I used to be here in the military back in the mid 90's.  Just returned about 2 months ago to work as a civilian.  Wow!  The quality of the "hobbyist" services in the DC area has decreased while the cost has naturally increased.  A man could get anything he wanted in this town back then for a reasonable price.  What happened while I was gone?    Now you can't even find a decent AMP that offers full service.  Back then they all did.  Now you can wave 2 bills in their face and they caution you to put it away as if there were surveillance cameras pointed at them.   I found a few outstanding independent providers here but they were all visiting from out of town temporarily.  No locals that you can make a regular Saturday afternoon experience out of.  Am I just looking in the wrong place?  Can the locals offer advice?  I'm from Texas so you might imagine it is pretty easy to find what you want there.  I remember it used to be pretty easy here too.  I suspect he more affordable costs of the hobby was (then) due to the fact there was more competition in the market among providers.  Just guessing.  That's why you can still get full service from a 22 year old hottie in an AMP in Houston for about $150.  They know you can go to any number of competing places if they are too expensive or picky about the services they provide.  LOL

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Texas? I hear they miss you. Bye
 

As you note, the AMP scene is nothing like it use to be.  LE pretty much dismantled the DMV AMP scene.  Now you have Asian agencies that may or may not get back to you.  They are so unreliable I don't even try anymore.  To satisfy my Asian fix I rely on Independents.

As for cost, again your observation is correct.  Cost has simply increased.  Hence, one needs to do their research to determine if the potential ROI will be worth it.

As it relates to local talent I've always employed a 70/30 mix of "visitors" to "locals" ratio.  This is due primarily to the need for variety.  However, as you note, the local talent level has declined since the late 90's and early 2000's.

The overall hooker scene has changed much since the 90's.  Hell, I remember before I ever saw my first prostitute that they were parading up and down 14th street like it was; well; a parade.  Now you can hardly see/find a street walker anymore.

ADVICE:  Before your next trip to DC do some good research and arrange your tryst before arriving.  To arrive without pre-planning and assume you can "fall into" a good session is a gamble at best.

Per your note on Houston is the same true for Dallas regarding the AMP scene?  I will be in Dallas on business soon.

I would wager few in Alabama are missing your nasty attitude.  Thanks for giving me one ad to check off my list before wasting my time.  LOL

You're welcome

Regarding Dallas vs. Houston:  Yes, you can get the same level of play there ass in Houston but only if you understand 1 minor minor thing that usually takes (even the locals) a while and a few wasted dollars to figure out.   In Houston they call it a massage parlor even if the employees there are not CMT qualified and it is OK.  Dallas is different.  If a girl claims to offer massages (sensual or otherwise) with no certification she can get nabbed and the whole place gets shut down.  So when you go to one of the MANY remarkable AMPS or even an outcall provider and after the TS / get to know you phase she states clearly that "she does not provide massages".  Go along with that and agree.  Just hand her 2 bills and say, "That's fine, let's just get to know each other then.".  All the magic you came in expecting will now begin.  LOL

I can't begin to tell you how many guys I know get up off the table and leave at that point believing someone is trying to scam them into spending an hour with a girl and getting nothing at all for their money.  I admit, that is what it will seem is about to happen when she makes that announcement but that is far from the truth.  Apparently some of the local "real massage" locations lobbied some years ago to shut down unlicensed parlor.  This is the way the AMPS who provide FS manage to stay in business.  That being said, there are a hand full of AMPS who have gone the extra mile to send their ladies to school to get certified.  They are few and far between.  Now that I think about it, some of them are not even AMPS as they have a multicultural staff ranging from Hispanic to Asian to Caucasian all under 1 roof.  I still prefer Houston though.  No games.  No code words.  All fun and it is all over that town.  There are parlors that were open in the 80's when I was in High School that still operate.  No LE harassment at all.

Damn are always like this? Seems so.  

Sir,  are you speaking to me or her?  I've never posted here before this thread.  That's why I ask.  

Ron

Wow, for someone in the "service industry" you are a hateful little minx aren't you?  LOL

The 90's rocked when it came to AMP's. There were several in DC and a few over in MD that were awesome. I used to go to one in DC on NY Ave that had lineups and usually 6-8 young hot asians. And yes, you could get the whole menu for under $200.  

I dont know when the scene went to shit, but I know AMP's around now are 180 degrees different. I think youre lucky if you can get a rub and tug now.  

As for this Heather chick, with an attitude like that you should work for the IRS honey.

