the main added value of a review is to know that one can be safe and have a good time. you don't need scores to achieve that. you really don't need a lot of "juicy details" to know that either.

many clients want to have some "quality control" and so want scoring in addition to a lot of detail. while that can be a legitimate desire, it won't work in the long run. trying to micromanage an interpersonal interaction is an exercise in futility. folks on both sides of the transaction who try to micromanage that way may succeed short term but are setting themselves up for long term disappointment.  

providers who manipulate a string of 10s get suspected of coercion. clients who give strings of 10s get suspected of being tools. clients who grade "fairly" or who have a too refined idea of what a "6" means are viewed as career risks by ladies.

the scores are meaningless since they depend on the taste of the scorer and are subject to manipulation on both sides. i'm happy as long as I know that she's legitimate and safe. the details of the chemistry.... i'm content to work that out face to face. that is an acceptable risk and scores won't help.

for years now..

In my opinion, we need to go to a simpler four score system.  

1. Rip Off
2. Not recommended
3. Recommended w/reservations  
4. Highly recommended.  

What people put in the review, the actual verbiage, should be far more important than the score. When you go to a simpler model, it would take the onus away from numerical scores and put the focus on the verbiage - where it needs to be IMHO...

Of course, the immediate result would be a blood bath, including but not limited to wrist slitting, in the 10/10 club..

It is just a number.  I am not driven by what my scores are or the thought that I need to make this guy happy for high scores. I just do not think like that, and the girls I am close with do not think like that either. I personally feel that some providers get too wrapped up into their scores. I have seen providers crumble and cry over getting an 8!  

  Beauty is in the eye of the hobbyist here and as long as one has great and consistent reviews, the numbers do not matter. Plus I have had clients tell me that girls will offer discounts for future appointments as long as they are given super high scores. I have even heard of free time given for 10s!! Too me that is just absurd.  

  There are other boards with reviews that are just reviews and everything runs smoothly. Personally I do not care if the scoring system is kept or done away with. I just do me.

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Every board is going to have their own style and the scoring system is just a part of TER's "ways." Some like it, some don't... From my own standpoint however, I personally side with yourself and Curly's views. The point system the way it is now gives too much leeway for possibilities of manipulation on BOTH ends, ie: bribing for higher scores or blackmailing a provider into freebies for said score. All in all, you can't ever really know what the "truth" is due to either subjectivity or straight-out lying.

Lastly, yes, it is "just a number." But those numbers can still make or break a girl--in most cases--for better or for worse...

I agree with you on the 1-4 system but there should be some sort of "appearance" rating in addition to listing the services provided. Maybe just a "yes" or "no" if they look like their pictures or a brief description.

The "juicy details" section has steered me towards some girls and away from others based on the reviewer's notes because those professional photographers are damn good at their job ha! That blurred face shot can hide a lot...

Its invaluable to know if the person looks like her pics or not.. But the rating system of pics is even a bigger joke than the performance system.

What is someone's 7 can easily by another person's 9 or 6.  Its beyond me how a gal can receive 10 from every guy who sees her. :

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All the reviewer can do is give the score that matched their experience and expectations. It's definitely subjective, however..if both parties do their research, and meet with people who meet each others expectations..then the reviewer can feel what their score was. No, not everyone can be everything to everyone, but it gives you something to add to your research and make an educated decision on whether that particular lady is right for them.

xoxooxooxoxo~*Aerial*~

 Yes I agree that it can make or break a girl. But honestly if a girl has scores from Nice to Once in a Lifetime then good for her. She is doing something right and is worth seeing.

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I completely agree Sidney!  

I do not really concern myself with what scores I may or may not get. I just try to be myself. Obviously there are going to be people that you have a better or worse connection with and that in and of itself can make for a variance. As you said, as long as what is written is similar than the numbers are subjective.  

I cannot imagine myself bartering for a higher score that is just ridiculous IMO. I actually had a recent review posted with great scores but it was a fake review so I had it taken down. I had never ever seen the guy, he mentioned that is was a good review so he didn't understand why I was upset. It goes both ways I guess, some women don't get it and neither do some of the men.

You don't want LE posting reviews pretending as hobbyists..

Good job staying vigilant...

Let's take it back to grade school. When the scoring system was from A-E and sometimes a big fat F! Get out the red pens and give the provider the critique that is necessary to earn a higher score on the next go round.  Place a smiley face next to that brilliant "action" that may bring you back.  

For me, most of the verbiage in the reviews is more like verbage! Inflated and extra details that are unnecessary.  I believe that some guys write reviews as a way to express their journalistic side (and most are failed attempts).  It's not impressive and it takes away from the details that actually matter when one reads through a provider's reviews.

