Was wondering if you've ever met a provider and thought, "Hmmm, I'm out of HER league".  Usually, we are with absolutely stunning women that in real life, probably never a chance.  Every now and then, have you thought - IRL, she'd be lucky to be with me.

Had that happen today.  Both had a great time, she was cute, but just couldn't think you wouldn't have a shot at me if it were game on.

so, no.

 

That could be a dangerous road to travel for the ladies. Guys could try to take advantage of that dynamic.

But I'm not too bad looking and am in shape, so I've certainly left a few dates where I thought I was at least an equal (not for the really young 9s or 10s, but for some of the little bit older 7s and 8s, sure).

I hear what you're saying, but I've also realized women look for different attributes than men-not necessarily looks, but financial stability for one.  That and I'm paying for discretion and simplicity.  There is a lot of 'free' stuff out there, but in the end its not free.  Depends on how you want to pay.

I have met a few ladies, that I would not have dated if they asked me out. Some because of looks, many more because they were a mess.

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It amazes me some of the eye candy I see some guys with on their arms.  And this is not just an observation of the the celebrity types.  I've seen dudes who appear to be regular "Joe Blows" like me with women who are clearly out of their league, at least physically.  As Guard notes, as I've aged and got some miles "seasoning" on me I've learned that women come from almost a totally different wiring when choosing men.  I would guesstimate that looks are 4th or 5th on the priority list.  A few examples:

** I know first hand that the former Juanita Jordan was out of Michael Jordan's league.  Hell, when Jordan first got to the Bulls he was still the "country bumpkin."  His style points increased exponentially as he grew and got experience in "the life."  But the crew Juanita ran with were on the hunt for the GQ, Silky Dilky type of dudes.  However, playing for the bulls and evolving into a superstar is the great equalizer.  If MJ were a garbage man he would not have had a chance.  From appearance, the same is true for Kenny Smith of NBA and TNT fame.  His wife is gorgeous and from what I've seen very intelligent and "together."  While Kenny is a well spoken, intelligent young man.  If he were a well spoken, intelligent municipal worker he would not have had a chance with her.

**  Tom Brady would not be snagging model types w/o the NFL on his resume.  I watched the post game interview Brady did last night.  He's as dry as they come and probably why he and Bellicheck get along so well.  If he were Tom Brady the  Marriott Bellman he would be invisible to any and all model types checking into the hotel.

**  My own experience: I'm above average attractive; and above average successful and for the most part I would never say a lady is out of my league unless she is a crack head; GED certified; or some other significant and unfortunate life circumstance/s.  Only because the yoke would be too uneven.  Hell, I know some project hood rats that are 11's and if they never opened their mouth you'd give her six months pay just to have dinner with you.  Most people base "out-of-someones-league" on looks and this is the great deception.  I have, more than I like to admit, ladies on my resume who were gorgeous that I'm not with today.  And I was puling these women when  I was the equivalent of a garbage man.  NOTE: TIMES HAVE CHANGED DRASTICALLY.  THE GOLD DIGGER, YOU GOTTA BE PAID MENTALITY IS MORE PREVALENT AND RUNNING RAMPANT IN MANY FORMS.  HENCE, IN GENERAL, LADIES ARE MORE MATERIAL AND SUPERFICIAL THAN SAY 20, 30 YEARS AGO; IMHO.  But after getting to know these gorgeous ladies there was obviously no long term connection or fit.  My buddies would say, "damn you're not seeing her anymore!?!?!  "WTF, she was gorgeous."  And if it were not for our best buddy rule they would have beat a path to their door to see if they could hook up with them.  So I learned early that looks aint everything.

** A provider I knew.  She was one of the few women who intimidated me and who I would label "out-of-my league, by societies standards.  She was a 12; HIGHLY educated with several advanced degrees.  Hell, she is one of the few providers I did weekend trips with and extended time shit.  She has since retired and is now married.  If you saw her and her husband you would say how and why is she with that dude!?!?!?!?!  I don't know if he is "paid" 1% level but I strongly suspect he has a healthy bank account.  This women could have any dude she wants; rich, celebrity, etc..  And I know she's dated several of these type of dudes.  Hell, she was even in a music video!!  FINE AS SHIT!!!  And she picked this dude to marry and have babies with.  I would like to interview him and ask him does he feel like she's out of his league.

I would dare say, in some cases, ladies would prefer to marry/establish long term relationship with a dude who felt like she was out of his league cause it may ensure a certain level of loyalty on his part

Client showed up and I was like "jesus on ice skates what in the hell is this guy P4P for?!" I mean this guy was literally the hottest person I had ever met in my life, totally out of my league. Honestly he was out of Angelina Jolie's league. I was giggling and blushing like a dipshit the whole date.

We are aware the kind of guys you find "hawt"... When they come and sit next to us in, say a bar, most of us ask for check in middle of finishing our beer...

Most gals want the guys to shower at least once a day..ma'am

I just looked at your site Ms. Telford and all I can say is WOW. OH....MY....GOODNESS!! You are out of my league Ma'am so may I ask when you are cumming to DC?

FELLAS.....THIS! Is what I went to Iraq for. WOW

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It makes it more believable when she acts really into me.

