I have been with a total of 3 T-girls and all of those experiences, while enjoyable, have fallen short of my expectations. They have been with providers who have been generally favorably reviewed, and yet they've been rapid sessions in darkened rooms, with little real connection. What I'm hoping to find, someday, is someone willing to participate in my fantasy of being on a date with a beautiful woman, with all the mutual seduction that implies, only to be surprised to find her "something extra." At that point, she takes control and uses me as she wishes.

It seems to me, at least based on the providers I've met, that few are interested in anything this "personal," if that's not an absurd word for it, considering everything else we're doing here.

Anyone have any thoughts? I know it's hard to predict how any two people will react to one another, and as they always say, YMMV, but I'm starting to think no one is interesting in even entertaining the idea. I'd especially like to hear from those in the Chicago area, as I visit there frequently.

Brock

What 3 girls have you been with?

I hesitate to say - after my initial post, I feel I'm damning with faint praise. Still, the reason for the site is for news both good and bad, so here they are. All three have been reviewed here, though I'm not sure if the reviews posted for Lily are the same woman I saw. It sounds like it, but the phone number is different from the one I know her under, and I haven't seen a website or ad for her in a while.

Amanda/Delilah in Bloomington, IN - better experience than the other two, but still lacking. At least she seems to enjoy keeping the room well-lit.

Martha in Chicago

Lily from San Francisco (while visiting in Chicago). Her reviews (if she's the right one) are listed under TS Stephanie/TS Lily.

We seem to be seeking the same type of experiance. I have been with more than 10 girls and in general had the same result. Two exceptions are Ashleigh 214 680-4551 (she is always traveling) and Racheal in Chicago. Both are very attractive and great lovers. I thought it must be me ( i"m 64 and in less than great shape) But maybe the girls just can't or wont come close to the dream. Many GG's do but thats not the same.

I share Brock’s concern about “damning with faint praise” but each of these ladies has a very complimentary portfolio of reviews (which is no doubt why he chose to see them).  Please check my work Brock but I think I’ve connected the dot.com’s correctly:


TS Amanda on Eros Ohio
http://www.erostranssexuals.com/ohio-files/ch-amanda76.htm
TS AMANDA / GODDESS DELILAH'S PROFILE
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/show.asp?id=42635
The Goddess Delilah
http://goddessdelilah.com/


TS MARTHA'S PROFILE
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/show.asp?id=46477


TS STEPHANIE/TS LILY'S PROFILE
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/show.asp?id=33235


Unfortunately I feel that the TS hobbyists share at least an equal amount of the blame for the dearth of “passion” in this side of the hobby.  I’ve made some general comments on this subject before (this message was lost among other long-winded musings so it didn’t get any traction as a discussion subject at the time):

TS Hobbyist/Provider Behaviors - Posted by TS Tempted, 1/11/2007
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=21448&boardID=19&page=

And here’s a little mini-rant by Jamie on the subject that was buried in another thread (and being ever so humble I’ll also refer you to my comments thereto):

Wow - such sensitivity... - Posted by JustATransGirl, 7/19/2007
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=25127&boardID=19&page=

For the reasons discussed in those threads, it would seem that a preponderance of TS hobbyists are primarly seeking the “PSE” aspect of the TS experience since there is so much focus on that something extra that makes someone a TS.  I think the term “GFE” was originally coined to describe what I’ll call a “companion experience” but today it means as much what activities may be “on the menu” (LFK/DFK and dare I say BBBJ?) as it does that other quality of a provider experience which you are discussing here as “passion”.  I for one think that a lot of TS experiences would be better described as PSE when compared to the GG side of the hobby even if certain GFE activities are on the menu.

I would submit that companion experiences are also quite rare in the GG side of the hobby but there is a much larger pool of providers who go to great lengths to differentiate themselves from the competition.  It is easier to find them simply because of the size of the market and the greater volume of information available.  And yes I think the practice and discipline of hobbyist references is also a key contributor to making GG sessions more “user friendly” from the get go.  It is much easier to relax and therefore “click” with someone who has a good reference from another reputable source than worrying if some psycho has just walked in your door.

I would be remiss if I didn’t point out a demographic issue also working hard against the TS companion experience.  The TS hobby is very obsessed by youth and is very short on older providers.  IMHO only a “mature” provider can provide a companion experience.  This does not mean they have to be over 30.  I have met some very wise 20 some-things and some very immature 40 some-things, so this is not just about age but it IS about attitude and perspective.  The reasons for this may be obvious - many TS providers are in the early stages of their transitions and find this business a source of much needed cash and not only an acceptance but a desire for who and what they are.  All very compelling I’m sure but it may all turn out to just be a means to an end.  As they get older and get SRS they may disappear into the ranks of “normal” society.   Unfortunately disease has also played a role in this process.  In order to be an older provider you have to have been born in the 60’s or 70’s and were probably sexually active before the AIDS virus transmission vector was sorted out and information and education became widely available to alter behavior towards safe sex practices.  Jamie has also pointed all this out to us before from a very personal perspective in a number of posts (I’ll leave it to you to check those references if you’re interested).

It will be interesting to see how this current bumper crop of young TS develop as the years go by.  Medpeter, I hope you and I are still around to observe the outcome.  BTW do you know any ladies offering discounts to TER/AARP members?  How about Pooh-bellied sugar-daddy’s?  I’ve got quite an investment in this physique and intend to maintain it for as long as I can (which I guess means I will probably never get to meet gerascaphobes like Cameron, her sister Erica, Alexa Dalal or Chanel [sigh]).  

Okay if you’ve made it this far you’ve now been rewarded with a vocabulary word for the day “gerascaphobe” or “someone who fears old age” which in this case I have bastardized to mean “fear of old (out-of-shape) men”.