It's a tough question and as has been pointed out there are weaknesses and some value. It seems that all people want some type of simple metric to get them started in their own evaluation to proceed further (these systems are found in investments, resorts, hotels, consumer goods....). Most are very imperfect.

One thing that I think would be very helpful would be some methodology of separating out the purely objective facts from the subjective. I suspect the subjective is really what most clients want from the rating system but that's the hard one to communicate and requires one understand preferences and personality of the rater (so we have to both read all the ratings and get a good sampling of the services being rated -- which doesn't sound the the worst research project in the world

As it stands now there are two subjective metrics that are scored and I think that's one of the real weaknesses on the system. The objective ratings would be of limited value (and largely captured by check boxes)  which tends to argue for dropping the scoring.

The above comes with the disclaimer: total novice is talking

Thing is....women think if you see them their appearance has to be pretty high. not true at all.  

 
I could see a 6 (which is nice) cause she has a decent physical asset or two....but not perfect all over.  
some girls are simply butterfaces and ain't getting a 10 because of a perfect body or perfect face alone....come on now!  

 
performance is performance. Menu is a part of the equation....but if you are not preforming the act at a high level the score will be affected.  

 
 You have to be damn near Halle Berry, J.Lo, or Jessica Simpson in her prime to get a 10 in my book. If anything dudes overstate the appearance. 8 is really hott (self explanatory)....9 you are a model w/o a stretch mark, stomach, etc to compliment the T&A and not many women in general can say that so a 9 should not be given out lightly IMO.

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I agree to an extent with Yoko & Curly that it's all terribly subjective and one guy's 10 may not be equal to another guy's 10 and may be less meaningful than a third guy's 9 or 8.  
But let's back up a bit and remember why the reviews are there in the first place, to provide info to other hobbyists who are trying to decide who to try to make appts. with.   In that context, the reviews can be seen to be useful and the scores can also be worthwhile to consider.  

When I'm thinking about contacting a new (to me) provider, I will do as much research on the lady as I can.  I will look at her ads, her web site, and her reviews.  I pay much more attention to the performance scores than the looks scores; I try to get an idea if the lady is attractive to me; I look at the pics she posts with her ads (on TER & elsewhere) and those on her web site and decide if she appeals to me.  Only then will I look at the performance scores, and not in the abstract.  If I'm pretty sure I'll find the lady attractive, I'll use the reviews to help me decide whether or not she's worth pursuing.  First I'll look at what services are on offer & what typical compensation is, this thins the herd a lot.  If I find one with whom I think I'll be happy appearance-wise, and I'm happy with both her services offered & her price range, then I'll look at scores.
If I've already decided she looks good to me appearance-wise, then I look at the performance scores (if I've decided she looks good to me but then I find out she has lower than I like score on appearance, I'll go back & look again & if I can't resolve the dilemma I'll usually move on).
When I look at performance scores, I basically do 2 things; read a few of her most recent high performance scored reviews to see what the experience is likely to be, and focus on any out-of-line performance scores (i. e. a 6 among 9's & 10's)  and see if there was a problem or if the reviewer had a good time but just doesn't give high scores.    
But that's just me.  I will tell you that this approach over several years has led me to a hobby life in which I am rarely greatly disappointed and mostly am very happy I've made the decisions I've made.
But I guess my main point is that the numeric scores (especially for performance) do provide useful information when used in an organized approach to deciding who to see & who to skip.  Of course, many guys aren't this careful or organized, & get disappointed frequently.  
But I do not agree that the scores are useless.  If you accept that they are all subjective and factor that into your use of them in your evaluation, then yes, they are useful.

Hi everyone,

I realize that most if not all of you aren't going to listen to a word I say here given the reviews written about me, but I wanted to add my agreement to how ridiculous the scoring system is. I whole heartedly agree that it's a sham for the most part. I wrote the following to a response in a similar thread in the NY board. I'm cutting and pasting it here. It's relevant and on topic and also explains how (at least in my own personal situation) one might get perfect scores from a few people.  

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...My conclusion in the pm was that you guys totally have the short end of the stick on this one, and that sucks!

There are some women who carefully cultivates her market and really is a 10 to those she she's because she makes sure to be all of that. Then there are those that beg, barter and steal.  

While I've been publicly accused of those negative actions (offering discounts, blackmailing, etc) those who have spent time with me- generally even just via initial emails- realize it was put out there by someone simply wanting to hurt me.  