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Just grow a beard and learn to cook Palak Paneer, and you are half way there. You can get Garlic Naan from the store (she wouldn't know..) :

Throughout history, there have been compelling women who were not considered attractive by the conventional standards of the day. Some French courtesans (Mogador, Guimond) were known for being almost ugly -- one was called "The Ugly One" and they commanded fabulous prices, had scandalous love affairs with renowned figures of the day, including royalty, and even influenced literature and fashion.

Cleopatra was also said to be a captivating woman of average appearance.

If you consider people in or out of your league, based on some one superficial quality, you are missing out on discovering what is wonderful in people BUT as a client, you have the prerogative to spend your good money on someone who pleases you in any way you choose -- whether you find her beautiful, sexy, amusing, stimulating, or what have you.  So pick who you like -- but don't brag about how great YOU are -- because you should let other people do that for you.

You have pictures and reviews to go by if you do your homework, so you have no one to blame but your own self if you are disappointed in a provider.

I am often thrilled to be in the company of clients who I find genuinely hot. But I see something wonderful in every client. I guess that is my gift.  I've NEVER thought a client was lucky to be with me.  I've never thought that about another human soul. I'm not wired like that. Thank goodness.

But seriously, people, what is it with all of this "Ms. Telford" shit? "Tobi" is just fine. Though I'll also answer to "Dr. Telford."

I'll come to DC one of these days but PLEASE don't go to Iraq for me!!

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Same boat as you my friend.  As I get older and accumulate more wealth - and get a belly and grey hairs, its seems diametrically opposed to what I used to believe.  I see that women notice my watch, ask certain questions, do I belong to certain Country Clubs, etc...and I truly am a country bumpkin.

Have a friend who is the same way, total nerd geek foreigner, but now drives a BMW 6 series and Jag convertible and the women he dates - stunning.

Anyway, neither here nor there, just observations.

No, no BP chicks.  At one time started out that way because I didn't know any better - but as you surmised, they are a mess.

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Its not disappointment but a realization.  Kind of like Tail6969 mentioned above, looks and service may be great, but maybe not a level of sophistication.  On the flip side, you get an actress like Emma Stone, not all that great looking, but what a great personality.

Its not a negative, just something you notice.

Seriously, pre-book, test the waters.  I think you would do great in the nation's Capitol.

I used to see a lady who’s been described as “plain” and even “homely,” but I was definitely attracted to her. Because she was incredibly sexy - smart, playful, quick, self-aware. Her voice could get me worked up.

Now, people would have given us double-take as a couple, and we didn’t have the same sensibility, but I wouldn’t say I was out of her league. That would have been too close to thinking I was beyond her in some way, and in this game, that’s a thought I’d be scared to hold on to, even for a second

never seen a model type "10" with a social worker.

At a certain point a woman is a prude or stuck up...and really not out of league. And most women appreciate a decent guy...I think dudes concentrate on money & looks being the reason for a dude pulling a top woman entirely too much. There has to be a level of commonality and mutual respect.  

All the million dollar celebs still throw money at strip clubs...and I'm sure they could have groupies, right? Paul George got a stripper prego.  

It's just about having fun on demand fun. This is the instant gratification days. I'm in my later 20s and I can't believe I used to wait to check email instead of push notification in my pocket, lol.

Throughout time men have broken off women money for play and hangout around brothels. In all honesty there is a hott woman for every man if you search...but an overweight white woman will take care of a brotha so you can work on ya rap career or number 1 ranking in madden hence they keep cranking out black babies on par with black women

I just don't see her, problem solved. Or as you have done, just leave.

I have no desire to have sex, or even hold hands with a woman that I think is "beneath me", much less pay for the privilege.

Now I do own a mirror and I am perfectly aware that I am not, nor have I ever been GQ material, but my goals for personal appearance are modest. I shoot for "Not repulsive" where it comes to my own appearance and to the best of my knowledge I have set the bar low enough that I happily trip over it. That doesn't mean that my standards for women are not very high. I don't see OTHFBs in "real" life, and I certainly am not going to do so in P4P

is a a lot.

What you don't know about what women find sexy in a man...

is a lot.

It has NOTHING to do with money. It has almost nothing to do with looks. Or age. Or height. Or weight. Or power. Or status.

It has EVERYTHING to do with how he makes her feel when she is with him.

There are beautiful, rich, educated, powerful men I would not cross the street for because their hearts are cold and they don't do anything for others unless it serves their agenda. There are dishwashers I would marry tomorrow, just for the way they smile at me and treat me and my child with respect when I come into their restaurant.

Please give us ladies a bit more credit than you do.  Just because we are providers does not make us vultures.

I don't. I guess I'm lucky not to have won the genetic lottery to the point where I think I'm above people just because of the way nature made me.  How lonely I would feel if that were true!  

I would rather be ugly and have an open heart than beautiful and think myself superior on that score. Nothing makes a person superior except what they do to make the world a better place. End of story.

I've never noticed that a person wasn't in my class -- unless he didn't have any class. And I've met a few of those, all right. I don't spend my time with them. Life is too short.

BTW, Emma Stone is the model for the one of the most successful cosmetic lines in the world. Just sayin' -- beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but in her case, her looks make bank

...it was about women in general and who is out of whose league, or at least that's how I and I think others approached taylored their responses.

I have NEVER seen a dishwasher with a certified 10 on his arm!  And NEVER will!!!