I recently had a disagreement with an agency over what is / should be considered GFE. I scheduled an appt. with a lady and clearly ask the agency (who will remain unnamed) if the lady was GFE. I was assured she was. When I got there I was immediately told that there were rules, and one of those rules was CBJ.

In my opinion, a GFE does not tell you rules when you walk in, and a GFE does not do CBJ.

Perhaps I am the minority, so I bring it to you.

What is expected from a GFE session?

I will send you PM, because I had the same argument a yr or so ago (before  I gave up on agencies altogether and just decided to go with indies).

After reading the ladies reviews they state that she tells you the rules in the begining. I however; could not get onto TER from my phone yesterday to read her reviews, and was relying on the agency to give me an honest response about whether someone was a GFE or not.

We then had a disagreement about whether CBJ should still be considered GFE or not, so I came here to ask everyone here if they believe CBJ should still be GFE? or is CBJ is GFE with an exception that should be pointed out? or if CBJ eliminates GFE status?

That was really my point.

As you can see I had stopped posting review for awhile, but I guess I need to start posting them again.

of what exactly GFE is.

In my books, DFK, FS are must for it to be a GFE. If these are not there, then I would think of the girl as a liar and a ripoff. I love BBBJ, but I am flexible when it comes to it as far the definition of GFE is concerned. That being said, I would not see a girl who offers CBJ.

If you think that BBBJ is a must for GFE, then so that is fine by me.

For me, those two things really make up a girlfriend experience, preferably DFK.
All the other acronyms are flexible, but my girlfriends never used a condom for a BJ. So if you're advertising GFE it should be included.

I've sent you PM. When you get your VIP back, get back to me that way we can compare notes.

I could be wrong, but if the session starts off with a disagreement, it's not going to be a very satisfying one for anybody.  Probably best to fold  'em and walk if you can at that point. Or settle for whatever is being offered.

Just seems to be that a bit of enthusiasm goes with GFE however else you may define it. Nobody can get very enthusiastic after an argument.

I would think TER reviews would be the best guidance beforehand. Sounds like maybe it was not in this case. But you DID say you were no longer a VIP.

Buyer beware.  It's whatever gets you in the door to spend your money.

The three letters you describe mean nothing.  Just like you not letting everyone know which agency it is that you dealt with.

I don't have the time to look up that but there are levels of what is considered GFE and it varies from provider to provider along with hobbyist to hobbyist.

At minimum Kissing, DFK
Next - MSOG
Next - BBBJ
Next - BBBJCIM

But it really sucks when they start with the rules which blows away any pretense of GFE

I think that grading system is something called the St Barts? Someone else can look it up

This is a business.   Agencies will say what they think you want to hear in order to get you to show up for the appointment.  It's all about getting your money.  They know if they can get you to see the girl they're going to get paid.  Who cares whether you got what you wanted or not.  This industry will never be known for customer service.  The only way to avoid such situations is to stick to doing research and know what to expect ahead of time.  Every time I've wandered away from doing my own research it has come back to bite me.  Consider this a lesson learned.

.... some might say it depends on the overall experience and how she makes you feel yada yada but to boil it to basic acts  then at least lfk or dfk, bbbj, daty.

Although she may give other BBBJ, it could be something about your parts that makes her decide not to do or breath so bad that DFK is also off the table.  So to answer your question DFK and mutual touchng is GFE, BBBJ w.CIM  would be PSE

No girl friend...or one night stand, for that matter, ever insisted on a condom before giving me a blow job.  And at $300 bucks and hour, no provider ever should!

a sense of humor, intelligence, empathy-- in short, a willingness to show enthusiasm. If those kinds of personality traits are there, I can deal with CBJ. No kissing to speak of is never a GFE.

Which makes seeing agency girls disappointing at times. However, there are some that do give true GFE's also. Just like Indies, agency girls vary, even within  the same agency. Read the reviews and determine things for yourself.

Yes baby I'm all that and more ... GFE+++  read my reviews

1 - This horse has been beaten to death, beaten some more, and then beaten even more.  There have been countless threads on this issue of what does "GFE" mean.  For the millionth time, here is the answer - the term means nothing.  Why?  Because everyone has their own meaning.  What constitutes a GFE in your book may not be what constitutes a GFE in someone else's book.  And that difference of opinion is likely to be greatest when you're talking about the opinion of a hobbyist versus the opinion of a provider.  You can gather all of the "amens" you want from other hobbyists, but the bottom line is that a provider can be accurately billed as a GFE without having to offer every single service you subjectively feel should be included in that characterization.  If you want a specific service, read the reviews or PMs of other hobbyists to verify that it is offered.  Don't rely on a numerical rating system or your understanding of the term "GFE."  For what it's worth, if your girlfriend was working as an escort or PVer and billed herself as "GFE", I'll bet that your definition of "GFE" for her would include CBJ.

2 - When would you have preferred that the provider tell you her "rules" - when you were done?

3 - I find it hard to believe that any hobbyist or agency associate would exchange communications - by phone, email, text, whatever - in which expectations of specific sexual acts was discussed.  I hope you used a hobby phone.

Your SO kicks you out the door and toss your stuff out the window.

GFE is different things to different people. I never pay attention to the GFE label.

Lol now see PSE can vary on whp you ask also.... all that to ME is still GFE....it's not PSE (to me) until you add in greek.

....if that's the case most of my sessions I've been reviewed for are GFE minues the kissing. lol

GFE means Girl Friend Experience. So, lets put that into perspective. Now, when you have a Girlfriend, does she ask you to cover up for a BJ? Does she hesitate to DFK you? Does she allow you to DATY? Base on my experiences, all of my past girlfriends (not providers) would always allow these three experiences. If she doesn't allow, I simply ask her WTF is going on. Because she is my Girlfriend, I wouldn't expect nothing less. The only covered service I would receive from a GFE is for full service. When anyone states GFE, always think of your own Girlfriend and the rules that applies to her. GFE is always (not sometimes, and not with certain clients) BBBJ, DFK, & DATY, always, there is no exception to it. Anyone that disagrees is wrong.

I recently saw an absolutely gorgeous lady that Dfk'd like there was no tomorrow but only offered CBJ. FS was great so I still considered her to be GFE. BBBJ isn't a deal breaker for me tho. I knew it going in thanks to TER. I know where I can get BBBJ if I want it but they won't look as good as this girl does. So I guess it depends on what you're looking for.
I'd repeat with her tho I know several that won't.

I'm not sure if it applies to the whole thing.

My ex does not do BJ but I'm fine with that; in fact, I'd rather her not do it. I prefer HJ over BJ. Occasionally I go down for DATY but only if she has taken a shower. A real GF makes you beg, do you expect a provide (not the BDSM type) make you beg too?

To me, GFE is not the things that she does but the feelings that she elicits in you for her. It is the description TER has for a performance of 9 -- "forgot it was a service".  No matter how she licks and sucks and lets you enter her anus, which might be a PSE, but if the experience feels like she is doing this just for the money it's not GFE.

on the last thing I'm thinking about is in the money .... lmao