Hi all,

I completely understand your desire to connect on a more personal level than what an hour here or there can achieve.   I have posted more than a few times that this is as human and as primal as the acts.  The enhancement of truly knowing someone AND desiring them is intoxicating.   Watching her move as you are out and about...lingering touches and glances...

Of course the meeting time, but not necessarily the end!.  That way neither one is pressured by the clock.  We can enjoy our time together, for as long as we are having fun.  Of course if it turns into an overnight, additional compensation is required!  
I would Pm Master Zen, he is the master at this and always a lot of fun.  I just find an exact hourly rate is to confining but that is just me!

I have done trips, weekends (fly me to you), vacations with few of my favorite long time clients / friends.  

it depends.  

OTC time, "real" friendships where both knew personal info about each other and, of course all of the horror stories when it went wrong.

on provider sites that were for extended time periods were not really "discounted" that much. At least not for what I'm assuming you're looking for. So...

I think that it would be beneficial to have some specifics.  If a lady had a rate of $300/hr, it would be a complete non-starter for me (and probably most people) if she more or less had the same rate for longer excursions.  Hypothetically speaking, say I have seen a lady a few times and wanted to spend a full day with her, would the following be out of line or insulting?  The classic "it depends" answer is not helpful.  Her rate is $300.  I would like to spend the full day with her --- say from noon to 10 pm.  Lunch.  Shopping (yeah, I buy her some stuff).  Kayaking under the bridge or a movie or a show or something or some combination thereof.  Then back to the hotel (private time).  Dinner.  Movie and/or talk.  Hotel (private time).  Date over.  Obviously, I pay for all of the costs.  But if her hourly rate is $300/hr, would $800 for the full day be offensive or reasonable?  Especially given that my costs might be $200.  If her hourly rate was $500/hr, would $1,200 for the full day be offensive or reasonable?  Thoughts?

Honestly, I don't think her hourly rate is the place to jump off of.  Just can't with her and see where that takes you both.  I agree with the others before me.  You got some A-list advice and frame of reference on your questions.  I have true friendships and romances within the hobby.  Take your time and choose one of the lovely ladies.   Most of us do longer dates...I would assume you will go with a local lady or a traveling one who will be here through your dates so that you can see her multiple times.  Like all dates, you may actually have to go out with several ladies before you find the right one to spend lots of time with.  

Kinda liked her so offered a ride.   Stunningly she said yes and 6 months later I was juggling my emotions. She was really cool with me and we ran around town together. She way WAY younger than me so I knew I was obviously not her type. But we had fun. Got difficult for me when she would ask me to vaporize for an hour. Saw guys come and go. In the end I knew her biz and I simply backed off. But DAMN it was fun. She was crAZy hot and I really liked her but ...  don't ever forget the game we play.

I think that the hourly rate should be used as a starting point for determining a flat rate.  Thoughts?  The examples above are more or less what I would think would be reasonable.  Quite frankly, I don't know any guys who would consider much more than what I provided in the examples.  There are just too many other ways to spend your money.  And I doubt that many of the ladies that just more or less apply an hourly rate to an 8-10 hour date ever get any takers.  Might look good up on the website,  however.

Wow!  Seriously off base there!  Time is money and why would anyone give up an entire day for 800 dollars!  That's crazy!  Lol

....probably isn't giving a 4hr date for less than 1200 either.

I would think that there would be a lot of reasons.  To break up the monotony, to more or less have a day off from seeing more than 1 guy, to get out of the hotel room, and perhaps most importantly,  it would seem to make a lot of sense for a lady that is not high volume.  A lady could see 1 guy and have fun or she could see 3-4 guys and clear or take home about the same.  I would look at it differently if all of the time was spent in the bedroom.

You are assuming that the lady in question has no life outside of this.  I have family, school and varied interests and I am not high volume.  So guess I see it differently.  Lots of things I can do with my time, and not be bored  But that's just me.

To clarify: 8-10 hrs of a full 24 hour day.  But arguably more or less the same thing as 24 hours.  Anyways, once you start talking about $1,500+, then for the overwhelming majority of guys there are simply much, much better options.  Many guys could simply take a 3-4 day vacation to somewhere in Central/South America/the Caribbean and have the time of their life for $1,500+.  A short breakdown:

I got what I was looking for, I look forward to meeting some new friends and seeing what transpires.  

And it works quite well for me! And I totally agree about Zen he rocks!

Several years ago I broached the subject of multiday travel with a provider I had seen a few times; it felt like it might work out. At the time she was charging 300/hr. She quoted about 1K /day back then. This was several years ago.

For instance I have a $450 90 minute rate (no 60 minute rate).  My 3 hour rate including social time is $850 and $1100 for 4 hours. You do the math on my hourly rate for 3 and 4 hours. Point being YES the hourly rate goes down on extended date and I know ladies who have similar biz models.

I don't know the type of ladies that you meet, but I have a very busy life, with many responsibilities and my FUN time is with my girlfriends, family and solo time and not with "clients" that do not appreciate me and my time....

This is BUSINESS. If you want someone to hang around with get a girlfriend. Yes, as we have seen on previous post sometimes some of the ladies and gents are friends and get together but that is a rarity. I believe that what some really want is a beautiful FWB. Do you give free assistance in your job?  
That said, I have spent time with one of the ladies for Christmas off the clock. I have had one lady give me money back. I have had one lady pay the agency for our time together.
I am friends with a couple of the ladies in the business. One I pay just to sit and talk, maybe a hug and a kiss, because this is a way she makes a living. Would I like to see her outside of the 'hobby' sure, but I won't. There is another I expect we will be having lunch together in the near future, off the clock. If that should lead to something more, she'll get paid.

If a gentleman doesn't want to have the "exchange at the start of the date" because our relationship is close and we know each other for a long period of time or because he doesnt  like to feel like a transaction in the meeting and we are more personable to each other (than other dates), he can definitely PayPal, transfer to my business bank account (witch is very discreet), or venmo for example...  prior our meeting, or monthly, or bi-weekly. (prepaid of course instead of being "off the clock").  

One of the ladies I saw frequently did, find and marry a client, divorced. One I saw infrequently did the same, divorced. Sometimes its hard to separate the fantasy from reality.

After reading this, all I can say is if you're looking for a regular in the area PLEASE don't pick me.  

it is a business.   What makes business sense for some is different from what makes business sense for others.

All that people are doing is trying to understand how different people think about these sorts of situations so that they feel more comfortable and confident.  Most people would expect a lower hourly rate if you are seeing a lady for, say, 8 hours.  Some ladies advertise that rate.  Others (probably the vast majority) don't.  A guy wanted to know how he should think about a lady who didn't provide this information.  Your hourly rate, for example, is $400/hr, but if a guy wants to see you for 8 hours, your fee is $1,600, which means that your hourly rate would would be $200/hr or 50% of your 1 hour rate for an 8 hour appointment.  Using the same reasoning, $800 might be more or less appropriate for a lady whose hourly rate was $200/hr since that is also 50% of her 1 hour rate.  So I don't think that this has anything to do with desperation, but rather other considerations such as hourly rate, whether or not she feels as though she believes that she would have fun or be bored, whether or not she is low or high volume, whether or not she has a family, her sunk costs, her preferences, etc.  And I think don't think that this has much to do with the size of a wallet, ether.  It is all about considering options and maximizing value.      

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IMO, $800 is too low for that amount of time.

i agree. $2000 would be closer to a real good discounted rate for that time.

i know what you mean about maximizing value. As i mentioned before some "discounted" rates aren't really much of a discount. However, that problem is easily avoided by finding someone that makes you ignore the rate.