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Hotel rooms are in the 300 price range. I think most girls are around that. Back in the 90s I can guess rooms were probably half that, just like escort prices. We're still working on the "1 appt would cover the cost of the room and anything after that is profit" business model. Doesn't make sense to get a room and have to see 3 guys just to cover costs.

My guess this has to be part of the inflation.

Good news though, the HIV rate here is a fraction of what it was in the 90s.

Dallas and Houston both have SIGNIFICANTLY lower cost of living.  There has to be a considered adjustment as far as cost goes when one goes to a place with a higher cost of living.  Just as you make more here (on average) things will cost more.  

As a former military man, think of it like BAH or COLA adjustments.  In, say, Dallas area, BAH will be somewhere around 1100-1700/month.  Whereas here and in a lot of the northeast (I'm touring from Boston), the BAH will be at least 2000/month (starting).  

Dallas has a lot of high quality gals at the AMPs and as independent providers at a fraction of what DC/Boston/NYC gals will rate.  Dallas apartments (or even mortgages) are going to run you around $900/month for a high quality place in a suburb.  I live in a Boston suburb an HOUR outside of the city and pay twice that for my little bungalow.  Additionally, a Dallas 4 or 5 star hotel, when booked, will cost around 60-80.00 for a night.  My DC hotels cost over 200.00 for each night. And yes, that was using priceline.  

To compare locales without considering the change in costs of living would be an incomplete picture.  It's easy to forget that even in this industry, supply and demand run supreme.

However , you are correct that rates have  substancially increased . I believe that is a factor of of inflation , a strong regional economy and the quality of the ladies.

If you are mising the days when 14th street was called "the stroll" and desperate women many addicted to crack and all controled by pimps took over a few blocks , yes, those days are long gone.

The AMPs were natural targets. Low hanging fruit so to speak. There were quite a few , very visible and advertised in the sports section of mainline newspapers. With LE flush with HLS dollars after 911 and more to be had for targeting trafficing the days of the AMPs were numbered.

There are far more legit and first rate ladies based in and touring DC than ever before. No , your $200 won't quite cut it anymore but for $300 you can enjoy an hour with a top notch Provider.

If that is simply more than you are willing to invest , may I suggest Central America. I understand $100 goes a long ways down there

Central America?  That's a bit too far.  Actually you can still get top notch for $150 in Houston Texas.  You can get a Playboy class Korean girl in Biloxi for $200.  Indianapolis?  About $150 as well.  You can get top notch providers in LA for around $200 as well and that is a pretty darned expensive place to live.  No, I was never into "the stroll" back in the 90s.  To risky and crack whores aint my thang.  $300 isn't too bad but I think they charge it only because they know the market will pay it.  That's why incredible girls go for $150 in Houston.  They know the market will never pay $300.  

once you pass screening.  Sometimes the answer after screening is no, & although they may not notify the applicant, they assume he'll eventually figure it out.

.....but, do not come into our wonderful district, and complain that it is not like home.  We have all been guilty of the "oh, when I lived in (enter state), I could get a glass of wine/beer for $5.00, a haircut for  
$10.00 and rent was $$$ per month.

   This is DC.  You will not, unless you go to happy hour, find a glass of wine for $5.00, or a decent haircut for $10.00.  Rent? Forget about it!  

   Keep in mind that the late 90's was when courtesans were able, for the first time, to go online and advertise their services.  They were not subjected to the local underground papers, etc.  Advertising has become very, very expensive, yet the internet has opened the door for many ladies.  Some are porn stars, gfe's, amps, models, etc, and all have a niche that they fill, and fill very well in DC.  There are, in my opinion, just as many "hotties" as you call them at $150. as there are ladies such myself: $500. per hour.  That is why Baskin Robbins makes 31 Flavors: something for everybody.

   I would suggest that you do not be quite so condescending, and be more open to locals suggestions.  Many gentlemen on this board know of many "hidden gems" that might fit your needs. Many ladies and gentlemen in the district have standing weekly dates, and I am sure, you will find yours.

   Welcome, good luck, and enjoy your stay!

Hugs and Kisses,
Kelly

     

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it just can't be justified over this post, Kelly.

Common sense, well said and gently correcting, with respect.

You should offer "how to post intelligently" classes. I've noticed a few who could use some work in that area. ;

The standard of living is different in every city. Back home in NC I can buy a miniature mansion for what my condo here costs. It's all relative.

Sir Ron, look at where my comment was placed. Under her comment. Anything else?  

