One reason is that many men who want to see a Transsexual are not gay. It's just a momentary 'walk on the wildside' so to speak.

very well put  thats exactly why

I kinda like a transsexual to look like a transsexual.  Especially if I'm out and about and I'm going to be seen with one.  I guess I can understand the desire to look just like a GG, but I think t-girls have their own look and style that is as good if not better.  

I sometimes wonder if the demand to look passable might explain so many fake ads.  It certainly explains the boob jobs, I think.  Give me a pretty pre-op t-girl with natural breasts and hips any day.

In my own case, it's very simple: I'm attracted to women. I enjoy being with a T-girl because, really, it's kind of a "forbidden fantasy" thing for me that I find very hot. However, if the T-girl isn't passable, then I'm not interested (and I'm not knocking them in any way; it's simply a matter of what I'm attracted to). I hope that doesn't sound too shallow or anything, it's just that like most things in this hobby, it's about what turns your crank.

Interesting...Don't believe I've ever heard anyone prefering a t-girl who looked "less" passable.
I'm with mjp./ I'm strictly attracted to women but I love BIG cock..(weird I know). I would never consider kissing a guy but if he's hung I'd happily blow him/ and yet I only want to be with a t-girl who's hot enough to make me want to make out with her (being hung I would just consider icing on the cake)..Guess I'll second mjp once again and say "it's all about whatever turns your crank"
I can still remember the first time I saw a t-girl porno. I had been through my local video rental's entire collection of straight anal sex tapes and said to myself "welp/ there's gotta be anal in THIS video cause there's certainly no vag sex goin' on"...lol It was an actress named "Stasha" (mostly on film as a brunette but this particular one she was blonde /another proclivity of mine/ and OMG I fell in love!! haha! That was in 1989 and I've been an ardent admirer ever since. ANYWAY..........
Thanx for "listening"/ always appreciate being able to share this stuff with like-minded individuals such as yourselves...Enjoy the holidays everyone! Be safe/ Have Fun!

It is just me. I don't know about anyone else.
I've tried a Ts without boobs or flat chest, my mind kept telling me that I was with a guy LOL.
So I couldn't get it up and I left. She was pretty.
But when I saw her naked, I still could see manly shape.
Boobs are important, even if small ones to complete a transexual's transition.
My two cents

I always just thought it meant that she was attractive, but guess for some it means that she looks like a GG as opposed to a TV dressed up? Not sure.

I like beautiful women, so I don't mind a bit that these ladies work so hard to look that way. You got to give them credit, some of these ladies are nothing short of truly amazing how great they look. Hate to say it, but I really dig the great boob jobs, not a deal breaker by any means, but I sure do like em'. Think the full figured ones, ones with a little meat on them, not skinny, with nice curves, are very nice too. Once again, not a deal breaker, there are some awesome providers out there who have passed on the boob jobs, surgery, etc, and who still look great, as is.

Damn, now I want to go on a date.

and we are the bravest people in the world, we face every worst situation, we work hard and we have to have thick skin to face all the strangers calling name, discrimination, abuse, etc, ( but that was back in my country ). We are still standing tall with our chin up. We can change our look at anytime, but inside still the same.

To be passable is not that easy, although there are tons of great cosmetic surgery, but its not guarantee, passable for me meaning how do we act in public, body languange, and how to interact with people. People will respect you if you respect yourself

I love this country, I've been full time woman for the last three years but felt like a woman since i was 7. I never have any problem in this country, maybe the minor one, but it takes a lot for me to be sad and feel down. I am proud of who I am, I respect girls who went thru surgery and spend lots of money and effort to look good, but to me, whats inside is matter! I would like some surgery one day just to enhance my look, but for now, I m blessed with what I have.

Truts me, if you treat us like a woman, we would be automatically passable

PS: I would take any boobs donor...LOL

very well said... I would have to admit similar to another post above, I am attracted to women, but do find the TS to be an exciting experience... but more than looks, it's about attitude, it's really about intellect... at least for me that is... Personally I see the this hobby as more of a sensual experience than sexual... I guess that explains the hard time I've hat so far to go for it...

Now, about that Detroit visit you were planning on making...

G - You are the very definition of passable, don't change a thing!!!

And you're exactly right about the issue.  It's mostly attitude.  I've seen TV/TG/CDs that don't especially LOOK like women, but their persona was so confident and sexy you can't help but be attracted to them.

