If you expect political correctness in this business then I actually believe that you are just making this point for the sake of arguing.
First, Let me tell you that I am a Pacific Islander not black nor white. I love women in general but I do have my preferances. I like white girls. As we say back home Haole Wahini
Well, the provider has the same luxury of handpicking her clients. First, the US Govt. will have to recognize the industry before it can sick the EEOC on the Agencies for not hiring as many black chicks as well as levy sanctions on white independents who don't see black clients. Second, then lets go after the NFL for not drafting wnite players (in proportion to the population of any given city) under affirmative action.
If you want to start stereotyping that more White guys are serial killers then I suggest that you look at the complete line of crime stats. How many blacks are in prison for violent crimes as opposed to whites, Asians and hispanics? How many blacks are in prison due to drug lelated crimes (violent or not)? The numbers are heavily stacked against your argument.
OK time out for PC for a few minutes...Just curious and one of thost things that make you go hmmmmm.
Ever since the white guy in Boston was busted for stalking and killing ladies from CL I've always wondered why ladies never say they DON'T see white guys. I've been monitoring the boards to see if the subject would even come up and I have not seen one mention of it.
In my unscientific analysis, the majority of serial killers have been, and continue to be white. Unfortunately it appears a number of their victims tend to be from the provider community. Yet, again, of the ladies who prefer not to see black men none don't include white men on the "don't see list" for any reason.
I've had two frank conversations with ladies who do not provide for black men and quite frankly, aside from being raised to think the way they do, they had stereotypical reasons why they did not see black men (this is the point where you can go view Michael Moore’s "Bowling For Columbine to get some examples of stereotypical views of black men).
I know the race thing and not seeing black men and/or races other then white has been overly discussed here but I've never seen a discussion where the script was flipped.
Soooooo, since the reality is that more serial killers, who prey on women, are white men and is not a stereotype why are there no providers who do not see white men because he might be a serial killer?
well my friend providers have the right to choose just like us hobbiest do,it could be for any reason.what,s the point of a encounter,if the other person feels uncomfortable.as long as provider tell you on the phone who they won,t see.i have been hobbeying for many years,i can tell you its way too many beautifull provider in this region,to hang up on just 1 or 2.its coming from guy who is hispanic.just my 2cents.
COMPLETE MYTH (that serial killers are all white). When that study came out it was in the 70s and the country was 90 percent white.
When one race is a majority, of course that race is going to appear the main culprit.
But PER CAPITA, there is no difference in Asian, black, white, hispanic, etc serial killers.
The media propagates this theory still. White children go missing, it's all over the news. Black children go missing, you rarely hear about it. White serial killer strikes, it's all over the news. Black serial killer might get a days worth of attention.
There's been numerous black serial killers in this country:
Travis Maury
Wayne Williams
Kendall Francois
Terry Blair
Zebra Killer
Freeway Phantom (DC)
Richard Jameswhite
Arthur Bomar
Eugene Britt
Coral Watts
Chester Turner
Maurice Byrd
Calvin Jackson
Jonathan Carr
Jarvis Catoe
Andre Crawford
George Russell
Paul Durousseau
Vaughn Greenwood
Ed Mosley
Alton Coleman
Leonard Christopher
Carlton Gary
Lorenzo J. Gilyard
Mark Goudeau
Ivan Hill
Robert Rozier
Harrison Graham.
Elton Jackson
Gregory Klepper
Henry Wallace
Derrick Todd Lee
Cleo Prince
Matthew Macon
Gerald Parker
Hulon Mitchell
Mike Vernon
Ricky Jovan Gray
Am I missing something here? Isn't this simply a business decision? If a provider decides not to see white men then she will probably have very few clients. I don't have the statistics but I think it's safe to say most hobbyists are white.
