I am going to hypothetically give you the choice of two different t-girls to go on a date with.  Tell me which one you would choose and why.

T-Girl #1 is a 5' 7" 130 lb pre-op TS who lives 24/7 as a woman. She is very pretty, has a great body, has C to D cup implants and wears sexy lingerie. She admittedly has been taking hormones for years and can attain an erection, but not rock hard and not for more than a minute or so and she can't cum. She has a great personality, is very feminine and passable. Her session fee is $200

T-Girl #2 is a 5' 7" 130 lb transvestite (cross dresser) who lives as a passable woman in the evening and a man in the day time. Is flat chested but wears a passable silicone stuffed bra and wears sexy lingerie.  She has a great personality, is very feminine and passable. Her session fee is $100.

Which girl would you prefer to meet for a date and why?  Which girl would you more likely be a regular of and why?

I assume you meant that the CD was functional,,that being the case I would chose her first,,the $$ is not a big deal, but my prefference would be functionality,,its more fun,,but to be totally honest,,I would have one during the day ()TS, and the CD at night,,

Trane

Yes TD, I forgot to add, the CD is hard as a rock function from start to finish and cums too.

I see you are a dog as I am and want a steady supply of hot t-girls!!

Yep, thats me,, LOL

gotta be functional for me too....that's number one but must be very passable too...I'd keep searching for those to things in combination.

As far as #1 goes I might be induced into seeing her if her reviews are stellar and her voice and personality was great on the phone.  But I prefer, in general to be a bottom but I do about half the time like to be versatile.  So if she was grat I might just take the plunge and be a total top.

For Gal #2 I would most like ly pass because when the clothes come off I want to see before me a completely feminine creature.  The idea of a T-gurl being flat chested is quite the turn off for me.  On a GG I am OK with it because I do not need any assistance with the fantasy that it is inded a woman in front of me.  Ona T-gurl, the combination of flat chestedness and a cock take away from the feminin allure in too great a way.  I would pass.

me too.....amazing alie

I'd prefer Door #1. Yes, functional is great, but if I had to choose, I prefer the more feminine approach. A flat-chested cross-dresser just doesn't do it for me the way a good-looking busty T-girl does.

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I have a strap on and it is really kinky when I wear it

Nikki, we like kinky!  Maybe you will tell us how you like to use it.

See the link. I still prefer hot ts girls who are fem and functional and super classy like TS Angelica in LA or others that are that hot but this CD is not bad.  What ya think?

If the lights are low,,and you can't really see, but you have something hard to hold onto????
What ever floats your boat!

OH now that would spoil the secret now would it not...
hehehehe

She looks pretty hot to me.  Skinny and pretty, that's what I like. I would prefer her cock to be cut as opposed to uncut because saying it like it is, uncut cocks on a t-girl make me feel like they were born in some third world country, surviving on dirt pancakes and impure water.  In good ole US of A, cocks look "normal"  No extra covering hiding cheese formation! ha ha ha eeewwwwwwww.  I would much rather hook up with this CD who posesses a hard cock that cums than hook up with ANY gorgeous hormone induced TS with "cock problems" such as non rock hard hard-on, inability to cum and other by products that trannies who juice up have.

Below is a link of a local t-girl who I saw over a year ago. TV Daniela.  Of the 78 t-girls currently posting on Miami eros, there are only 1 or 2 who list themselves as a TV as opposed to a TS.  This girl must have loved me, because we had a date for 100 roses and I was at her place for a good two and a half hours.  I got her to open up and reveal her "life story".  For one,she had this real paranoid characteristic about her, which I do not typically observe in other t-girls.  It was leading Dr John "Sigmund" Holmes to believe this girl either had unresolved mental issues or was experiencing the after effects of psycho-somatic rock or powder ingestion.

In either event, she opened up to me revealing that for many years she lived 24/7 as a pre-op transsexual woman. (she does have very womanly features of small pretty feet and natural womanly curves.  No doubt about it, she has a lovely body.  Now that I am more experienced, IMO, she had or has cock problems.  I recall she had a difficult time staying fully erect for a long period of time, but when she was able to play with my ass as she HJ herself, my eyes would pop open via touching and seeing the super hard cock she had.  This would only last for about 30 seconds though.  Oh geez, another cock problem tranny

Here is the unique peculurarity about her.  She went from many years of living 24/7 as a Transsexual woman with breast implants, to later having the implants removed and going back to living as a CD. She'd then live as a man in the day time and get dressed up for her escort dates in the late evening.  She is also one of the uncommon t-girls who tops both men and women.  Too bad she didn't exhibit a hard cock from start to finish on my date with her, because I know of quite a few hot babe GG's who are seeking to be topped via a hot babe t-girl.