Enough already.  Enjoy your day.

Take care,

TS Tempted


-- Modified on 11/9/2007 7:57:01 AM

Removed incorrect ad link for TS Lily.

-- Modified on 11/10/2007 5:55:24 AM

I think every encounter is situational. Some of the girls really enjoy what they do and if they connect with you (looks, attitude, etc) you are going to have a blast whereas the ones that are just cranking out as many appointments as then can in a day for the money will probably not give you the GFE that you want. Unlike genetic female escorts who can fake it, with the ladies we like there has to be physical attraction or the real hot time will not occur unfortunately. Mia Fever gets a lot of bad reviews, but when I saw her about 3 years ago in Vegas when we were both there it was the hottest sexual encounter of any sort that I had experienced. Total GFE and lasted close to 2 hours. Currently seeing a 23 year old latina hottie (does not advertise on eros or cl) that is morphing from a client/provider situation to more of an actual "normal" type of relationship and in fact when she was over this past Monday said she wants to have my baby!! Now that would be an interesting scientific breakthrough.  Keep reading the TER reviews to help narrow your choice and then take the plunge. Hope you find what you are looking for as it can be a truly amazing and memorable experience.

You know what Lemmy of Motorhead sings don't you TSBTQ?

You know I'm born to lose, and gambling's for fools,
But that's the way I like it baby,
I don't wanna live for ever, Ace of Spades!

thanks for the kind words medpeter...of course what you and i had was passionate...takes two you know...from DFK to making love(what i prefer), it takes two...maybe i was a courtesan in a past life, but i derive so much pleasure giving pleasure...is not our brains the largest sexual organ we possess? so i try to always make some kind of cerebral sexual connection with my gentlemen...maybe that is why i have such a good client retention and we can have all kinds of mild to wild sexual fun and then still hold intimate conversations afterwards...i don't have a "type", so i find men of various  ages, builds, and ethnicities hott, especially if they arrive with clean bodies and dirty minds...i am blessed, this industry is not my main source of income, so i am lucky enough to see very few men in a weeks time, but i always treat them like lovers and that we are sneaking away to spend some quality time together, thus allowing the passion to flow...darn, now my mind is racing, let me go and take care of this large bulge in my La Perla panties, anybody want to help?...DFK, Rachel

My my, hey hey
Rock and roll is here to stay
It's better to burn out
Than to fade away
My my, hey hey.

Out of the blue and into the black
They give you this, but you pay for that
And once you're gone, you can never come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black.

The king is gone but he's not forgotten
This is the story of a Johnny Rotten
It's better to burn out than it is to rust
The king is gone but he's not forgotten.

Hey hey, my my
Rock and roll can never die
There's more to the picture
Than meets the eye.
Hey hey, my my.

Rust Never Sleeps
Neil Young 1979


Different generations I guess.

TSBTQ to you too

I find it telling that the only provider response came from a well known lover. What a woman!

I noticed that too. I'm familiar with Rachel by reputation only, as she was recommended to me by a GG provider who I like to think of as a very good friend, even though we only saw one another a couple of times. Now *that* was an emotional connection! What she lacked in "natural" equipment, she made up for with attachments.

As it happens, I tried to see Rachel on one of my many trips to Chicago, but by the time I got a response from her booking service, I had already made other plans. I don't believe this was her fault, or her service. I'm sure I would have had better luck phoning instead of emailing, but that's me. Rachel, if you're reading this, I fully intend to meet you someday!

Brock

I can echo your sentiment about it maybe being you, Medpeter. While a tiny bit younger than you, I'm in less-than-Adonis-like shape myself. At 53, I'm trying to improve, and making progress. Still, no one is going to mistake me for a Harlequin Romance cover model. So that thought has occurred to me, too.

Having said that, I've had a number of GG providers tell me afterwards that I'm a genuine sweetheart and to stay in touch. Maybe I'm a fool, but I've taken them at their word.

Still, you can never predict with anything close to complete accuracy who is going to be attrated to whom. Well, OK, sometimes you can, but those are the really obvious cases.

Very thoughtful response, TST. I appreciate hearing your views.

While it doesn't have a direct bearing on my original topic, I have to say that in general I must agree with you about maturity being an asset, but one that is far from appreciated in many parts of this community. Not only do I find maturity exciting for its own sake (I blame my high school art teacher for this - a story in itself), but at 53 I find it increasingly difficult to even hold a conversation with someone who's 20. And I'm sure that plays a big role in whether or not you make that "connection."

And you nearly batted 1.000 with your links. The only one that was off was the ad webpage for Lily. That's not the woman I saw. I still believe though that the TER review page may have been correct. Somewhere on my computer I have a copy of the page she ran on Eros when I saw her. If there's some way to upload or otherwise display it, I'll try.

Brock

Brock
Thanks for posting the names. It seems that quality diminish with time and finding a good provider is rare. Without us giving the facts were letting the poor providers ruin it for everyone.

true "marketing".... some of the girls like what they do better than others, some may like a particular client better than others.  I often take flowers on my first "date" with a provider.  Some appreciate it, others could care less... and, depending on the accomodations, don't have the ability to vase them anyway.  The reference to Ashleight was a great one... she is a dear, as well as Dee from Toronto (my ATF)... and Summer from Orlando... CC in Lauderdale... and Chloe in SF... Claudia from San Jose... all were very "involved" with our encounters... ya pays yer money and takes yer chances... read the reviews and know that it is still a crapshoot... worst experience I had was one of the highest rated girls on the tour... don't quit, be nice, clean, ready, and treat the ladies with respect.

Lovely Brock...I look forward to our first embrace...DFK, Rachel