Upon cancelling my appt with BDJ because of a 10% surcharge for using a credit card, this was the response from BDJ:

You really should have called an agency of your level. cancelled )
The girls that are 200 are most likely are for blue collar guys.
I did not know you were a mechanic , I would have never booked you.

What?

Who is BDJ?

Being new to the hobby, I can't really comment on the rest of it.  This doesn't strike me as unusual, however.

BelleDeJour Girls out of Miami...Wouldn't you say they could use some help on their public relations?

Shame if they said that to you man. People should never assume how much you are worth or what you do for a living.. They sometime get the surprise of there life by judging people.

BTW: did you canx at the last minute or what were the circumstances?

...web developer.

They just don't treat you right after that.

I guess since Im an Electrician I should never try to book with them either, oh well, I guess Ill have to stick with seeing all those bargin basement girls like Porn Stars and all, lolol...whata F'n joke and to think I had thought about using their agency in the past, goes to show you why I never used damn agencys after the first couple times

B-Pop

...below the lowest of the services that advertise in the yellow pages.

-- Modified on 3/8/2005 3:07:17 AM

If this is true I think BDJ may have just pissed off a lot of potential clients. Manny blue collar workers make damn good money and can afford many of the fine things (and companions) in life. I guess BDJ doesn't like my money color either. I am in the HVAC business and even though I stay in the office most of the time I still consider myself blue collar as I will when the situation warrents use my tools and knowledge to help my employees when needed. Not bragging but I am less than 40 and have a new 7200 sqr foot home on 15 acres with a large inground pool with waterfalls streaming from the hot tube into the pool, and many other toys for recreation and fun. Well it's BDJ loss as I for one will never call to make an appointment with them in the future. I will stick to the ladies who don't have their nose 10 foot in the air or up someomes ass. I stop venting now and get back to my lowly 200k per year blue collar life.

...just because you have a whack job working at one. I have had great experiences with agencies, both here and visiting, it makes no sense to throw all agencies into a single group. There have been several alledged instances lately where local independents did not see gentlemen because of their color, weight, age... Should we lump all indies into the same category? Hope not, we have some great ones in the area.

We've been down this path before.

To be honest with you most agencies I have ever tried to deal with have "Whack jobs" working at them, thats why I dont deal with them anymore. Now Jordan may be diffrent because she is in the biz herself and the agency is a smaller more hands on one, but that is the exception in my travels, not the rule.

B-Pop

Didn't we just have a situation where a guy thought he was being ripped off by a local agency, which was then attacked in this forum, only to find out it was a misunderstanding.

Here we have a poster that I have never seen post and has zero reviews alledging that BDJ sent him an offensive email. I, like a lot of people, have had positive dealings with BDJ over the years. Did anyone contact Kim to see if she knew what was going on or to hear the other side of the argument? I don't want to slander the gentlemen who posted this message, but why are we so quick to attack an agency that has a very good track record. Perhaps it is just one employee that was having a bad day and Kim can fix the problem if notified. If BDJ did respond by email that will be an improvement, that has been my only complaint with the agency. I will send a message to Kim and let you know if I hear back.

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that smaller owner operated agencies may be better to deal with. I can not provide first hand feedback on Jordan's agency, but several of the more senior members of this board report very good experiences. I have mostly been dealing with Lindsay Love's agency lately, which is of a similar size, and she has been great to work with. I screwed something up last week and she could not have been nicer. Have gotten frustrated a few times with the traveling agencies, but keep dealing with them because of a few very special ladies. I guess we all have our own taste, both in ladies and who we book with.

You need to see my post above, and do a bit of research.  I found two threads about BDJ like this one.  Since we know they follow our threads, I'm curious why they've never defended themselves here.

I don't need to do anything. However, I do agree that it is incumbent upon BDJ to respond to this thread if they have another side of this story. I sent them a pm letting them know the thread was here.

I would like to hear the other side of the story. I am not ruling his story out but there is another piece of this pie...Ok back to having fun with the ex-in-laws..

-- Modified on 3/8/2005 3:32:58 PM

-- Modified on 3/8/2005 3:34:51 PM

Yes, you have every right to be suspicious of an "interloper." However, BDJ did send that reply, and if they deny it, I've still got it.

This is what happened. Deciding to splurge a bit, I set up an appt with one of BDJ's finest via email. I then submitted my CC info and asked for confirmation of receipt. I had tacked on some extra for a tip, but forgot about the surcharge. I then received a reply from BDJ stating that I was "short" (monetarily) and needed to send more. Though BDJ was correct to point out the surcharge, I just didn't like the idea of a 10 percent surcharge, though there may be a completely valid business reason for it, so I asked to cancel the appt. It was the reply to that message that I posted. What I found interesting - and sad - was that I never said I was a blue collar guy or a mechanic. BDJ just assumed that since I cancelled because of expense, that I must have been. I can tell you as a white collar grunt, the HVAC gentlemen with his blue collar makes a lot more than I do! And he should.

