Absolutely!!! This site is exactly for that purpose. Both sides can express their likes and dislikes and find some common ground for mutual enjoyment. Reviews are invaluable in that respect. BTW the more I read Rachel's postings the more I fall in love in her.....
OK, so the stock market has taken a big bite out of my $$ entertainment, and I have become more selective, but why? Why? do providers seem to try harder to make a simple encounter into a miserable experience,, I know it's depressing, but hey, orgasmic quivers are supposed to lighten your mental mood and make you happy,, I appreciate that times are tough, but Why? take it out on us admirers? I will not just give up $$$ to be treated like "I" owe you a life, give me a quality time, I give you real quality $$$.
Peace Out!
Let me give you an insider's view of our world. 95+% of "providers" do it because they have no other options. Most are either illegal's or not well educated, and/or were brought up in some miserable home environment, or some such scenario.
SO - now they are escort's. They put up ad's and the phone starts to ring. 98% of phone calls are either whacko's who get off on fucking around on the phone, or making appointments and never showing up, or - if they do show up, try to cut the price after they get here and get 5 times what they negotiated for, etc., etc.
Oh, here is a good example. I have some SOB who calls me at least 6 to 15 times EVERY day, just to get his rocks off on the phone ( I stopped answering that # ). This has gone on for 8 months! And you wonder why we are a bit edgy on the phone?
Had many guys call, make an appointment, call back at the agreed upon time to get directions, and then never showed. You do not think that makes us a bit edgy? I spend a half hour showering and preparing to give you a good time and 50% of scheduled appointments never show. WASTING my time! You guys do not seem to get that part of it. We are supposed to be at your beck and call 24/7.
Don't you think that would make us extremely jaded? Do you really think that we sit around all day all made up, with a hand on the phone, just waiting for you to call to come by at a moment's notice?
So, most escorts become very hardened. It is very difficult to be "on" all the time. We never know what we will encounter when we open the door. Some 300 pound, overweight guy who hasn't bathed in 4 days expecting to get GFE and stick his disgusting tongue down our throat's, and then, when we will not do it, gets on here at TER and gives us a rotten review, and you guys believe that he got a raw deal.
This is a sub-culture business with YMMV, and I just wish you guys would be more understanding. Respect is a 2 way street!
And this overkill about "fake" and Photoshopped photos. You really think that all the ads in Vogue for fashion, the models really look like that in real life? EVERY fashion ad and makeup ad in any magazine has been retouched - big time. So - we like to look good too. I realize that some of the girls do put up fake shots or overdo the retouch, but I am amazed lately that here at TER you spend all of your time ripping almost every escort's photos.
You all act like we owe you something. And also - every time one of us criticizes you guys you give us a total ration of shit, but you can rip us a new asshole all day every day. Frankly, I am very tired of it.
Oh, my final comment. You guys have NO IDEA what our lives are like, and yet you act like you know all about us. Walk a mile in our shoes and then you will be entitled to comment.
Oh! That asshole just called again right now as I am writing this - 3 times in a row - what did I tell you? That makes 7 calls from him today so far.
In spite of all that, I personally like what I do. Making someone forget their cares and stress and giving them a pleasant experience makes me feel good. That is why I do this. It is just not easy to please everybody every time.
So, there is my 2 cent's. Have a wonderful time now ripping me up.
Susanna Moreno
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""Some 300 pound, overweight guy who hasn't bathed in 4 days expecting to get GFE and stick his disgusting tongue down our throat's, and then, when we will not do it, gets on here at TER and gives us a rotten review, and you guys believe that he got a raw deal.""
Fat guys always smell right?
Guess what, male models don't need to pay for it, they can pick you up in a bar, or the store, or where ever. Some of you would have to pay them.
Now, all that doesn't mean I think it's cool that guys mess with your time and crank call you. However you just shoot yourself in the foot, by taking it out on the ones who do show up, pay you and try and treat you like you want to be treated.
I know that many of the girls I see, wouldn't give me the time of day, if I weren't paying them, and if they still treat me well, I always write a good review, if they take their life's frustrations and disappointments on me, then I will write a bad review. Why wouldn't I? …AND I always bathe. I'm not picking up a $20 Street walker and taking my chances. I think I'm visiting a professional escort, who I'm paying 200+ for the pleasure of her company.
It’s one thing for a girl to try this, and it just doesn’t work out, but it’s another, when she stays in a business that she hates and isn’t any good at it.