Well said, Kelly.  I think the OP gave the impression that he was entitled to have it just like the good old days, hence a couple of tart responses.  No, things change because of circumstances and you either go with the flow or move on.  I've watched the local scene for several years and I'd say quality and value are up even though acquiring them may take more research and testing than before.  But knowledge comes quickly to those who are observant and are astute enough to absorb what they are learning. Whining about the good old days will get one nowhere.

You gotta love a good asian AMP or agency.  Seriously.  I am not so worried about the pre-screening.  I'll tell them whatever they want to know.  I can't lose my job (I work for myself).  I have also used a few escorts for years repeatedly who will vouch for me as long as they do not mind calling escorts 800 miles away for the reference.  That being said, these escorts I speak of all have profiles here and on 411, some for years.  

I would actually hope to find a good local girl who does not travel into the DC area for a week or two and leave.  If I can find maybe 3 of those that I can call on periodically - that would be ideal.  They will then trust me and I can trust them.  Everyone will be happy.  

Which asian agencies are good around here?

Quick question,  where did you find a 4 - 5 star hotel in Dallas for $60 - $80 a night?  LOL  

I get what you are saying about cost of living.  When I lived in Houston in 99 the average cost in an AMP or even a MP (no "A") was FS for around $120.  Of course, again, there was (and still is) a ton of competition in Houston, TX.  Some of the indy girls and Parlors that don't make it have simply priced themselves out of the market.  On the flip side - I know 2 AMPS that were around $120 when I graduated from High School (yes, in Houston) in 1983.  They are still operating today.  Their cost for FS has skyrocketed to around $160 in 2014.  That's a whopping $40 difference.  LOL

Cost of living does drive prices.  I get that.  Too bad the same competition factor does not exist here to help curb the upwards trend though like in Houston.  The reason, I believe there is so much competition there is because, although it is illegal there just like anywhere else - LE generally does not do much about it.  These places either operate so discretely in their areas or they have located themselves in one of several well know "red light" areas where people only go when they are seeking adult entertainment.

Nope.  Just wasn't sure if I should answer or not based upon whether you were speaking to me or her.  Thanks for the clarification.

No, not exactly "entitled".  I'm a Libertarian.  I do not feel entitled to anything.  LOL

I just see such a huge difference since the late 90's.  I used the word "prude" for a reason.  I've been told all the AMPs offering FS were shut down by LE.  At one time it seemed as though LE around here did not bother with such things as victimless crimes such as this one.  A guy wants something.  A girl is willing to provide it for a mutually agreed upon price and everyone is happy - nobody gets hurt.  It's as honest an exchange as going to a store to purchase any other item.  There is no reason that it should have ever been made illegal anywhere in the US.  But prudishness caused it to be.  That being said, DC was once one of those places where, even though it was illegal, there were real crimes going on that the Police focused on.  This was not, generally, one of them.  Now it seems to occupy a real spot on their radar.  Too bad.  Criticize me for liking to old days but the fact still stands, I liked the old days when you could either take the time to look for an indy girl, go to an agency or if you were pressed for time and needing a little relief, could simply drop into any AMP and take care of business without an appointment and there were tons of girls to choose from

Nope.  No spanking.

Unless.....well....unless you are really into that sort of thing.  LOL

Ah you make a valid point of risk/reward, which also drives price.  

Oh I was in the galleria area in Dallas. 67.00/night for a 4 star you make a point that their prices haven't increased much and to be quite honest, I don't know what AMP or MP with FS run around here but to be fair, it's not the same to compare an independent lady working from hotels with higher overhead to an AMP in a permanent location with little to no advertising costs. Add in costs for photos, travel, safety concerns, privacy concerns, the amount of time screening, website develoment, etc.  

I actually calculated out my ACTUAL hourly income when you consider the hours you spend outside of the hotel room and I think a lot of hobbyists would be surprised. In MP and AMP, this is not as much the case.  

Just my .02. Happy hobbying

Today people used bp (backpage) to get a quick relief. It is like just in time of manufacturing. You call the provider up 10 minutes to 1/2 hour before you are ready to get to the appointment. If you see them on a regular basis you get priority access some 24x7.

