Am I turning into a cheap ass or are these rates getting out of control??

Cleveland
Houston
Vegas

I am now seeing hh (300) vip ( 500/600)

Maybe why I have stayed so low key lately

Is this the new norm?

Is anything over 200 normal? Why?

the vip thing is a ripoff, unless i know the gal from a previous encounter i dismiss the VIP gals automatically, it just means an upsell is coming, imho.

plenty of gals out there available and a fun time at 200-300

best of luck!

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Yikes!

I only ever charge that much if I have to do some serious traveling.  ; /

Dear Aiden 1357, the Math that will explain the approximate answer to your question appears in the middle roughly of the earlier comments, linked, hopefully, below.  Click and hope it opens...

These comments, conceptually, address this price point, based upon annual income  targets...it is what it is.  And will prevail until the economy rolls over in a major way, which is now beginning to become evident....The high levels of the Stock and Bond markets hide this shifting of gears at present, at least for the guys that have coin.....but it is starting now...soon, expect the Johns to start to negotiate prices, or perhaps, being depressed, they will just stay home and "Watch TV's!!!" (maybe on the internet???)  lol

Yea, right!!!!!!  That's funny!!!!! TS providers setting their hourly VIP rates basing their rates on the current price of stocks and bonds?  Maybe even analyzing their decisions and basing part of their rate increase or decreases on the CPI - Consumer Price Index??????

So let me get this right.

The price of stocks and bonds divided by the CPI, while factoring in the current interest rate and national unemployment average dictates how much I'm going to pay per hour to suck SHE-MALE cock?  

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa....

You Silly Goose!!!!!

What else you got up that sleeve besides a crusty elbow?

That's the silliest explanation I think I have ever heard.  Thanks for making my day Einstein!

Dear Mr. LA Famous Dog, Sir:

OK, we sure can enjoy a good joke.  Believe me, every day I look in the mirror and laugh like mad!  It takes a Moron to know one... But seriously, the concept for you to use, when determining price points in any business, is to think about the consumers (Johns) of the services offered first.  My observation is that the Johns in the Transsexual area, come from the Upper levels of income and net-worth.  Is this in line with your general observations???  If the top 20-25% of income curtail spending, because the economy and the Stock and Bond Markets roll over, then they will reduce spending as their "Confidence" Drops...Not because they are "Broke."

"Confidence" in the USA is still high today...Fly to New York City, (Or LA or Frisco) go into a bar in an expensive hotel, and talk (BS) with some fellow drinkers.... Most will tell you that they are not really worried yet. By example only, over at Jefferies and Morgan Stanley, this day, in NYC a bunch of "high rollers" have been brought down by the prospect of -0- Bonuses this year, due to problems in the bond market.  This is merely used as an indication of what is coming...You may laugh at the way this is being described......but it is designed to serve as an indication of a sea-change in attitudes, which are just beginning to shift.  

Here is what matters:  You are Confident, you have a net worth of 1 million, so you spend $___________ on your "hobby."  Great!  You lose Confidence (economically speaking) you get depressed, you now spend $________ x .60 on your "hobby."  If conditions get really bad (late 2016--17) then the new multiplier will be .40, or whatever.  All aspects of the hobby are connected...but your very impulse to laugh, makes this analysis all the more useful to possibly consider.

Perhaps you ought to also think about the Projected Income Level of $150,000 for a provider.  Bet you think this is do-able today, for the best grulz???  If the Collective Confidence in the economy of the collective Johns Drops by 30%, do you think prices demanded now will continued to be paid??  Who knows, but this is the concept behind this analysis.

Analysis, not for this week, or next month, but for the coming annual periods ahead.  Dare it be said, please print this out and put it in you top desk drawer.  Read it in one year, when the providers cry crocodile tears, as all them that were trowing coin around lose their propensity to "over-spend."  Projections?? yes...let's see how this all plays out..let's see if these expectations eventuate!

Regards to you, Mr. Dog, you are truly a master of the game!

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wow!

Great to hear from the "HeartLand," so to say.  (Heartless Land ???, let's avoid more analysis tonight...lol).

When the State of Illinois goes bankrupt, and the pensions stop for the retired civil servants, cops, judges, etc., then we shall indeed expect to get reports from ground (Hotel Room) level from the storied reviewers of "My Kind of Town."  This BK (State of Illinois) may become  the first real world indicator of the answer to the question:  "When Confidence Drops, do prices Paid also Drop??"

Impervious to spending patterns, the hobby's price advances of recent times seem to exist in a world of their own.  Some low level whining is heard now, but, how many even now easily can afford to pay $500 per hour??? Hey, why not $700 for hour one, and $1,000 for the two hour VIP?

When "Confidence" is high and advancing, prices rise, Johns don't care....If confidence soon begins a great unwind, well, let's just wait; we shall see what we shall see.  Remain confident for now, if you dare, spend coin and party on, the time to worry comes later.  How soon is the only question.  I say sooner than most think.