I’m sorry you don’t like the situation you feel trapped in, and I hope the A-hole gets a life and stops calling you.
I apologize for the rhetorical image of an overweight gentleman. I should not have used that characterization.
And I am not trapped in my situation. As I said, I like what I do. I just do not like the fact that for most of you guys here on TER you feel that you have the right to rip us up as you please, but we do not have the right to comment in return.
Also, I do not "take it out on the ones that do show up" - ever. As I said, I personally treat everyone as I like to be treated. I was trying to get the point across that the general treatment of escorts, combined with most of the girl's backgrounds, combined with the shit treatment that most prospective clients dish out, lends itself to the attitudes that you oft times encounter.
I am not exaggerating about 95+% of all phone calls being bullshit. This is a sales business, and any of you who are in sales ( cold calls ) know that you only score on at best 3-5% of cold calls. But in most sales, those cold calls are not nasty or whackos.
Susanna
If saw the crap GG girls have to go through on the local boards, you'd think TER was an alter of worship to you ladies!
As for the negative stuff that does get said here, we should be all for it. It is the whole point of this board. If the clients are spending money on the rip-offs, or the ones who just aren't any good at it, it allows us to see the providers who ARE good at this, and not rip-offs.
We call it TOFTT or taking one for the team, when we go see an un-reviewed provider, because there is always a huge risk of being ripped-off.
I would say there is no reason to be rude about in a review, but sometimes the provider is so bad, rudeness really drives home the point of how bad the experience was. When a guy does that and you can see that he has many reviews with 7,8 or 9, and 10's it means that he was happy with most, so when he does a 2 it really means that provider probably did suck that bad.
I think many girls are uncomfortable with being judged like that, and really take it personally, but we aren't judging the person, just the service or performance. If someone is a bad waiter, it doesn't mean they are a bad person. Keanu Reeves seems like a really nice guy, but isn't the greatest actor in the world.
I have been with providers who weren't very good, but seemed like nice people. By that same token, I have had providers, who after upselling me, rushing me, and not delieverng any real service at all, will stop at the end and say "Wow, you're actually a nice guy." and we'll have a moment where they know they kinda ripped me off, they know I know it, and we both know that the nice guy who could've been a regular, is never going to call them again.
Hi Susanna,
I read your note and totally understand your point of view. If I had anything to say, and let me preface it by saying, I am not ripping on anyone here. I have never met you but in general terms, if a provider meets a nice person who is real, clean, well taken care of, and wants to see a provider to have fun, then don't be so edgy Seriously. Everyone encounters assholes in their careers. I deal with the public every day and I have to put up with the rudest of rude but I go on and make it work. So, no rambling. All I am saying is if someone is genuine, be genuine back and enjoy eachother.
To comment on the airbrushed or fake pics. Yes, every magazine is touched up, totally agree. But, there are girls out there posting fake pics and that is just not right. A little airbrushing goes a long way and I'm all for it. But fake pics? Its not right, no matter how you slice the pie.
Thats it for me, off to bed. I get to meet with a very large company at 8am tomorrow and let it be known that the contact I am meeting with is a very rude person, but I have to put up with it to put food on my table or find another job.
Take care,
LATSDog
Susanna,
Let me not tear you up… but comment on some of your statements…
“Let me give you an insider's view of our world. 95+% of "providers" do it because they have no other options. Most are either illegal's or not well educated, and/or were brought up in some miserable home environment, or some such scenario.”
In the “TS/Shemale” provider world.. your “95+” percentage that they are doing it as they have no other choice is very misleading if not totally inaccurate. I have been around many years dealing with not only the TS providers, but even those TS women who are not “providers”. Yes there are many who get into the escorting due to the high cost of transition, the lack of understanding of their needs, and the societal views or idealogies, and the homophobia connected with the idea of the Transgendered life. However, not all are uneducated or have no other options. And even though there are a lot of “TS” providers from foreign countries, they come here to the U.S. or even the UK for the simple fact that they can make more money than they can in their country. Yes, there are many that have a terrible home life or such.. but there are many who just CHOOSE this lifestyle. Because they enjoy the money and the intimacy. And some enjoy the sex or the variety of people that they meet. Some even enjoy the travel they can enjoy by making the money that they do.
