If you have sex with a TS, you are having sex with a man, hence it is gay sex.  Tranny chasers who vehemently deny the gayness of the act are like a gay man who is only attracted to skinny teen boys claiming he isn't gay because he is only attracted to a very particular type of man.  

In my experience I find that some self identifying gay men gladly have sex with Tgirls.  I've had a three way with a gay man and tranny together and the tranny and the gay man went at eachother with gusto.  A tranny friend of mine often goes to gay clubs when on the prowl for cock.

Sex with a feminine TS is very different than sex with a man. TS sex may be "gay sex" in the strictest (genetic) sense, but it is not the same experience.  Call me bisexual; I'm not offended.  But the fact is that guys don't get me hot, but T-girls do.  At least some T-girls, mainly the ones who are genuinely feminine and who get the "GFE" concept (as opposed to the one-pop, shakedown artists).  

Your point about your tranny friend is interesting.  If there are any T-girls out there reading, what kind of cock do you prefer?  The guy who "knows" he's gay, or the guy who doesnt think he is but goes a little crazy when he meets a beautiful girl who gets thick and hard?  Or both?

i think if you want sex with skinny teen boys your not gay, your a pedophile!!

I think thinking about or catagorizing everything is a mindless obsesion. do you wake up on the morning and think" Iyam gay" do you observe people and make guesses as to their sexual nature? if so then you may needd a mind cleaning ,the fact many mono sexual males find transexials not to their liking but prefer staright men with uncertain sexuality to bring over to the side is like what she the ts said. i have seen transexual development in kids as yung as 2 1/2 . and since it is there better to let it ride than mess up with nueroti8c issues such as is it propperly gay  or is it memorex.I like the doctor who told the ggenetic boy who got pp cut off when infant, to just put a sock in his pants. doctors many or too many of them are not the greatest empaths. so chilly beanie chilly weanie out.lol

It Is What It Is.. If she walks like a girl, if she talks like a girl, if she looks like a girl, if she smells like a girl, if she loves like a girl, then she's a ????? What's that something extra? A toy to enjoy! Anyway, what does it matter?

Methusla is right. It really doesn't matter.  I don't want a guy, but a great ts drives me crazy.  But let's face it: a straight guy aint goin to be doing what we ts lovers do. Its as simple as that.

I recently saw the most georgus TV boy/girl - no breasts, hormones, enhancement of anykind. She can pass as a girl any day. I would not have been interested  if she did was not CDing. but it was one of the best experiences I have had with anyone. Call me what you wish. I would do it in heartbeat.

but in order to perhaps enlighten you a bit, in the strictest sense liking transsexuals is not gay in fact the opposite.

The definition of gay is guys who like guys, guys who like manliness, guys who are generally fem acting and enjoy fem things.

I like women and I like trans women. Yeah they are biologically male I aint in denial but point being if I liked "men" hairy men I'd save moeny and go have sex at rest stops and the back of porno shops.

I'm not saying I'm "straight" but "gay" is definitely not the appropriate term.

And you have no idea about t-o gays clubs for dick. Doesnt happen. Gay men dont want trannies they want men.

Oh occasionally a gay guy with boy friends will dress up but not to get cock. Thats bullshit.

In fact nowadays most trannies... at least young black ones... are going to straight "thug" bars to get dick.

But its a free country and you're free to label as you like.

They prefer the male to be gay, or at least mostly gay.

Cuts down the feminine competition and makes them feel more secure.

standards.  Pedophilia is having sexual desire for pre-pubescent children.

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Actually the definition of gay in a sexual sense is "Having a sexual orientation toward members of the same sex."  Seeing as TS's carry XY chromosomes, they are of the same sex.  Your definition is nothing but a smattering of stereotypes conveniently manufactured by you to form an argument.  You will not find a dictionary that contains your definition.  I looked and I couldn't find it.  If you can, feel free to link it.

Perhaps you do not like "hairy men", but not all men that have gay sex are hairy.  The shaven look is popular and present in gay culture gay culture.  It's a version of types and they are not your type.  Much like every hairy man is a turn off to you, I'm certain a hairy woman would be also.  It does not follow that because you are not attracted to a hairy woman that you are not attracted to any woman.  