JH1
see link below

...is that you're pretending that a guy in a bra is anything but a guy in a bra.

No tits, skin that feels like man skin, looks like man skin, smells like a man, has a mans hips and butt (though admittedly a lot of TS's do...especially the ones that don't take hormones or started late) makes almost  no commitment to actually simulating a woman besides dressing up from time to time, probably still has a beard even if they do shave (5 o clock shadow, anyone?).

A TS?  Soft smooth skin, a natural feminine scent, dedicates a tremendous portion of her life to as closely becoming a woman as possible and thus actually might put effort into important little things like her voice and her mannerisms.

I mean really  you word it as though a crossdresser is going to be anywhere near as feminine as a well transitioned TS but ultimately the crux of it is that closer you get to him, andthe more clothes that a crossdresser takes off the flimsier the illusion becomes.

You get a good TS and she looks and feels even more like a woman naked then she does with her clothes on despite having a cock.


Let's not pretend that dedicating a tremendous portion of your life to transition including hours of voice practice to make your image seemless, radical facial and body surgery to become as much of a woman as you can...and even the much maligned hormone therapy (which i can assure you serves way more purpose then to just make someone have erectile dysfunction) is going to be anywhere near matched by an hour or so of makeup, a cheap wig, and some lingerie.


So really one has to ask themselves if they want a chick with a dick, or a guy with a bra. The idea of a really passable crossdresser that's going to be near as feminine in person as in HIS pictures, let alone as feminine near naked as he is in all his crossdressing glory, let alone as feminine as a well transitioned transsexual, is a fantasy of the Fairy Tale type, not of the sexy real life type.


Your hot date with Wilma Dafoe wont be nearly as hot when her wig falls off



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JH1 has a good question.  But doesn't it come down to if you are with a TV who doesn't take hormones or  have implants, etc. and who lives as a man, and thinks like a man (because hormones affect the brain as well as the body) and who's ID says he's a man, and looks like a man when naked, then aren't you just having sex with a man in drag?

And if you are going to have sex with a man, then why bother with the dress, there's lots of sexy young dudes out there.

And does that in turn make you gay?

And if you have sex with a GG with a strap on - then what's the difference between that and having sex with a TS with a strap on?

Giggle,
TS Jamie

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The problem is that the Johns (take that how you may) of the world have little to no respect for the physical and mental process of becoming an actual woman.

"Woman" isn't something that you put on and take off like cheap lingerie. You grow into it physically, emotionally, and mentally.

Taking into consideration every thing you wrote in this post, I STILL have come to the conclusion via my perceptions and MOST men that I know who are t-girl hobbyists, if given the choice of the hormone juiced up t-girl who as you say, has skin that feels like a genertic girls etc etc etc or a t-girl who's just skinny and pretty, say 5' 7" 125 lbs but devotes a lot of attention to hair, make up and lingerie.  MOST men would prefer the passable CD who has a 100% functional cock from start to finish and shoots a cum load, than ANY variation of t-girl who altered her cocks functionality.  The bottom line is, if a t-girl intends to be a TOP ESCORT and I mean top escort not that she charges $500 an hour for her time, but top in the perfection that men seek in t-girls, she MUST NOT do any thing that hinders her cocks functionality.  If hormones reduce her functionality even 25%, leaving her 75% of what she used to be, DO NOT DO IT!  A t-girl escort can not "have her cake and eat it to".  I have never yet met even ONE t-girl who's on hormones who did not have cock problems.  I would never repeat and no matter how femininely nice and sweet she is, I ALWAYS share with my fellow hobbyists that she has cock problems.  If a t-girl is not going to be an escort and has no intention of hooking up with men who are t-girl hobbyists, then by all means, it is your body, do what you want with it.

The t-girl dancers I have met who it is common knowlege that they take hormones, many of them are freaky strange. Many do not even act like a natural genetic woman.  They act like they are on some form of mind altering pschedelic drug.  Like an enfeminent faggy twink boy, many are just bizarre.  But hey, it's the t-girls life, she can do with it what ever she desires.  However, tranny hobbyists need to call a spade a spade and report the truth in what they see and experience in a t-girl hook up.