It's that I'm not gay, but I do enjoy mutual anal sex with women to include my wife.  TS's, especially passable ladies, help me fulfill that part of my sex life better than a GG with a strap-on, because they (generally) enjoy the sex more and don't get weird when I ask for anal play as many GG's have.

Psychologically I know that a CD or TV is basically a man in a wig who may or may not be going the TG route eventually.  The "not gay" part kicks is and I couldn't get hard if I wanted to.  

TS's have gone the extra step and are living as women in pretty much every way, so it's easier to make the mental transition that I'm with a passable TS woman since she believes it too.

Hopefully that came out right....too much egg nog.

Merry Xmas everyone!

i echo the sentiments of being attracted to women and i consider TS women on the inside & outside.
Dont want to give alot of personal info but i work in a profession where often i was the only straight man. Gay co workers came on to me constantly. they used to get me in situations where they hoped they might entice me. Once i came back to my room and a gay  co worker was getting a blowjob from a female co worker. I asked her if she would do that for me, as he had a huge load sprayed everywhere and she said she was married and gay guys weren't cheating. Then she said she would blow me if the guy could suck too.
I went limp immediately. Trust me life would have been so much easier if i liked guys.
I have actually went on dates with TS that were so passable my co workers never knew. the girl eventually went through with the transformation and got married.

I have to agree with the post about being all woman on the inside. I have spent loads of time with effeminate men, and they are not TS. Not even close, they are just flaming. they feel feminine but are not women, ts are women.Brave women. I think of some of the girls i know and they have so many feminine characteristics & instincts. They are just total girls, not pretending to be a girl like a gay guy in a dress, they see the world through a womens eyes. I met a really wonderful TS here in LA some time ago and we talked for hours, every moment was like being with one of my old girlfriends.I knew what she was going to say or do before she did it.
Even though people talk about discrimination, if you are gay or lesbian you dont know anything like the discrimination a TS feels. I talked to my friend about going to a swing party together, i really wanted to get off with her in front of an audience(big exhibitionist here) Turns out all these "open minded swingers" can handle straight, gay, lesbian sex but TS is a major taboo and not allowed. So i said lets hit a gay bathouse, she said if you have tits they wont let you in. Once you have had any surgery you are not allowed in.WTF?
So my take on this whole "passable" thing is the girls are being who they are they are not
"trying" to be passable, they are being honest about who they are and they are representing themselves the way they feel. I love & admire them for it.
Girls THANK YOU for being you!

very thoughtful message I agree !

What an awesome thread.

As an attractive, educated, & total opposite of ALL stereotypes TS woman, i have to say that it is the rare gentlemen - you fellows - that are such a gift in so many ways - the ones that will always seem to appreciate us, as the girls we really are, and have always been.

I have to thank the gentleman that started this thread - the first post was just as wonderful as these last ones - Yes - indeed - there are huge double standard WTF !? situations that True Ts girls have to face, as a part of our lives and challenges, in what is still largely a very hostile and completely hypocritical and elitist culture about many such issues.

One can only hope the world grows up someday and gets over itself and realizes that we have always been here, and will always continue to be so - and every bit as real women as any GG in most cases. Heart, mind, Body(as much as can possibly achieved, or are gifted with), and soul!

The real gentlemen seekers out there that truly appreciate us for who and what we really are, often make the struggles more than worthwhile, and are so deeply appreciated it goes beyond words(speaking for myself) -

i could never see doing anything other than returning the love and respect in a hundredfold, whenever given the opportunity, and in the most loving, respectful, and intelligent way - - Most especially with the sincere first-time seekers - the ones that have heard or read a million horror stories, and that just need a little help from a legit, warm, smart, and loving TS girl - in overcoming the mass of cultural stereotypes and misperceptions that most here in this culture, still seem to have about many of us.  

Once again, for all the gentleman that know, love, and appreciate us - for the very special, and entirely unique women that we most assuredly ARE, i must say - all the love, and the deepest of thanks forever.

Even the very smallest of genuine warmth, respects, and appreciations - to any of us - from the gentleman that know and love us - is more deeply appreciated than anyone could ever possibly know, in the face of the ingnorance and hatred we most often still face here.

The Very Best of New Years Wishes to all,
Safe Travels, always,

Hugz, (& lots more


TS Angela Marie