This organization was responsible for getting most of the prostitution laws in states all around the US in the early 1900s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman%27s_Christian_Temperance_Union

A few years back in 2009 some high powered women in the DC found out their husbands were into the hobby. They lobbied LE to have the huge crackdowns that we have seen

I was learning my basic English... Lol...  Reading post like this helps me to understand this HOBBY LIFESTYLE a bit more!!! 😋😋😋😋

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Hugs and Kisses,
Kelly

I was always wondering what triggered the Great AMP Purge in 2009 around DMV area. Now AMPs around DC MD VA is an hollow shell of what it used to be. Now you would be lucky to pay similar amount to get a handy from a haggard asian old enough to be my aunt, and I'm in my 40s!

I used to think things were better in DE or NJ, but my recent road trip revealed me the sad reality that they are also being hunted down, on the decline, and the age/quality of provider has gotten pretty bad. It was sad browsing other AMP review sites to see members being giddy about an hopeful possibility of an AMP might give you a handy (NOVA service! Puh!) by a "cougar" in 40-50s!

Looks like if you want a decent AMP experience, you'd need to go NYC or above, or Atlanta or lower south. We do have some great k-girl agencies here but most of them are very exclusive and hard to get in.

As for price, this region isn't too bad with many provider still holding 300 like, with many creeping up to 350 or above. I do see many visitors requiring "California" rate occasionally.

If you are looking for a cheap quickie, you can take your chance with BP, but I'd stick with well-reviewed TER ads

The forced trafficking of Asian women was more of an issue than I knew until I did some research.  I'm a big fan of Asian women.  After learning of the strong presence of trafficking I stopped going to AMPs and favored Independents to assure me that they were providing willingly.

Many of the AMPs that were shut down in the DMV were certified traffickers.  To those I say....Good Ridence and Good Bye!

Interesting post.  I'd like to summarize where I think we are and where we should be, for what it's worth.  
I think I detected in this long thread some longing for the good old days when there were streetwalkers on Logan Circle and 14th Street.  If that's true, let's start there.  A lot of those folks were runaway girls, drug addicts, some victims of trafficking, some victimized by pimps.  
I don't know where they have gone, maybe inside to work the internet, but they're better off than they were.  My view:  Girls/women found plying their trade in this way should be put into supervised rehab programs and given a chance to straighten out.  Their customers should have six months minimum regular community service for a first offense. Pimps and traffickers should be in the lockup.      
For the rest of us, CONSENSUAL BEHAVIOR BETWEEN OR AMONG ADULTS IS NOT THE BUSINESS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.  Nor should the government be involved in running licensed brothels, beyond health and drug checks.
Now here's some back history for those who weren't here.  There was a huge LE bust in 2006 throughout the Northeast and many of the AMPs shut down never returned, esp in DC.  Some foreign women were deported, railroaded out of the country without sufficient due process.  A couple of AMPS tried a comeback, and were successful for a while (Orange and RIO come to mind), but then they too were gone.  There were many other good ones that are gone for good.  In Virginia, some days there were over 40 different ads for AMPS in the Post sports pages.  The quality ran the gamut.  More recently they have been trickling back but YMMV reigns.  If you're diligent, you will be rewarded.  It's harder to find good ones, but they're there, sometimes UTR.  As for K "agencies," one reasons they are so popular is their value and the stress they place on hygiene, discretion, and security for everyone.  Not to mention overall quality, which I think is the best overall in the industry.
Bottom line: don't pine for "the good old days" -- do your homework, don't be a wise guy when seeking appointments, and remember the Golden Rule.  Of course there are stiffs of both genders in this business, but in some ways things are better than ever.

DC has been good to me over the past 25 plus years.  Worked at 18th and L back in the 80's and lived at 14th and R and would walk home and be hit on more times than I could count by the Street gals.  Into the 90's and early 2000's the AMP scene was amazing until I recall someone at the Vermont Spa was murdered and then within 2 years poof they were all gone.

After 9/11 when all the govt spending came in the prices started going up.  The recession in 2008 through 2010 helped with the prices moderating, however since then with all the stimulus, many new and expensive gals are in town (a few who post on this board weren't here 10 years ago).  Its Capitalism at its best, albeit a stimulation by Obama and government.

You're welcome. Follow the thread. Have a great day.  

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You say the same thing about Gas or anything with Inflation. Gas was $1 in the 90's. Now it is 3x to 4x times the price. It is still probably cheaper in Texas too because of the refineries....

 
And hence when DC goes from 300murders a yr to less than 100 you gotta fight something else...it's a money thing. Next thing DC will be cracking down on jay walking to fund things.  

And a lady can charge any price...doesn't mean you have to pay it. The fact is prices lower when dudes stop paying elevated prices. If $300 is a drop in a bucket for many the girls have no worries unless hobbyist band together to stop seeing girls in a certain price range on principle alone...but I doubt that unity will ever happen, lol.