”SO - now they are escort's. They put up ad's and the phone starts to ring. 98% of phone calls are either whacko's who get off on fucking around on the phone, or making appointments and never showing up, or - if they do show up, try to cut the price after they get here and get 5 times what they negotiated for, etc., etc. “
You have that in almost every type of public related job/business. No show for appointments, lookie loos who just want to check it out, shoppers who just look and “kick the tires”, and those who never buy, they just like to “shop around”. There are people who let every type of door - to - door salesman into their homes simply because they are bored. There are women who go to the mall every week just to have the girl at the make-up counter do their make-up, and never buy anything. (yes, I know MAC and others only do this if you buy a certain amount or it costs for the “make over”.) But it wasn’t always like that.. but they changed it due to the every week no buy people.
“Oh, here is a good example. I have some SOB who calls me at least 6 to 15 times EVERY day, just to get his rocks off on the phone ( I stopped answering that # ). This has gone on for 8 months! And you wonder why we are a bit edgy on the phone? “
I am sorry you have to deal with that guy.. if you are using a cell phone, you can set it to deny that number, and you will never hear it ring, or it will just give you a beep, so that you know it was a “denied call”… it is still a bummer, but you don’t have to deal with it then.
”Had many guys call, make an appointment, call back at the agreed upon time to get directions, and then never showed. You do not think that makes us a bit edgy? I spend a half hour showering and preparing to give you a good time and 50% of scheduled appointments never show. WASTING my time! You guys do not seem to get that part of it. We are supposed to be at your beck and call 24/7.
Don't you think that would make us extremely jaded? Do you really think that we sit around all day all made up, with a hand on the phone, just waiting for you to call to come by at a moment's notice?”
Get references… check those references before actually setting the appointment.. that way you have a better chance that he will show up, or that you wont be “wasting your time” getting made up and ready.
”This is a sub-culture business with YMMV, and I just wish you guys would be more understanding. Respect is a 2 way street!”
Yep.. respect is a 2 way street.. and when a provider GG or TG, keeps saying hurry up I have someone coming soon.. that isnt respect for the “customer” and certainly isnt GFE or anything close to it.
”And this overkill about "fake" and Photoshopped photos. You really think that all the ads in Vogue for fashion, the models really look like that in real life? EVERY fashion ad and makeup ad in any magazine has been retouched - big time. So - we like to look good too. I realize that some of the girls do put up fake shots or overdo the retouch, but I am amazed lately that here at TER you spend all of your time ripping almost every escort's photos.”
Honesty is the BEST policy.. pictures posted of a model or genetic woman posted on an AD for a TS /Shemale is a total lie. Posting a picture that has been around for years.. and stating it is new or recent.. is just as bad. (oh, I forgot, you have one of those too… ) But you have only three images posted on your one page personal site and your Eros Ad. So I have to surmise that if one is old.. the rest are as well.. or maybe they arent you??? Your AD says that all the images are “My photos are current as of August 2008” This isnt true.. and you know it.
”Oh, my final comment. You guys have NO IDEA what our lives are like, and yet you act like you know all about us. Walk a mile in our shoes and then you will be entitled to comment.”
You are right.. no one knows what everyone’s life is like.. but If I am paying for something that I want.. I want to know that I am getting what I was promised or what I expected to see from the ad or picture.. to be rushed when the ad said no rushing, to see a lady in a GFE situation and to find her with 3 or 4 people hiding in the bathroom, or to be told.. hurry “papi” I have to see others, or I have someone on their way here… Shit..if my GF told me that.. I wouldn’t be there ever again…
”In spite of all that, I personally like what I do. Making someone forget their cares and stress and giving them a pleasant experience makes me feel good. That is why I do this. It is just not easy to please everybody every time. “
I am glad you enjoy it. I am glad that you understand that you cant please everyone as well.. but this is the nature of the beast. This is the situation you put yourself into, and from your own words.. you enjoy it …
If you ever get to Phoenix, I would love to get to know you, and would even offer to do a free photo shoot with you to give you many more CURRENT images.
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re my photos - the one of my rear end was taken last August ( 2007 ). It still looks the same so I have not replaced that one. The other two ARE CURRENT as of August 2008. I just got my boobs up to where they are August 6, 2008.
That is one of my points. You guys have nothing better to do but try and find something negative to say about us, or, as you are doing here, calling me a liar.
Oh, and honey, unless you LIVE as a TS, you have no clue what it is like. Just being around Tgirls and seeing escorts does not qualify you to pass judgement on us.
Susanna
Sweetie... I dont see escorts.. I shoot them. I also have many who are friends and have for over 30 years. Way before the internet.