I never stated in my post that you were gay, I stated you commited a gay act.  If you have sex with genetic girls and tgirls you are bisexual.

To say I have no idea about gay clubs is completely false.  I frequent gay clubs as often as straight clubs and most of my acquaintances and friends are gay.  Perhaps your experience with black TS's is they like to go to thug bars trying to score, but that is specific to the TS's you know and not the ones I know.  My gay-tranny three way was with a black TS.  We went to Avalon in Boston on Sunday (gay night), Rise for an after hours party (gay), then to a gay guys house for another party where the majority of guests were gay, and had our three way there.  I originally met her at a gay guy's house party the night before and she had another Jamaican TS with her.  To see TS's in a gay bar one only need open his eyes.  

All language is labeling.  All words are clustering individual experiences and phenomenom into convenient similar groups and giving it a name.  To be not guilty of labeling one would need to be a languageless animal or vegetable.

"I think thinking about or catagorizing everything is a mindless obsesion."

Do you see the inherent contradiction in your statement?  You are claiming that something that requires thought is mindless.  Thinking is the least mindless activity possible as it is an activity that requires strong use of the mind.  I do not wake up in the morning and think, "I am gay."  I usually wake in the morning and think about prioritizing certain necessary activities and creating mental check lists of what needs to be done to advance my business.  I often make guesses as to a person's sexual nature if I want sex from them.  I'm not sure what you mean by 'mind cleaning'.  My suspicion is it is some form of mental censorship or mental manipulation to get me to conform with your ideas or at least a close approximation that allows you to feel comfortable.  How are you determining this 2 1/2 year old displays transsexual development?  Is he asking you for breast implants or hormonal therapy?  A 2 1/2 year old will have no concept of sex or any abstract concept.  They generally don't even have a concept of language or reality.  Kids at that age are often fascinated by the game of 'peekabooh' because they do not understand how your face can dissapear and then reappear as they have no sense of object permanency.  In their mind if something cannot be seen, it no longer exists.  

What a doctor's lack of empathy does to affect our discussion?  I have heard the story about the sock in place of a penis though before.  I wonder if it is an urban myth as a doctor is supposed to maintain patient confidentiality.  Maybe the kid publicly told his story.

That Ts's have XY Chromosomes cannot be aruged.  That Ts's emit feminine phermones cannot be argued either (hormone thearpy may even cause Ts's to emit feminine phermones in greater amount and with stronger potency to attract straight males).

Our sense of smell is often downplayed in matters of attraction and sexuality.  Ts's emit feminine phermones in spades.

Here's a more complete response:

I still think that TS sex is a "third way," even though I dont dispute Horizon's point that, genetically at least, it is gay sex.  My own experience is consistent with that.  
I don't deny that I am somewhat bisexual, but I just dont get wood thinking about guys, and the idea of being topped or topping a guy has no appeal for me.  But show me a good-looking T-girl and all bets are off.  Why is that?  Maybe it has something to do with the fact that a TS has intentionally done something to her/himself to make themselves more sexual.  (For the same reason, I'm sometimes attracted to women with breast implants, not because I find implants attractive, but because some women who are a little nympho like having large tits because its part of their sex-bomb image).

Or maybe it's just the idea of a hot woman with beautiful tits and a hard cock that turns me on.  (LOL).  

Nonsense.  Trannies turn me on, guys don't and never will.  Hairy ass, hairy chest, hairy balls.  Not the same dude.  Not even close!

I took it a bit more negatively initially but you are correct its all labeling, all I know is  what I like and who I am.

The one thing I'll continue to dispute with you is TSs and gay bars thing. The BTG thug thing is a new phenom but I've been chasing these tgirls for over 30 years and they are not looking to fuck gay boys when they hang a gay bars.

For many years there were 3 gay bars here in STL where BTG would go and that I frequented. My only competition for tgirls where these 2 brothers or an occasional white guy who would show up.

They go to gay bars for friendship, to perform and because for a long time it was the only place they could comfortably hang.

How about the penis?  Does that look and feel like a man's?

Why can't it really be just that simple