary client, one would expect that new people will either ask and on forums and check reviews so hear all the complaints and move on, listen to the one supporter and decide they want to try, or never did research (which TER or other forums cannot prevent) so go in blind and learn for themself (no different here than any TOFFT situation).
"Why do you always claim I'm trying to tell anyone to never share their experience? "
I didn't say you are telling ppl to not share their experiences. You telling them to move on and stfu (is the order good now?).
Ie, not dwell on it. Well, newsflash Jensen. People keep grudges, often for years or decades. People don't like being fucked over, losing their time and money.
Do you agree that people who lose their life savings due to a business scamming them, have the moral right to demand a little bit more heads rolling than simply stating their experience and "moving on" like you suggest? If so, why can't you project that onto any business?
People don't like to be fucked over and if they see a business who fucks over many customers, they are going to take incredible joy in seeing it go down in flames. No matter if that business haa satisfied customers too. That's just human nature. No, the satisfied customer isn't "wrong". And yet neither is a fucked over customer who is rejoicing people who treated him like garbage, are gone. It's not rocket science.
And the more they feel they got taken for, the more unfairly they think they got treated, the happier they will be to see a business fail.
Whats not to understand about this phenomenon?
It happens in all spheres of life. Politics. Religion. Relationships. Business.
People take pleasure in seeing someone whom they don't like, fail. Schadenfreude.
If I get perma banned on TER, for example, some people on here will take pleasure in this too. And that's perfectly normal. Par fot the course.
There could be major ethical implications. Let's take it to an extreme. Let's say a business threatens and does physical violence to someone who wrote a bad review. Would you then say it's normal for people to want the business to die and rejoice when it does? Not caring about people who are satisfied.
If yes, then where do you draw the line?
We aren't talking merely about quality of a singular product either.
If I buy a slice of pizza and it tastes like garbage, I throw it in the trash and write a one star review. I will likely move on. Sure, when asked I will advise anyone to not eat that pizza and I probably won't say nice things about the restaurant. But I will not actively want it to die.
But when I write a one star review saying the pizza is garbage, and suddenly the owner pops up like the cookie monster, accuses me of having bad taste and bad intentions, bans me from using the restaurant again, and even calls other restaurants in the areas to tell them not to serve me....
Well hell yeah I will want the business to die. The most slow agonizing brutal death possible. And I will smile and pop bottles. Is that not natural?
Pointing out a market equilibrium was not a strategy. The strategy would be to take you're money where you think the agency deserves your money.
But I agree, if a person is trying to make everyone else act they way they want and value things the way they do market equilibrium, hell, even market disequilibrium, is a really poor plan. I don't get it either, You can tell others to do a lot of things that they will simply ignore and keep doing what they want rather than what you want.
What are you talking about?
See, this is why it's so frustrating to converse with you like this.
I'm talking about moral implications of being fucked over and that "letting the market figure things out on its own" is not a good solution in cases people are upset and want consequences for them getting fucked over. Why wait until critical mass is reached?
"Who wants to make everyone act the way "
This is pure nonsense. No one - and I mean no one - said someone who somehow bypassed being fucked over and fully enjoys the offerings SHOULD want the business to die.
However it should be understandable those who did get fucked over want it to die. Is it a little bit selfish? No doubt. But it's also selfish to continue to ask like other people getting fucked is not an issue if you yourself don't have that issue.
I don't even understand what part you disagree with?
Do you not agree that people being fucked over is not a good thing by the business?
Do you not agree that people who get fucked over get upset over it?
Do you not agree that people want failure for people they perceive to be morally corrupt or unethical?
You lived in this world for 60+ years yet it's news to you that people celebrate failures of others? Like I'm genuinely baffled here.
" have no problems with people sharing their positive and negative experience." = STFU
Seriously?
Come on man. Out of my lenghty two posts that's all you address?
What you mean is share your positive or negative experience and then move on and after that don't come back to it.
Move on = don't talk about it anymore, ie stfu. Does it make sense?
And my point people will dwell on something when they perceive unfair treatment. They will come back to it. Memorable bad experiences is something people remember well.
I have a close elderly relative who remembers being treated unfairly over fifty years ago! Fifty! And that relative gets very upset when talking about this like it was today.
Not keeping a grudge could be a good thing. I just don't get the surprise that comes with it that people are upset and want eye for an eye and in many cases, revenge and/or karma.
Those are all typical human emotions.