And yes you are an attractive lady from your pictures....
I am not calling you a liar.. or anything else.
But advertising some picture as being current.. over a year old isnt current. I am not being negative.. just letting you know that not all of what you said is true or correct.
out of all I said, the only thing you decided to rant on is that your year old picture is current.. that isnt current, I have gals that get current pictures every 3 to 6 months.. so that they can state the pictures are current.
If you had pictures taken in August.. and are only posting 2.. why is that?
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I personally know about every aspect that my gurl is saying been there just tonight, last night, and the night before ECT....
But after telemarketing for 15years and running up on some ugy nasty self-rightious poor excuse for humanbeings both over the phone and setting next to me.
those are the ones we have to forget about it is the ones that make it worth while that I look for and that the hobbist look for always I been to the rodeo.
Expectations will kill a mood on both sides we can only do so much we are only human.
Today I had a guy drove 700 miles just to see me me! and honey if you think he did not smell your kidding yourself but I sucked it up because I want to be treated with repsect so I give it first, by the way I did not know what he did untill he was leaving that is when he told me he had a long trip back home. That is the guy I put up with the no show and the ripoffs for not the one out of 5 jerk.
Get a grip people its not brain surgery its a numbers game some will some wont so what next!
If so many guys are assholes, why should providers have an attitude when good guys bring roses? I thought they would be happy to see a genuine guys.
I feel sorry for any guy that pays a couple hundred bucks hoping to have a nice time and then it turns out to be a "miserable experience". You'd figure the prospect of making a couple hundred bucks would cheer anyone up so there's really no excuse for catching an attitude at the door or on the phone.
Some of us honestly do want to send you out the door with a smile.
There are good providers, pros,and smart and then there are the ones that dont have anything to loose and just do it for the money not caring or giving a damn!!!
Like in any business, it is all about customer service, and theres is simply no explanation with that....if you have a date with a customer and you realize that the guy is a slob, there is always the chance to tell him no thanks in a way he wont be offended....simple...customer service!!! treat people well and they will return....
Well I still don't understand the reason to be ripped off, if you look at my reviews, they are acurate, if I get a less than good encounter I rarely post it, (sometimes it is just due to that encounter). Fake pic's are just that, fake and when girls use them, it waste's our time, and make's us jaded. I can not change the attitude of other guys who pull the BS that they do, but I still don't understand why it is taken out on me! I have met some lovely ladies, and enjoy their company,I mean no disrespect to anyone, and want to say thanks to everyone who posted a reply. Good hunting, and be safe.
Susanna: I hope to meet you sometime when I am down your way.
Tranedrvr...hi baby...I am disappointed that you feel, that you have to be such a "nice guy", that you do not post less than favorable reviews for providers that fall short of your expectations...this is one of my frustrations with TER, all the time men ask for info on a provider(many too lazy to actaully do a search themselves), but often times there is no review at all, in your case you are brave enough to write a review...so good, bad, or indifferent...GO FOR IT...write what you experienced hon, no one can fault you for that...now for the losers who use this service and feel they can not write a review, shame on you, no one is asking you to write a novella, but a short descriptive usually gets the job done(heavy on the descriptive as TER seems to like that...lol)...for those with the cop out that the GG providers shun you, do what other savvy gents do, invest in another account...pay it foward...if more men would write reviews, the cream would rise to the top(don't pardon the pun)and the substandard providers would have to rethink their attitudes and start being as advertised...dfk, Rachel
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This is absolutely correct! Touring girls come thorough my area, that have been all over the US and they don't have any reviews.
You know you get free VIP membership for reviews right? Good or Bad. They do that to help everyone. It helps the clients by not getting ripped off, and it helps the ladies, because if I don't waste my money on a rip-off, it means I still have it when a good provider comes into town.
Absolutely!!! This site is exactly for that purpose. Both sides can express their likes and dislikes and find some common ground for mutual enjoyment. Reviews are invaluable in that respect. BTW the more I read Rachel's postings the more I fall in love in her.....
Rachel? Both Bob and Larry give her 5 stars and two thumbs up All kidding aside, seems very very classy. Right up my alley. Cum to LA sometime.
Just seems like there must be a better way - for the ladies and the guys. Here is my experience...
I try to be the best client I can be. I call to inquire, confirm a time, and then let them know that I'll call before I leave the house. Check rates and never negotiate or question. I also ask if I can bring anything that is needed (maybe protection, maybe bottled water, dinner, any sundries up to $50 would be fine with me).