One such t-girl friend that I knew when she was a dancer and now she is working as a high priced body rub girl.  She is very passable.  Quite strangely feminine, but she has the traditional cock problems that come with t-girls who juice themselves up.  She thought she was a contender for the most beautiful t-girl in south Florida and was extremely pissed off at me when I wrote a review of my hook up with her in a matter of fact manner. I stated that she's cute and passable and offers a fluffy body rub, that for half the price a guy can go and get a professional Shiatsu massage at an Asian massage parlor.  I stated she is a sweet girl and offers a nice time but her cock could not stay hard for more than 20 seconds and through great effort on her part.  I recommended in the review to my fellow tranny appreciating friends that they choose another t-girl because there are much better values and harder cocks out there for the money. She was soooo pissed at me! Here she was thinking she is the cream of the crop and Miss Tranny America and I was saying she's not worth her fee and 50% of all her t-girl competition offers better value than seeing her.  She says to me "I thought you were my friend"  I say "yes i am, but that does not mean I am going to lie in a review"  She has lots to improve on.  #1 Stop taking hormones!  That would bring her to a cock level that she is worth her session fee. I stated in the review of her, IF she had a hard cock from start to finish, she'd be worth her session fee and I'd highly recommend her.

Bottom line. MOST tranny chasers would prefer a hard cocked slender and passable cross dresser than a 100% transitioned feminine breast implanted hormones juiced limp dick t-girl.

If not for a hard cock on a chick with a dick, MOST tranny chasers prefer to see a less expensive genetic girl.

JH1

Jamie Honey - You  are comparing apples and oranges.  No man that I know wants to hook up with either a CD or TS that is unpassable.  All men who are TS fetish hobbyists are into the t-girl because of her transition from a man to a woman.  Only 5% to 10% of men who are into t-girls are also into men.  Those are the bi-sexual TS fetishists.  IMO,there is no such thing as a gay man who has sex with t-girls.

A passable CD, aka transvestite, who sensually feels like a woman and has similar height and weight as a slender woman, does not feel like a man when in drag.  I know of a CD who's been fucked in the ass via over 500 men in the past 3 years and she still feels like she's never had gay sex in her life.  Why? Because when she is dressed as a woman, she feels like she is a woman and has never had sex with a man when she is dressed as a man.

If you and every TS escort stopped presenting yourself to your Johns as the woman that you currently are, you would immediately lose 90% to 95% of your business. Tranny chasing men ONLY want a CD or TS because she presents herself as a woman.  90% to 95% of tranny chasers have zero interest in hooking up with men sexually or romantically.

You say: "And if you have sex with a GG with a strap on - then what's the difference between that and having sex with a TS with a strap on?"

I say a GG with a strap on is sorta a cousin to a TS hook up, however, I call it a fake hook up and the get together with the real tranny is a real hook up.  The difference is the tranny has the ability of feelings in her cock and the ability to shoot a cum shot.  The GG has neither.

IMO, why see a TS with a strap on if you can see a GG with a strap on?  IMO, 9 times out of 10 GG's look better than TS's as far as passability, curves, waist, voice etc etc.  The only logical reason TS hobbyists see TS's is for her hard cock on a womanly body.

You are correct, John's typically have a superficial or curiosity interest in all the emotional things a TS went through in her transition.  The TS fetishist is typically pre-occupied with her physical beauty in relation to how her cock grows into a beautifully erect specimen on her near perfect body.  The man who marries you may care completely about your entire life and entire transition.  The John who hooks up with you cares about your looks, body, personality and cock for the hour or so that he is in your company.

IMO, the CD who feels like a woman and the 24/7 passable pre-op TS are the same thing.  They are just at varying degrees of transition and passability.

There are a minority of CD's and TS's who are not in tune with their womanly sensuality and still come across as manly no matter what they do in their transition.

This whole fetish fantasy originated out of an aberation of God's natural order.  A TS was born with a birth defect and a hobbyist created a hobby of appreciating her.  Problem is, we are dealing with real human beings here and when the TS completes her transition and becomes post op, most of her Johns are no longer interested in her.  This is a hobby and a game.  The game revolves around fantasy, hard cocks, imagination are a bizarre interpretation of reality.

You say: "Woman" isn't something that you put on and take off like cheap lingerie. You grow into it physically, emotionally, and mentally."

I say, the same concept applies when a woman transitions from being a civilian to a prostitute.  She grows into it psyically, emotionally and mentally.  The good TS ones respect their John's via presenting him with a perfectly functioning hard cock that cums.