Is anybody listening???  lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is above $75,000 annual income, per household, where the users come from, to support the hobby.  click on the link.  I you think otherwise, provide evidence and examples, please.

I get all the best financial advice the the TS forums!

I understand it all, trust me.  From what I recall, it was a bit blurred and hazy but I do remember walking across a stage to get my college diploma several years back  It all makes sense.  I was pulling your leg more than anything.  I can understand how the economy may account for how much a client spends, but I seriously doubt providers are going into this much analysis setting their VIP rates.

Dear Mr. LA Dog, Sir
yesss. you do get it, for sure!  The "analysis of the coming change in Confidence" is about the future, not about right now.  The shift, when it arrives, will be originated when the Johns begin to lose confidence, then their propensity to "over spend" will decline.  The Johns have the options to (1) reduce frequency of visits to the same set of providers.  (2) Begin to do their own "Market Research" to find cheaper providers, rather than simply returning to their higher priced favs.  (3) Get demoralized as economic conditions get worse, and stop spending on the "hobby" to a great extent.  If you make a crappy salary of $150,000 working in NYC for a "bank" but you are really counting on receiving that annual Bonus of $900,000, and your bonus is -0- this year, (as will be the case this year at many Firms in NYC), and you still have that wifey, and 2 daughters in college, well, you may have to Stop all "Fun."  Even for the well off, Money Talks and bullshit walks!

When confidence drops and spending stops, only then will the business model of the top providers have to change.  THIS HAS NOT YET HAPPENED, and your assessments are correct, of course, at the moment.  All that is reported by me is that right now the Shift is starting...So we watch to see if this really happens...My argument is that it will, and it will eventually rock everyone.   Not every John is a retired Federal Judge with a pension of $180,000 per year and two million in treasury bonds in his TD Ameritrade account.  All are subject to the psychology, not yet broken, of what is called "Confidence."  If I were a provider, I would start to "Save Money" now to the max!  No new cars, no extra vacations, no new $20,000 Rolex watches for the safe deposit box...save!

Best regards to you, sir!  I salute you, for you are a true Master of the Game!  

-- Modified on 10/21/2015 1:57:06 PM

A link to the actual income distribution stats should appear below.

If you study JUST HOW MANY individuals are making BIG COIN right now, in the USA,  
and you were a Provider,
then you would only want to be VIP!  (Common Sense, if you can pull it off, that is...).
and
You would only try to do business in the locations where the High Income Johns work/visit/live.

The sheer number of potential Johns is high, indeed.  Looks like a broad and deep market, on the surface...However, even at the high levels of income, once Confidence begins to drop, then the propensity to spend will also drop...Maybe Mr. John made $1,200,000 last year...this year, his biz is failing, company stock dropped by 40%, and he is in litigation for something he failed to do....Then, "Hobbies" may not matter so much, survival matters first.  This is what is coming.

The link shows, (from SS Administration), how many, make big coin.  (A Hell of a lot more make less than 30k, sad to see this income inequality in USA). This is why prices have advanced....Study the numbers, and you will realize why prices seem to be high right now....There are today lots and lots of folk who are making rather significant coin...
It is what it is.  Until confidence fails....

"... until the economy rolls over in a major way, which is now beginning to become evident."

Really ...  why will this happen?

Dear sserviceman,
It is a bit late, and, before the mockers emerge, a few key points can be made.  Economics is a dismal science, for sure.  

Since the Lehman entity was put under, the world has not been the same.  The monetary authorities have bot bonds and tons of junk from the banks for years.  This has driven the prices of treasury bonds to record highs. (record low yields).  The monies have remained as excess reserves held by the banks with the fed, and yield 0.25%.  Bank managements will not lend these amounts into the system, BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT I AM TELLING YOU, they know they will not get paid back, as the cycle turns down.  

The record low rates have destroyed the middle class.  EG: You are 64, and you have 200k in the bank.  If rates were a realistic 7%, then you would earn, risk free, $14,000.  Instead, you are paid maybe 1/2 of 1 % or $1,000.  Add in social security, and you can see the difference!  This year, -0- social security increase. All these are hurting now.  They have lost spending power.  They are very depressed.

Really good jobs are very difficult to get, unless you have a degree in systems or computer science, programming, certain kinds of math, etc.  The younger generation has Student Loans they can not pay and can not Discharge in BK court, thanks to Clinton.  HooHa indeed!  The government will not vote for Fiscal (Spending via congress) measures to open jobs to the underemployed.  Half the population has negative net worth..Taxes at the State and Local level are zooming up, as the public employees bleed everyone dry.  

Both parties, (except the Donald) are bot and paid for. The TWO GREATEST FACTORS are the long term collapse in the Velocity of Money, this is causing Deflation, and the Concentration of Wealth in the hands of the top 10%.  The Why is  best comprehended as follows:  Why should there be any Federal Debt??? All it does is kill the goose.  If there were -0- federal debt, and you were a Billionaire, you could not park $800 million in treasury bonds and sit on you ass.  YOU WOULD HAVE TO BECOME A CAPITALIST.  YOU WOULD HAVE TO INVEST, to make more money.  You might have to open a business and hire people to work for you.  The top 10% could not give a rat's ass...they are safe in treasuries...they are NOT capitalists.