Before heading out, I shower, shave and put on clean clothes. I rinse with mouthwash and make sure I've got mints in my pocket. Grab a map to make sure I can find the location and plan for any traffic that might come up. Call when I get in my car and then call when I get close.
When I arrive, I introduce myself and try to enjoy some casual conversation. Ask her how she's doing, ask a few kind, but personal questions, to let her know that I am interested in her as a human being.
Before starting a session, offer to show her my latest test results and politely ask her about her comfort zone - dislikes and likes.
When we're finished I ask if I can shower and then make sure that I get cleaned up and move on quickly in case she's got other clients to see.
After all of this, about 70% of the time I end up having mediocre/bad sessions. Mostly ladies that are disinterested and mechanical, or even worse, more interested in their TV, laptop or cell phone during the session.
Unfortunately, I've not found that TER reviews are terribly predictive of the way a session will turn out for me.
God, I can imagine that providing has got to be a tough job and Susan's message drove that point home pretty well. But, I think I'd be a golden regular for a nice lady but I'm starting to wonder if the disappointments are really worth it.
Isn't there a better way? Or do we just try and try and grit our teeth (like Susan does) to find a positive experience?
Hoo
I think this might be a built in societal attitude. Prostitutes are often looked down on in general society. As such you get yahoos calling them and pranking them, or just messing with them in general. Sometimes I think the clients even bring this attitude to a session.
But everyone looks down on "Johns" We have to pay for sex, we aren't victims in any way, we are the victimizers. There is no defense deemed worthy of our actions. We are not "doing what ever we have to do, for our kids," We aren't forced into at a yound age, or hooked on drugs.
This view fo johns as pathetic victimizers, is often carried around by providers themselves, so that even when you go out of your way to be the best cleint possible, in their eyes you're still a scumbag that has to pay for it, and they treat you like it.
Still reviews are all we got. I have seen a well-reviewed lady, that I had a lousy time with and I have given a good review to a lady that the next guys said was terrible.(BTW I saw her again afterwards and she was even better that the 1st time for me)
I am glad that susanna was able to vent. I also think it was really nice of Melissa Carter to be so supportive.
I have lots of respect for transgender woman. I cannot imagine a bigger life change that anyone could go through. I have a hard time just dealing with small things.
As far as dealing with phone calls and all the hassel of no shows.That sounds awful. Perhaps some providors may have some screening tips.
On hygene:Would it be possible to post in your ad that being clean is important to you and that if a man arrives dirty you reserve the right to refuse service? I cant imagine that would be a deal breaker.
As far as the posts from the men I understand why it can get a little heated.
From my perspective seeing a TS girl is something very special. For me when I am with a TS I feel as if I am with a non TS female. I have my male ego and I feel protective and do all the silly things guys do to please woman.
Logically one would suppose that I would think i am with a man that acts like a woman. But that thought does not occure to me. I feel as I am with a woman even though she was not born a woman.
Her cock is not a guys cock. It is her cock, a chick dick.
To me that means I get it, I relate to her and see her for what she is, a woman. There is a feeling that I am sharing something special for myself and with her.
I dont know if other guys feel the same but that is the way I think. Perhaps that is why meeting a nice TS girl that accepts me as I accept her is an important part of the scene.
I remember the first time I saw a transsexual. I bought a video of Dana Douglas the porn star. ( poor lady died of aids I think in 1991)
I remember seeing her and that new feeling of relating to her as a woman. That was a while back but it was a great self discovery.
I do not know if there is a demand for this but it may be worth thinking about.
I have never seen personalized video tapes offered.
Maybe you could try offering to make videos of a guys fantasy, personalizing it by calling him by name and doing his fantasy. I am not sure what one could charge for such a service but it might make a little money and give you room to be more choosy.
I also understand what Tranedrvr is saying. If you show up and are nice and respectful and are paying for a service you should be treated to a nice time.
The only suggestion I might make is maybe you should not try so hard. It sounds a little (even though you are sincere ) you may be giving them the feeling of getting to emotional to fast.
I am not sure if I would show up with an HIV test and ask to see hers. The rule of thumb in having sex with a stranger is to assume every one has HIV and have protected sex. GMHC is a great place to go and get accurate HIV info.
I did that and now feel more comfortable about what is risky and what is not.
But i relate guy!!!!!