I not trying to be racist but lets face it, if Ted Bundy was black, he would have been caught long time ago. How many white people had blame blacks for crimes they committed? An example Susan Smith, killed her two babies and blamed it on a black man. Charles Stuart did the same in Boston when he killed his wife
In other words, the Bigger Thomas character in Native Son is STILL in the pyschie of Americans. The basis of racism in the first place, FEAR OF A BLACK MAN.
So white men like Ted Bundy can lure women, many prostitutes and kill them, while a black man can't get a paid date. WTF
How many black people blame the "white system" for commiting crimes? Everyone is an individual. If a woman can't see past skin color then she's not worth seeing anyway.
"Why are there no providers who do not see white men because there are more white men that are serial killers?
For some White people it never occurs to them to brand an entire race - their own race - as bad based on the actions of one White person. But they have no problem viewing every Black male as a criminal based on the actions of one Black male because it supports a racist belief that was there all along.
Your point is well taken but there are no rational explanations for racism. At the end of the day, that's what is at the root of most instances where a White provider will not see Black men. I don't begrudge anyone's right to be racist or have personal preferences, I just have more respect when people are honest about it.
Besides if a provider excluded white men she would be losing 95% of the hobbyist market. Excluding black men, even in an area like DC, will not cost that much. How many white hobbyists will boycott a provider because she doesn't see black men? Not many I'll wager.
Speaking of Michael Moore - Some years back he had a TV show. He filmed an experiment where he had two men - one black, one white - try to hail a cab in midtown Manhattan in NYC. The black guy was a Pulitzer prize winning author; the white guy was a convicted murderer who'd served 17 years in jail. 85% of the cabs went right by the black guy to pick up the white guy.
ChristianSands made a very poignant statement: there are no rational explanations for racism.
Racism still exists, and in some form will always exist in the minds of those who chose to feed into it. The media, in some form will always propagate the “race” theory, in return so do we. After all, we do live in the “real world” most times and use the hobby as a refuge of sorts. I’ve had guys say “I’ve never been with a black woman before...” as if I was derived from a different species.
I’m sure they didn’t mean to offend, and after the 20th or so time, I brushed it off with “Thank you, I’ve never been with a white guy who’s never been with a black woman. I thought you would have known, we’re all the rage!”
Several years back, Ebony providers had a strong presence on the D.C board. I knew of SEVERAL (some whom now are retired) who preferred to see black men. While no one posted this on their site, it was known. Some even had stereotypical reasons why they did not see white men. Irrespectively, it was what it was: a preference.
White hobbyists won’t boycott a white provider because she doesn't see black men, she is considered to have preferences. However I HAVE seen white hobbyists have a thing or two to say about black providers who don’t see black men, conversely it’s not considered a preference; it’s much more….
That observation sits hard with me.
This racism and stereotyping will only stop when we make a conscious decision to question our rationale in a cogent manner. Then, and only then, will things start to change. Those of you receptive of this paradigm shift, I encourage you do so.
Additionally, those who think that “think it's safe to say most hobbyists are white”, can continue thinking that if it helps you to sleep better at night.
Here’s a true bedtime story for you:
4 black providers are having lunch one day discussing marketing techniques and racial backgrounds of overall clientele.
Provider 1 was 50% white, 50% black
Provider 2 was 60% white, 40% black
Provider 3 was 70% white, 30% black
Provider 4 was 80% white, 20% black
Fast forward a few years near the end of her tenure, now Provider 4 has 50% white, 50% black clientele base.
But black men don't hobby....okay, my checking account says differently.
Enough of this racial discussion, at the end of the day the only color that truly matters is GREEN.
I agree. I'm young guy and some ladies won't see me b/c of my age. I just move on.
That's as big a myth as black men being better hung than other races.You are certainly showing your age.Quit playing the race card when you're not getting your way.You're obviously stuck in the 60's.
Link one ad that a black provider said No white men...LMAO
You should know that racism is not logical. You should also know that if a lady chooses not to see Black men, for whatever reason, she has that right, because this in not Denny's where everyone gets to eat! People don't think white men are going to rob them, kill them or hurt them, even if it happens every day. What is real is not the point, what is perceived in the minds of people is the point. There are people who don't see certain minority groups, so long as they make it clear who they don't see so they don't waste people's time.
