The first thing that you need to do is get tested for STDs on a regular basis. I recommend once every 3 months or once a month depending on how many different providers you see.

If a providers stinks I won't give her daty. Some pussy just smells because they don't wash between rounds, etc.

If a see a provider has cold sores on or near hear lips I won't kiss her. Some will put on makeup/lipstick to cover it up. Make sure you do a trick and have them get in the shower and wipe off the stuff of the lips.

News about a provider/client having an STD travels faster than you realize. Some boards will ban a provider from the board and let people privately know via a PM if a provider/client has STD.

If you are lucky enough after posting reviews and having board presence and good reputation you can get invited to private forums where they have DNS (Do not see) lists of providers/clients who have STDs.

Also remember to wash between and before rounds. That includes cleaning your mouth out with water asap possible to get ride of germs. There are other things you can catch such as cold/flu.

Looking at his posts I think he meant BBFS. He is one of those accurate scientific types.

A lady that I have with 4 times this year told me she would not be in this business without condoms.

A lot of providers I see are willing to give a BBBJ.  They seem to like it.  I also get a strong urge to dine at the Y.  I'm worried about STDs though.  Should I be?  Anyone catch anything from local providers?  Or is this just an overinflated scare tactic from those uninterested in pleasure?

If any hobbyist or provider tells you they have never caught anything, they probably haven't hobbied often or they are not getting a 100% thorough STD screening. Some of the so-called "full panel" tests don't check for certain infections so we're often left wondering why we still have a sore when all STD tests came back negative.

I have never caught anything *major* despite all my hobbying but I did catch some minor strange infections every now and then.  I seem to catch some minor UTI or some other infection a few times a year but luckily it's easily cured with antibiotics. I get screened often, some at free clinics, remainder from a doctor, because I don't fool myself into thinking that a "full panel test" is complete by any means. However, like I said, the infections I caught were not the standard major STDs but something very minor, such as UTI or NGU or the likes of it.

As long as you're using protection, IMHO HIV is very hard to catch.  Also I got all my vaccinations so I'm supposedly partially immune to certain Herpes/hepatitis virus and what not. Play it safe, use a condom when doing full service, keep riskier acts at a minimum (rimming, bbfs, daty, etc), and you'll be fine.

You might want to edit your message.
Hugs and Kisses

"no comdom natural"


I hope BP edit the word blowjob from the post.

I do engage in BBFS with haitian monkeys and horses though. lmao. j/k

The last sentence should have stated it more clearly "never engage in bbfs within p4p" because, having read it again, the context seems like it's ok to engage in it every now and then with a provider / client.

However, vast majority do engage in BBFS with someone they are in a long term relationship with. I think that is quite normal.

Not sure if I understood what you are asking but I'd guess that this is something you'd know already... or maybe not?  I was referring to Long Term Relationship as in, dating,  going out, in a serious relationship with each other, married or unmarried.

As far as I can tell vast majority of such civvy relationships engage in BBFS regardless of whether or not the girl is a civvy girlfriend or a provider-turned-civ-girlfriend

A very popular local provider with hundreds of excellent reviews recently declared herself HIV positive and quit the biz.

If she declared it you are not violating her privacy

BTW, I have never given.

I haven't told my regulars yet but whenever they start BBBJ, I would stop them for DFK after a few seconds. The risk for mouth cancer is just too high for them with multiple partners.

'"An individual who has six or more lifetime partners - on whom they've performed oral sex - has an eightfold increase in risk compared to someone who has never performed oral sex, Ohio State University's Dr. Maura Gillison, said at a recent scientific meeting, according to NPR.'

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20035363-10391704.html

TER should rethink the policy of banning any discussions of BBFS, yet encourage BBBJ with higher scores in reviews.

I thought you were talking about a long term relationship with a provider.

Folks better book their appointments real fast for STD testing. It will be months before one will be able to get test because of posts like this.

Thanks.

Will kill the search engines and some websites tonight. I am sure the cell phone companies might have record usage.

well said ! I completely agree. I am shocked that this has not been a topic for discussion on this board. This provider was extremely popular and  considering the amount of " cross pollination " in our DC hobby community, this may have major implications.

Of course I do not know for sure , but I knew this provider pretty well. She was smart , educated , into  physical fitness , and married with kids .l  i doubt she was an IV drug user or got it in her personal life. This would lead me to conclude either a condom broke or BBBj was the culprit

either of those conclusions is quite scary for all providers and hobbyists

I am sure I will slammed by the haters who want to bury their heads in the sand , but oh well , I think its worth an  discussion

a bunch of alias talking about a mystery provider I say BS have the balls to show yourselfs and name who you are talking about or crawl back into your hole

Sounds like someone who is credible on this board.

If this is really true then don't you think many providers who
asked her for references would have already been alerted?
C'mon  the ladies boards would be overloaded with a post about this .
And if she was as safe in her practices , and alerted a hobbyist that
she was HIV positive , she would know how long ago she played
unsafely  . A post like this would most likely have a provider posting
to contact her through backchannel. I am calling BS on this one.

She did alert clients and clients say nothing? Again .. C"mon.
No hysteria ? Just simple talk as if someone got a slight case of
yeast? Hell I think even a yeast infection is something to whine
about and never had one of those either. But HIV and a board
this calm? Sorry . I call BS.