So I am left with the question, why does BDJ think that white collars are preferable to blue? I don't think the distinction means much anymore and I'm sure as heck not going to send any business to any firm that judges it clientele in this way.

Kim usually does not allow any of us in the office to post here but I am going to post his email response after he emailed last minute, tied up Sissy for two hours and then said he could not afford to see her even after he placed the CC ored in on our iste. It clearly says 10 % surcharge is a must.Bottom line is that he refused to pay the surcharge and thought we were going to let him go.If everyone has to pay a surcharge than why should we let one guy get away from not paying it. He thought because it was too late in the game he was going to get away with it.That was not playing fair.

This email below that you see under the line came from this person.Why should anyone fight back with this lack of humane interaction. If people want to hear one side then be it but do any of the guys hear write such childish emails. Anyone that wants to see the hard copy of the exact email can emails us and we can let you see it for yourself. I was going to let this die but really I was very surprised at this email.
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I didn't know you were such a slut. I would have never
booked with Big Dumb Junky Girls in the first place
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Yes, I admit that was my reply, but why don't you post your reply to me for all to see?

He also posted this on the National Board...I asked him in my earlier post what was the circumstances of his cancellation? Nothing.

Let not jump to conclusion on some of these posts, let be objective.

Re:You should have called me I love a man who's good with his hands

You have mail

(costing her and the agency a lot of money) because he refuses to pay cc surcharge (although it is clearly stated on cc form) and then sends an obscene email to them, and he is offended when they use the word mechanic in a reply. My only problem is them slandering that profession, have friends that are mechanics, they should have been slandering him directly (which is what they were probably trying to do).

-- Modified on 3/8/2005 4:51:41 PM

You should talk directly to BD and work something out with them..I do ok in life but you would never know that if you saw me. So I never judge people..

I agree, my response was totally uncalled for. I apologize.

His message may have been tacky, even juvenile, but definitely not obscene.  However, BDJ is supposed to be a *professional* agency.  One would expect them to respond to this kind of thing with restraint, or just completely blow it off without any response.

Instead, the agency shot back an e-mail that disparages some guys based on what they do for a living.  They are implicitly judging him as if there is some sort of an American caste system, where if a man has a certain job, he is not worthy of seeing their girls.

My opinion:
Does seeing his ridiculous message put this whole thread into some perspective?  Sure does.  Now I understand the context.  

However, does seeing his message excuse the agency for being elitist snobs?  I think not.  Sorry, but just showing me what he said doesn't cut it.  Others may disagree, but unless there is some sort of apology for their message I will not use them.

The offenders have been moderated, and the offending alias posts have been removed.

You have done your part..Now it's up to them.

...Nothing sickens me more than lowclass people who abuse the help (e.g., in McDonald's, etc.), knowing full well the helpless employee can't respond.

One's income and job don't determine class -- the way one treats other human beings DOES. This "gent" could be the CEO of a multi-bazillion dollar company and he'd still be low-class.

The "disparaging remark" as you put it, was a PRIVATE, *aimed* insult, not an global attack on bluecollar workers UNTIL it was posted here.

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First: calling someone a slut I believe is clearly obscene.

Second: I owned a service company for years and never lost it with a client. However, if one of my clients called one of the young ladies working for me a slut I would not care what that young lady called him back or if she even took a swing at him.

Third: He was not a mechanic, she had no idea what his profession was.

I guess if BDJ owes an apology to anyone it is the mechanics of the world. All I know is that I had to cancel twice with BDJ (both times with the same lady). They could not have been nicer about it and they don't know my profession.

-- Modified on 3/8/2005 6:40:58 PM

Yes there are always two sides to every story and only the parties directly involved know the truth. I however did not find a denial in your response as to his accusation of your term "mechanic" to infur he was low class. As stated by another poster he could have very well been a CEO of a Fortune 500 company with low or no class, while I and other "mechanics" here have very good relationships with several of the independants and agencys and personally take offense to the remark even if it was directed at him. Since there is not a denial from BDJ at this time I beleive an apology may be in order from BDJ before myself and many other "mechanics" use your agency no matter how attractive yoyr ladies are. The only one's who may suffer directly from all this would be the ladies themselves when appointments are cancelled or never made.

TriSli has apoligize to BDJ, I am satify with his response. I would never call a lady a slut but we alway say something in the heat of the moment.I won't judge him on that.

Up to BDJ to response or not. I suspect with all the clients they have on this board they will resolve this.

Calling someone a slut...is a no-no?  Even when she is riding me and shouting for me to call her every dirty name I can think of?  