Too many good things to think about in this hobby than why some ladies will see some and not others. Look into the ones who will see you and enjoy. Yes, I am Black too, and I have been there, but I don't have the time to worry about a lady who won't see me. I am too busy enjoying the ladies who do see me. (There are many).
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I've been in the business for much longer than most. And I've seen alot of different sides of it.
Some ladies do not see Black gentlemen by choice and others have pimps. Alot of the pimps will not allow them to see black men. I'm guessing that is because they know that they are personally attracted to black men. And they want to keep them. I know the pimp topic is not brought up here very often, but its a reality that they exist.
As for the White men being serial killers...
Are you serious? LOL! In this day and age people have to worry about going to a ATM and not getting robbed, getting shot in a drive by, robbed walking down the street, being held up at a bank or even robbed by a crazy client. I don't think a serial killer is at the top of my worries.
Just thought I would put in my little Twist on things.
wow ! I can't believe people .....if a ladys will only see white guys ...thats her CHOICE if she only wants to see black guys .... again , her CHOICE. If guys want Asian , whos cares ...his CHOICE . it has nothing to do with a crime or anything like that.
so , are you also saying that white guys will see and pay for ANY race of woman ? white,black or others ????
If you expect political correctness in this business then I actually believe that you are just making this point for the sake of arguing.
First, Let me tell you that I am a Pacific Islander not black nor white. I love women in general but I do have my preferances. I like white girls. As we say back home Haole Wahini
Well, the provider has the same luxury of handpicking her clients. First, the US Govt. will have to recognize the industry before it can sick the EEOC on the Agencies for not hiring as many black chicks as well as levy sanctions on white independents who don't see black clients. Second, then lets go after the NFL for not drafting wnite players (in proportion to the population of any given city) under affirmative action.
If you want to start stereotyping that more White guys are serial killers then I suggest that you look at the complete line of crime stats. How many blacks are in prison for violent crimes as opposed to whites, Asians and hispanics? How many blacks are in prison due to drug lelated crimes (violent or not)? The numbers are heavily stacked against your argument.
How many blacks are in prison due to drug related crimes? According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, as of April 2009, for blacks it is 21.6 percent, and for whites it's 42.6%. It's on their website; you can also find statistics on murders there. You might be very surprised.
Let's keep in mind that in the United States, blacks are still outnumbered by whites - blacks make up a smaller percentage, yet more blacks are in jail. There is a reason for that, and if you care to know why, there are many studies on the topic. Hispanic population is completely different - they are growing and will outnumber the other races very soon.
OK so in drug charges the whites outnumber blacks 2/1. Now look on the overall population stats. Dow hites outnumber blacks 2/1. Hell NO According to the Dept. Of Census the black popluation in the US is around 13%.
That means that by percentage more blacks commit drug related charges thah whites.
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I guess if you crunched all of the market data, you'd find that what you are saying regarding serial killers is correct in that most of them within the US are white. It does make sense that if the majority of your population is white then most of your ____ (fill in the blank) are also going to be white. However, not every killer is a serial killer and if you'd take a second to stop ignoring the fact that the murder rate in let's say DC or PG county is much higher than that of say Fairfax or Loudon county you'd see that it is because a lot of black people are well....killing people. So if you are going to isolate the reason for a provider to not seeing black men because of the proportion of murderers within a specific race group then you just answered your own question. And before you jump on some conspiracy theory b/s let me add this. It for some reason seems to be so much more captivating to hear about the white suburbanite killing some poor white girl on CNN than a black guy killing a black girl so there is a dispropotionate amount of media attention paid to white killing than black.
I personally don't see why a provider wouldn't see one race or another but your serial killer arguement is pointless.
Take it over there if you want to discuss crime statistics and serial killers etc.
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