I, too, remember the "good ol' days" in DC.  As others have said, DC had an incredible scene back in those days.  There were great strip clubs, lots of consistently high-quality AMPs, and lots of reputable agencies.  The only thing that hasn't changed is the top-quality independent ladies.  Crystal Fox (long-since retired) rocked my world, and literally every guy in town tried like crazy to book Robin.  I never found another place anywhere quite like H&H Flotation!

I think things became too much out in the open.  I also remember all the ads in the Washington Post sports section.  The level of extras were very geographically segregated, with the fewest in NOVA, an "intermediate" level in MD, and the complete package in DC.  Many were Metro-accessible, which meant you could stop in for a "nooner," between meetings, or after work.  

What happened?  My take:

1. Emphasis on human trafficking.  This was definitely a big reason for the attacks on the AMP industry.  As others have said, I am glad we got serious about what really is slavery.  There were a couple of agencies that were busted for having underage girls -- remember Vanessa Dash?  

2. Visibility.  Even in the internet of the 90s and early 00s, everything was pretty much out there.  Message boards such as TER started up and, suddenly, there was an easy way for guys and ladies to exchange information.  Booking a lady became much more of a sure thing than the days of picking out an escort agency from the Yellow Pages (Remember doing that???) or someone from the ad section of the free papers in the porn shops.  In DC, we also had the City Paper.  As the "information highway" got easier to use, we all became a lot more visible whether we liked it or not.  The downside to this was that it became much easier for cops and city officials to monitor what was going on and to decide when enough was enough.

3. The industry is based in a pretty small area.  How many of us have visited MPs, incalls, and outright brothels in the boonies in various places around the country?  We all have our favorite locations where we scratch our heads and say, "Who would have ever thought that THIS was going on HERE?"  But, here in DC, almost everything is city-based.  

4. DC doesn't have a lot of industry.  Unlike most other cities, there aren't the industrial areas, truckstops, etc, where it's a lot easier to blend in or at least be low-key.  Here in DC, our "industries" are government and academia.  

5. Politicians.  There are just enough high-visibility "outings" to act as a deterrent.  Think Eliot Spitzer and Anthony Weiner and the famous "Black Book" from that agency (can't remember the name).  There is a certain sport here in DC to try to catch a big shot engaging in the hobby.  On a related note, I'm convinced that most of the rubbernecking on the Beltway is because people want to get a close look to see if it's somebody famous who's getting a ticket or who was in a wreck.  

6. Loss of spontaneity.  Back a few years ago, any hobbyist could be almost completely spontaneous.  You could get the urge and drop into an AMP or call an agency almost any day and any time.  These days, it frankly takes a lot of effort to hobby.  You either have to drive a significant distance to find an AMP or sign on to a screening service and book a lady in advance.  Screening has become a necessary evil in today's environment, but, it does require some advanced planning on both parties.  When the urge strikes, I can still pick uo the phone and call any number of agencies and have a great outcall experience with a gorgeous lady -- in Canada!  There are tons of ladies I would like to see here in DC.  But, it takes a lot of effort.  I'm not saying that things should change -- just that it's different these days.

7. Money.  I think some of this had to do with politicians realizing how much revenue they were losing by allowing a big hobby industry to exist.  There was a multi-million dollar per year industry that was, for the most part, either not paying taxes or only paying a portion.  I had a friend years ago who owned an agency in a western city.  He told me that the general rule was that LE would leave you alone as long as you paid your taxes and stayed low-key.  AMPs and agencies in DC did neither.

8. We're all getting older!  Less of us play less often because it's either financially or physically more difficult.  When you think about it, the 90s were 20-25 years ago!  Gen-X is a really small generation, so, there's not the sheer numbers of guys and ladies that their used to be.  I have no idea how the Millennials satisfy nature's urges.  The rise of the "MILF" was not because we discovered "older" ladies.  It was because we all grew older and relate mentally and physically to ladies near our ages.

Sorry this turned into a dissertation!

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Also, you bring back memories of all the ads in the Washington Post and City Paper.

The major difference between the price of gas in various states is the amount of taxes charged by the each state. Transportation costs from the various refineries is an almost irrelevant factor.

When I wrote my post (7/15/2014 6:40:21 AM), I forgot one really unique provider active in DC during this period.  Does anyone remember the Car Wash?  Does anyone want to admit they hobbied there?