" The good TS ones respect their John's via presenting him with a perfectly functioning hard cock that cums. "

A good John will respect that being transsexual isn't something we wish for and that there is more to our lives then simply being your perfect whore. Our passability is paramount to our social standing, mental and emotional wellbeing, as well as our physical safety, we're a fetish, fine. But let's not pretend like being a better fetish takes precedent over the 20 hours a day we're not working.

The two crosdressers posted in this thread so far look like nothing but skinny men in drag to me and they wont get better looking when you get closer. Your standards of "passability" are clearly far far below mine. You don't even have to scrutinize them to see that they're men despite a half inch of makeup in one case and fuzzy pics with the contrast turned way up in the other.

EDIT: In my first paragraph I intended to but neglected to point out that hormone therapy is in many ways intrinsic to achieving true passability. In my mind it's a granted that hormones dramatically increase your passability and are a necessary part of transition so I didn't spell out the tie between the two.

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She's cute but in her case she's much to skinny.
As for the question at hand or mouth as it were.
I'd go for the CD and just have her keep her lingerie on. I prefer this even for GG's anyway.

JH1,
 I agree with you on this 100%.
However, you won't win this argument due to the fact that you're speaking in broad (no pun intended )terms and several here are taking it personally.
Good Luck

A woman can never be too thin and a man can never be too rich!

I like thin women.  The meat is sweeter closer to the bone

Those big ones who got junk in da trunk, might be better for the pushin, but you have to be careful if you smack their ass and the wave comes back to hit you!! ha ha ha

I am with you.  Nothing like a woman in lace top black sheer thigh highs and high heels.  Lingerie and make up accentuate the beauty in a woman.  Amen and amen!

HJH

If you spend any time with Vivianne, you will find the question of TV vs. TS is moot.

Vivianne is a beautiful TV from northern California. When you see her, you see a woman. You forget the designation CD or TV or TS. It seems arbitrary and irrelevant.

Viv is sweet, smart, delightful to be with, and so GFE, you'll want to propose to her. No implants, of course, and she wears a bustier or bra that doesn't come off -- that's her policy, and it's fine because it might ruin the fantasy for some of us otherwise. The rest is pure t-girl-loving heaven. Intense kissing, cuddling, topping and bottoming, laughter. A beautiful, erect cock that stood at attention the whole time -- the advantage of no hormones. After we were done, we rested in each others' arms...by then, much of her make-up and lipstick had worn off, and I could see a little hint that Viv was a TV, not a TS -- but no matter, because I was so in love with her by then, she would always be a beautiful woman to me. My best t-girl experience ever.

Now for the best part: she's visiting Chicago, staying somewhere near O"Hare between April 1 -4. Here's her link on eros-chicago: http://tinyurl.com/yqnh6m

You shouldn't miss her. Otherwise you might be pondering JohnHolmes1's question forever.

"If you spend any time with Vivianne, you will find the question of TV vs. TS is moot."

Amen and Amen!

Check out Transvestite Valeria.  Link is below.

Hot looking, feminine, great body, lovely face and you know her pussy pole in unadulterated, pure and non hormone killed.  She is a woman who is saturated in sensuality and every feminine part of her cries out to be consumed via a man.  Lovely and sweet and all transvestite!  It's the illusion we want, with a hard cock that shoots cum attached to a lovely transvestites body.

Hyperbolic John Holmes

Re: And then there's Transvestite Jennifer

Here ya go.....  see link below
Skinny and pretty, 5' 8".  dripping in womanly attractiveness.  A transvestite.  her slender arms and legs are just dying to be consumed, plowed and man handled.  Her hair, make up, lingerie and clothing scream out "I am a woman in drag, fuck me"!

She's a transvestite and she's a proud one at that!

HJH

Skinny, pretty, HOT!

see link below.

What TS hobbyist wouldn't get his rocks off with this young, cute and pretty transvestite?

Functional and versatile..... great words to hear!

Amen and amen!

Hyperbolic John Holmes

basically, it is not the price... it is first the functionality... if I want someone without a workable dick I may as well see a genetic.  I think that TVs often try harder, whereas many more advanced TS's have such high opinions of themselves and their worth (purely from a session standpoint) that they disappoint many clients.  I'd prefer sensitive little nipples to rock hard orbs... but, hey, some guys prefer fat girls...

she treated me well, is beautiful, and reciprocated in every way... can't wait to go west again...