You will a lot of folks quit the hobby clients and providers. I have not seen any indications of that yet. There could be another reason why folks won't post the info. They realize that no provider will want to see them since they could have been exposed or have HIV also.

Also HIV transmission goes from men to women in a higher percentage than from women to men.

The posts here about the provider in question are accurate. I will not share her info on this board as per TER rules but feel free to backchannel me

After posting this someone was kind enough to
send me enough information to believe it.
As for the guys ,you have to look out for  # 1 .
I pray for all of those who had encounters health .
I hope that discreet appointments are made to get
checked and follow up on a monthly basis until all
blood panels come back HIV free.

My sincere apologies for calling it BS . It's
just that there are so many goofy posts at
times , I assumed this was another. Below
is a link for free testing.

Angela

I'm not one to dismiss this without some research.  I did a search of all providers on TER with hundreds of review who did not offer greek, BBBJ, and other practices mentioned and I could not find 1 who is not active on BP or EROS. So I'm calling bullshit on this.

I understand you can not name the provider directly on here. But I think you should be able to give hints, like saying it indirectly here like saying something like  her name starts with an "A"... or "B"

How do you know she didn't do Greek, BBFS, etc.  Just because it wasn't offered to you or reported in reviews doesn't mean she didn't do it.  And how about her personal life?

If she has HIV then the most likely route of transmission was unprotected anal whether in or outside the hobby.  That far outweighs the other possibilities.

I'm sure Angela didn't intend it that way but her post was written in a way that might have caused some confusion.

The #1 rated provider (Alexandra) is not HIV positive.  She's in excellent health. However, she's currently taking an extended leave from the business due to positive changes. Only seeing / accepting existing select clients... if any.

Something tells me that he probably changed his mind about "expanding horizon" by now... with this HIV event.
Wow this thread getting uber HUGE after ubercareful dropped that bomb on us. lol


As for your Q, I'm sure everyone will know within a week from today.

I really do have the utmost respect to the lady for having the courage and responsibility to inform everyone.
Hope that she can find great medical care and be cured soon. Yes, I used the word "cure". Scientists do have a cure in the works and it's not so far fetched anymore.

When I said # 1  I meant you have to look out for yourself
being # 1 . Each and every one of us to ourselves are # 1.
Health risks are far more important . Thank you Cyrid
for pointing that out . I thought everyone has heard the
phrase looking out for # 1.* Meaning ourselves*
I
Glad you saw that I was not trying to give hints I truly meant it just as it is.
We all have to look out for ourselves over any situation.
We are the most important people to ourselves. We are # 1
I wish everyone good health . I pray the guys and anyone
else who might be at risk use the free clinics and get an exam.
The whole series will go on for 6 months. Draw blood twice
and go back each month until the 6th month

I am saddened for the provider.

When she may have been infected?

Unfortunately, this the reason some do not offer bb anything. Safety is my priority.

its a "doll"

I agree.

I'm watching this from LA but I do not believe there is any actual documented case where someone got HIV from a BBBJ.  I'm sure tons of doctors would love to study this if true.

I also think she either had BBFS from a client or her husband.  I also doubt she will admit it.

It's also possible a condom ripped or fell off.  

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/transmission.htm

Interesting......I already knew that if someone had a cut and was bleeding you could get it.  Didn't know it was possible regularly though.  I bet you if someone did get it with BBBJ, it's cause there was a sore or cut or something.

Oh well....who knows.

To allow for HIV transmission. Not saying it is likely, but it can happen. So there is a standing recommendation that you not brush your teeth or use mouthwash (do not ask me why, but I have been told this repeatedly) for at least two hours before oral sex. Not a rule I follow, actually, but it is a normal recommendation.

I suppose that also means that kissing could transmit HIV if both parties had bleeding gums.

On the other hand, I get tested regularly.

zig

After really thinking this whole thing over I have to
go back to my first initial response . There simply
is NOT enough evidence here. The party who stated he
got email from the lady has failed to do one
thing. SHARE the actual email with full headers .

There has been no encouragement to the lady in
question to come on the board and address this in
some sort of way , send a few some personal inbox mails
and tell her story . When she found out . Where she
went . Nothing here is matching up what REALLY happens
when someone discovers they may die.

I hate to say it but boards can be downright malicious and cruel to people
posting hurtful stories.

This is the reason why I choose not to any longer advertise or deal with a lot of boards,because the majority of clients that contact me are interested in GFE.... I simply do not understand why in the hell clients/providers put their life on the line and into someone else hands when it come's to bbbj, daty, or any other unsafe practices.

Do some of you not get it,that yes you can contract trich,syphilis,herpes, gonorrhea, and now hpv from uncovered oral. There is a new study out that throat cancer is also caused by many strains of hpv....

Because a providers vaginal area does not stink does not mean that it's 100% safe to daty,smh!

It is not worth it ladies and gents,wrap it up! I guess some will learn when you contract something in your mouth and your walking around with white puss oooozing out of your mouth and bumps all over you throat and tongue. Or when you men come home and your trying to figure out why your wife,the kids and dog are gone or when she's trying to kill your ass because you brought something home...

I guess to each it's own,it's your life but no amount of money is worth it.... and to you providers who do GFE I hope you have good insurance to pay for all the meds you will need to treat a STD that you will stuck with for the rest of your life....