To bring my personal situation back to the original post, how is that some girls get those scores by so many people with so many tastes? Who knows? I'm convinced that if I suddenly opened the gates and became high volume I would NOT have the scores I do. I meet 1-3 new gentlemen per month and I make sure that via screening and communication we're right for one another. Just cause a guy screens well and is safe doesn't mean I'll see him. But if I were to? There's no way in HELL that I'd be able to be a 10 to everybody. My looks are somewhat unique and I'm not a conventional beauty. There are things I'm not always interested in doing. Being as selective as I am to root out people I'll get along with, I AM a 10/10- to that archetype of gentleman. But if I were to spend time with a broader section of personalities... I bet I'd be in the 7's or 8's. No one can be everything to everyone. But someone can be everything to some.  

I wish for all your sakes that there were a better way to sift out the deserving and the cheaters. Tread carefully guys.... I'm sorry that you guys do have it difficult when it comes to this matter. You either get disappointed over and over again, or you miss out on someone genuine. Either way it's unfair!

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Anyway, curly's idea I think is one of the best ones out there. We have a similar thing on one of our screening sites for you guys. It's not simply a yes or now, okay or not, it's a scale that includes a bit more depth, without the knitpickiness of a 10 stop rating scale.

Kiss me,

Kate

I know this is a break from everyone else, but scores are part of the screening process. I don't care whether it is a 4 point scale, a 5 point scale, or a 10 point scale. But, it is usually an indicator of how the client felt about the provider's appearance and performance.  

Some people prefer crosswords, some people prefer soduku. Like everything else in this hobby, what may not work for you may work for someone else.

At the end of the day, the three most important keys to successful hobbying are still research, research, research.

it is thoroughly rotten statistical reasoning to make the following inference: "because a particular lady has perfect 10 scores, she must manipulating the scores by coercion and discounts."

unfortunately, if people were good at statistical inferences Vegas casinos would be less profitable and innocents would not be convicted so often. inferences from a set of observations to a an underlying cause should be done carefully. otherwise that is simply profiling, stereotyping, and unfair. there are plenty of opportunities to find out by backchannel means which ladies are using improper influences to maintain high scores. your procedure, as you described, is a legitimate one.

it is unfortunate that the bad players who extort 10s sully the reputation of those who actually earn them. that is another reason why a simpler system as outlined above would be less prone to abuse

'You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.'

I'll buck convention and agree with Hamm.  

As a relative newbie, I like to look at the average score to determine if I'm going to dig deeper. If there is a low average score, chances are I'll pass. If the average score is good, then I'll dig deeper and read the details. I also read the reviews of other hobbiest who have similar tastes or have been in the game for a while.  

I agree the appearance score is completely arbritrary and left to the eye of the beholder. To me, the performance score is based more on what is or not done.  

I have given several 10s based on my interpretation of the scoring rules. If we're having a great time she can start with a 7. Each additional act gets an extra point. The wild card is personality which is harder to quantify.  

All in all, I like the ratings system and use it in my decisions on whom to chose.

if the changes you mentioned cannot be done at least they should not allowed first time reviewers to give 10/10, a reviewer should have several reviews before being allowed to give such score. Also reviewers should not be allowed to give multiple 10s, it is supposed to be "one in a lifetime" but some reviewers give 10 to anyone they see.

Ah- quite apt! Thanks for sharing that quote here.  

It's very similar. No one can be everything to everyone. It's impossible. But one can choose the few to be everything to....

I finally saw the movie Lincoln a few weeks ago. I can just imagine this being said in Daniel Day-Lewis's rendition of Lincoln's voice.

Kiss me,

Kate

I'm more concerned about the abuse and how that plays out for you guys. You have the short end of the stick, no matter which side you're holding....

Kiss me,

Kat

"Also reviewers should not be allowed to give multiple 10s, it is supposed to be "one in a lifetime" but some reviewers give 10 to anyone they see."

So much for standards

Maybe we should just hand out "certificates of participation" for any provider than can induce an orgasm.

When I analyze a provider's reviews, I look at the reviewers' review history to see if they are high scorers or low scorers.

I disagree with the TER rule that a provider need to provider certain service to get another point. That's objective and should  get mixed up with subjective scores. Her profile already has service information; we don't need to include that in scoring. When I review, I don't follow that rule.

I just gave a provider who regularly gets 10/10 scores a 9/7 and said in the review that she probably just had an off day and I would probably go back and try again. I was contacted that day and pressured to pull the review and of course drew hostility when I wouldn't.  At that point I realized we have a problem when someone gets an 8, is treated sympathetically in the review and still feels pressure to get that review down as quickly as possible.