Finally, when the panics, now starting in Euroland and Japan/China really get rolling, the wealthy there will move even greater sums into the Dollar, which will go UP!!! This makes all dollar debt harder to service and pay off.  The rising dollar will destroy the us Economy...just watch, you will see.  

Hence, my advice, spend nothing extra, save Dollars (the are going up in relative value, so you will win!). The cycle down may last for 4 years, into 2020. Only a world war can stop it now...you do notice how the potential for fighting, with Big Forces now, (Russia and China getting involved)...Russia in Syria, China with the South China Sea naval struggle for ocean sovereignty, is being amped up?  Hmmmmm.

Of course, as more and more lose confidence, more money will be Saved, out of fear, and a desire to be "protected." This will accelerate a downward spiral.  These are just a few high points of the dynamics that are emerging.  Watch the next 6 months and you will see what I mean.  If you don't see this by Jan 2016, post back and call me a fool.  Stay tuned! Protect yourself, if you can...every penny will be needed soon enough!

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-- Modified on 10/22/2015 2:21:00 AM

Can I get the cliff notes version?

You see how your info was made a mockery of?  Most addicts have no interest in anything that's not finding them another hit! Your dealing with TS addicts. Reviews man,that's what they want. Everyday Everyday "we" are on here for Reviews! "Please your information went in one ear out the other".   That info has nothing to do in trannyland. Men will spend their last to feed that addiction.COCK! They actually believe the more they pay the better the service . Most of the time there's really very little difference . TS call it VIP because they've realized there's a lot of STUPID addict"s that will pay up for a delusion. Lol

Dear stillettos7:  Of course you and Mr. LA Doggie Dog (Sir!) are quite correct.  "Street" has provided this information "blast," which is mainly an attempt to identify a soon to be clear shift in "Confidence," which will lead, ("Street's" basis for argument), to an economic decline that will hit every business.  You will have to wait a bit longer to see the evidence, which, if it emerges, will make you think that "Street" might know a few things about the coming period.  

The Addictive Behaviour Model of the Johns is, of course, the basis of most elements of the "Hobby Sector," especially when reduced to its lowest common denominator level, XX dollars for YY time, fav menu selections, boom!

To stop a true Addict, the Addict has to run out of Coin completely, or, for some reason, has to become totally dis-functional... With pills and needles, many Addicts can keep on going, no matter what.  This is the reason why those who focus on "morality" are against "Hobbying" in all of its potential forms.  It is the John, the real Addict, who is being exploited.  They are compelled to repeat their Behaviors, and they have -0- internal power to stop.  Thus they want to repeat as many times as possible, frequently with many different providers, and they, of course, want the cheapest prices, greatest deals, the best hotels, all from Providers who have diametrically different goal sets, (If they are Smart).  

"Street" knows all this.  IT IS a Shift in Confidence that has arrived..Whether it is Hobby Spending by the John Addict, or a WASP worth $20,000,000 who starts to bitch the the tuition at Harvard or Yale is now "Too High," is what "Street" has attempted to (perhaps with too many words and examples) identify here.

Interesting that the Providers have not responded to these observations....They will know first, if "Street" will be correct...The Addict Johns will persist in every effort to satisfy their compulsions.  Reduced to either "Facts" or "Values" nothing will ever change, but if the whole Keno Table Shifts, and tilts like crazy, all will recognize the change in Confidence....Let's give this until January 2016 to become clear, or not.  The change will never start with the true Addicts, but with the rational "over spender high rollers" who will lose confidence, and they will pull back.  No true addict can quit.

Regards to you, stillettos7!  Up close, a knife is better than a gun!  No pop from the sound of a severed wind-pipe sucking air!  lol of course....it is what it is...."The Confidence Keno Table will tilt" ... is the Cliff Notes version.  there!

Save some money and let a sexy crossdresser brown your meat. Many of the gals charging steep prices now started out as young part-timers.

Hello to Intimate Warrior and others who may follow confidence...

Looks like Gallup's latest US Economic Confidence Index Numbers continue to DECLINE, so, one might suppose that Intimate Warrior's "Try some CDs suggestion," to save $$$$$$$$$$ and to "buck further" might be on point!

I anybody is feeling a bit low, the index, which is charted near the top of the linked article, peaked in Jan 2015!  "Street" posts this so you all can learn to follow Confidence...It will matter, is is not a positive here, but realize THE BIG DECLINE IS JUST STARTING.  The drop is now a trend in motion.

Bottom line, If providing, only deal with the Top 1%, for confidence there is not yet shaken.

If you are a buyer of Providers' Services, start to negotiate, for, after all, as Demand Drops with declining Confidence,  softness will creep into the market starting here.  (like "a bad date" ???) lol!  

ps would be nice to hear from any Providers, who might speak to the question:  "Any signs of Demand Dropping??"  yeah...their lips are sealed...