I'm getting more into the PV scene, baby steps.

Any suggestions on how to get a little more out of my sessions?  Do you tip up front, is it rude to negotiate anything else, etc.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

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Sort of depends on the girl..Like going to a strip bar and thinking how far you can get with the dancers..
Some do.. some dont...depends if there is chemistry(there is that word again)  
Maybe how broke she is..
There was a thread maybe a year ago on this topic..There were guys saying there may be lots on the table once the girl gets comfortable with you. I have zero knowledge but this sounds plausable. Sort of like massages ..

It will cost you about the same as seeing an escort if you want extas on top of PV; 200+cost for BBBJ, FS. Why not just hire an escort and have her do a lap dance before getting to the main event? Unless you really enjoy this cat and mouse game. Some agencies strictly prohibit their girls from offering FS so money will not talk in this case

 
Haha.

not everyone leaves tip-bait or entertains upsells. you can always find a bbbj as part of the PV package at some point and/or DATY. having a repeat client is the best tip so it's no telling how far a girl will go. Just sayin....

the standard PV girls don't get many repeats. The upsellers get some repeats. and The girls that find chemistry, attracted to a guy, or love sex and do more for the buck have an added level of success because they have a good amount of regulars to go with the one-timers or very infrequent guys.

So, years ago when I first discovered Craigslist and the whole "provider" world I spent time in the massage section along with time spent looking at "other" review sites very similar to TER.  

The PV service providers advertise heavily on those sites.  Mind you, in my early years and at the time I discovered Craigslist and I was a newbie to the AMP world.  It only took a couple of sessions at the AMPs to realize I wanted the option of not having the language barrier that comes with AMP service.  So I dipped my toe into the water of PV.  I probably went a total of 4 times, 2 at ST and 2 at BG.  And as you note, one quickly comes to the conclusion that you can get the same thing and more at an AMP for the same or cheaper price.  I do and can enjoy a massage only session as I'm a big fan of massage.  Of course, the sensual side of the massage must a include a well done HJ or BJ to complete the package.  However, I have no problem investing in an oil filled, highly sensual, mutual massage session that does not include full on intercourse.  

With that said, I always left the PV sessions with a feeling of...."damn, I coulda had a V8."   Some of the ladies did do the up sell thing which I declined.  Hence, I have not been to a PV provider in some time.

I would, however, recommend a few PV sessions for a Newbie to the Hobby game to get a feel for things

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They are NOT FS but every girl is different. Every girl has her own rules and if you want anything above a lap dance, light kissing and touching and your "handshake" then you have to speak up or maybe she even will. This is all done for tips so in the end you end up paying the same date you would pay to see a regular GFE provider.  

 I still offer PV only for those that don't want the whole none yards.

 
That's very very rare because you have to split the fee with the house. And then if a girl is offering a BBbJ as part of that she is not very smart and if a guy is lucky to go to a PV and just gets a BBbJ without asking or her offering it for extra cash, he should be considerate and leave some kind of tip.

 
I dunno about champagne room cause it has never been my thing....All I know is Day shift girls can be a lot of fun in the lap dance room. not as many people there and they will do more for a dollar. I had BJs and offer to ride me if I had a condom as part of the lap dance so I would buy a few in a row. Granted I was 19-22 and girls were sick of the middle aged men on lunch break coming into the club in sweat pants, haha. And that was like 6-10yrs ago for me.  

Anyways...for everyone in general. If ya not obsessed with penetration a Stripper slide from a horny PV girl can definitely get ya mind in a good space if she uses lotion, has nice sized lips and her juices are flowing. And more can be available without a tip. with PV you get a hot girl at a discount and there are always 30min options without dealing with a BP escort that may not fit the bill physically.  

 
But if you don't like to play often then $300 girls with guaranteed service is cool. But if you like to see women 3-4 times a week that may not be a good idea unless you got it that good.

 
I know the girls get half.  

However, the best tip is repeat patronage. I seen a girl at a PV a while back that said she barely gets repeats and not often enough to remember them from before....she was standard PV. And I seen girls on several occasions at the great ST that went 3-4hrs one day without seeing a dude especially once they started the screening process for people that has never been there which makes it common for dry spells ever-so-often....but it makes the girls more comfortable overall.  

Girls that go above and beyond know I will come back. I have seen several girls damn near every week for several months in the PV world that fit the bill....we were good. I tipped the first couple times...but my regularity was sufficient and quality never suffered once.  

 
I guess a good percent of PV girls are not smart according to you, lol. Guess it pays for me not to be middle aged. Cause to even say I never exchanged #s with an agency PV girl would be inaccurate.

So ask. If you want BBJ ask. If you want Russian ask. And be a little insistent. But not too much though. And accept refusals gracefully.  I never tip and frequently get what I ask for.

so these really talented, athletic, beautiful girls sexy dance your ass and goes the extra mile on the hopes that you might like her and book her numerous times in the future?

is that what y'all are saying here?

Yes, it definitely happens. Ain't no different than day shift girls at the strip club.

Some girls upsell and some girls find guys they are attracted to and go the extra mile so they repeat. Plenty of girls are comfortable with standard PV, but their repeat clientele may suffer especially once other girls go above and beyond.  

Not every girl wants to guarantee services like an escort and PV girls have autonomy as to whom they want to provide extras

it's a real shame not to tip these ladies when they go over and above. it's a real shame.
maybe that was my real point all along
guess I'd not do well in the PV market, I'm not that great at asking for tips. lol