Dang, I'ma gonna have to clean up my dirty pillow-talk! =

IMO: these gals have to put up with so much wacky weirdness, I dont blame 'em a bit if sometimes someone vents a bit.  OK, call it inappropriate and the (paying) customer is always right, but frankly its exactly that human touch that makes all of this so much more fun.  And its precisely why it always pays to be polite.
 --DH

.... and in this case, I am wrong.  Everyone, I am sorry.

For some reason, (it's probably old age setting in), I focused solely on the BDJ nonsense part of his message and totally forgot about the slut comment.  Obviously I should have reread the post before spouting-off about it.  Let me be clear for the record: I definitely consider calling someone a slut obscene and very offensive.

That said, that still doesn't excuse the agency's comment.  I think it shows a lack of respect for certain people.  So I got all jacked-up about it.  I think when people get mad, often their true colors tend to be revealed.  That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.  (That's happened before, just look back up to my first sentence.)

Overall, my mistake was hearing only one side and passing judgment without all the facts.  I apologize for that.

One last comment regarding the other post that said the message was sent in private to him only.  This board, indeed the entire website, is designed so that we can share this very type of information.  Who is a good provider, who is a rip off.  Who has a good attitude, who doesn't.  For example, the provider that runs a scam on only one guy (in private) needs to be outed.  If we don't share this kind of intel, and comment on it, what good is this site?

That's all I have to say about this -- and it's way more than this incident warranted.  That teaches me to get involved in a contentious argument on TER......

... how the generalization that because I cancelled the appt I must have been blue collar is a private insult. Precisely because Tiff@BDJ made that assumption, it WAS a global attack.

My response to Tiff@BDJ was unwarranted, and I have apologised for it. You and BDJ seem well-suited for each other, so go right ahead and use them now. I have cancelled appts on the same day with other agencies and have received a cordial, professional response. This appt was cancelled THE DAY BEFORE the appt, and resulted in a GLOBAL attack on blue collars and mechanics. I made the erroneous assumption that women who made such attacks were "sluts," but at least I had some evidence - her response - to work with. Tiff@BDJ's attack on blue collars and mechanics was completely UNPROVOKED.

..., OR hung up the phone and ceased to do business with them. That's what I would have done.

But, instead, you came here in an attempt to damage their business, adding the details of the insult not to add strength to your argument, but in the hopes that it would rally certain folks to your side in a knee-jerk reaction.

Sorry, my friend, it wasn't a global attack, it was an insult at at YOU and no one else. Had she called you a "fat, bald slob" I would not, even as a fat, bald slob, been insulted in the least because I would have known the comment was aimed at YOU not at me. I would have known full well that, regardless the comment, they would happily see a fat, bald slob like me without hesitation if I simply paid my entrance fee like a gentleman and didn't try to "haggle" with them.

It was a fight of your own making, you lost, and you only made matter worse bringing it here. Dignity and honor, my friend. No one can take them from you, but their yours to throw away.

That said, s**t happens. Take a deep breath and move on.

It takes something special to admit when we make a mistake. I appreciate your apology.

I also looked at this from one side and apologize for that eroor. I saw everyone slamming BDJ, without knowing the background, so I defended them without holding them responsible for their actions.

It looks like both parties let their emotions get the better of them and I hope they both apologize (I think trisli already has) and move on. If trisli's harsh email was a reply to their rude email, they really owe him an apology.

I also think the guys that were signing on under several alias's an piling on owe us all an apology. Thanks mod for putting an end to that nonsense.

I really agree with your last comment about getting involved in contentous arguments on this board, typically involves more pain than gain. Thanks again for your message.

That is really messed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

While acknowledging that my response to Tiff@BDJ was idiotic, I still feel that I owed it to fellow hobbyists to post her unprovoked attack on "blue collar guys." If some other agency had a bias against men 40 and over, for example, I'd want to know about it, since that category includes me.

I apologize if I have misunderstood the purpose of this board, but I thought that collars of all colors would want to know about such an unfounded and unfair generalization.

I'll shut up now; after all, I'm just a "low-life" according to Lex. What could I possibly contribute to this community...

Lighten up. I read your post for the humor.

I've been called a slut...LOL, damn the truth hurts... a fat, bald slob as well... I am what I am and that's all that I am... well not quite.

Both sides have something to be ashamed of here. Let's move on to info and fun.

...I won't even remember this thread when it moves off this page. Did you have a bad day or did *I* have a bad day? It all depends on your point of view.

Don't take this stuff so personally.

on yourself. I for one appreciate the post and outlook you gave on someone at BDJ. I agree your comment back to them was uncalled for, you have made your apology, which as of this time I have not seen from BDJ about the comment catogorizing blu collar workers as cheap and unwanted business on their end. So for now I will not be calling to make appointments with them in the future, by the way I have in the past seen several of the ladies from BDJ.

...If I defend BDJ, who knows, I might get a freebie out of it.

If I defend TriSli, I might get... his undying friendship?

Arch Villiany 201: "What's in it for me?"