Why exactly are TS providers "Girls"?   As far as I can see every ad is pretty obviuosly a dude with big fake tits.   What's the draw?   The only thing I would understand is the potential for awesome oral.  What else gets you?  What keeps it from being gay sex?

Fire away- I am curiuos- not that curious, but curious.

Not sure a) whether you're looking at the right pix Sully..... or simply trying to start a flame war, but if you're serious then I'd suggest glasses. To say that "every ad is pretty obviuosly a dude with big fake tits." is completely untrue. A lot of the pix are of girls who if not advertising as TS would have NO problem passing as anything other than beautiful women. As for the rest of the question......ie what constitutes gay sex, I'll leave that to the more experienced to explain.

Only way to figure it out is go see for yourself. You will either love it or hate it.

And as for us TS lovers "firing away" trying to convince mighty you of anything....trust me....we have found much better things to do with our time

"dudes with  tits" transsexuals" ''shemales"  "girls  with  dicks" what  ever  you  wanna  call  them they are in  fact  sexier than  many  women i  know.  gay sex ???? str8?   bi-sex?????  who cares?... dont  trouble  yourself finding "answers" to  your  insecuri-TITS     im  sure there are  guys  outhere wanting  YOU! thats assuming  you are  as  hot as  a  "DUDE  WITH TITS"  if  not  then  i  understand  where  your frustration is  coming  from. V.f.

Sully....I have been with a lot of women in my day and have never been with a guy and have no interest in having sex with a guy. I started checking out TS scene about two years ago because the thought of a beautfil woman with a big cock was a turn on.  I have now experienced a couple of Shemales and all I can say is WOW.  I think it is one of those things that until you try it you don't know what you are missing.  It's like me trying to tell you what it is like to have your ass rimmed.  Until you experience it you will never know!

Dude- I grew up in SF/London- I'm pretty good at spotting the manly girls.  But i'll grant you your view.

Not looking for convincing- just trying to understand.  

Believe it or not, I have a fair number of Gay friends and I've even discussed what they find sexy.  But they like mainly real "manly" qualities.  I am trying to understand.

I mean if you like feminised- there are these things called women who are really good at it.  

I would also like to find out why the TSs escort?  Isn't being both genders hard enough?  

Just looking for some help in getting my little mind around this part of the industry- sorry if it ruffles feathers.

BTW I hate fake tits wherever I see them, so I was really adressing that- not dissing the product.

In my youth I did seem to get chatted up by a lot of dudes in SF, but as I am old and shitty looking, I doubt any gays give me a second glance.  The young girls certainly stopped looking back about 10 years ago.

And I have NEVER seen a TS who got me going.  Not a one.  Sometimes impressed, but never interested.

My frustrations are all purely economic.  

BTW why all the vitriol agin me?  I just asked a question.

I believe this falls into the "each his own" catergory.  I cannot explain my attraction to t-girls.  I have not ever been attracted to men;  but on more than one occasion  I find myself drooling over a t-girl who is extreamly attractive,  or impressive as you wrote earlier, but nonetheless is obviously a man.  I have also discovered that my attraction to t-girls differs from my attraction to regular women.  I prefere blond, white t-girls but my preferance for genetic women tends lean lean heavily towards latina or italian girls.  go figure.
  You also asked why do so many t-girls escort?  I do not think this question is easily answerd.  First many of these women face very difficult discrimination issues;  after all have you ever actually seen one working anywhere?  Anywhere outside of either a gay neighborhood or bar, club, etc.?  I have also spent years living in San Fran and not ever there did I come across a t-girl working anywhere that was not predominatly gay.
I also think that for many it is a way of acceptence.  Many of these girls have spent their entire lives misreable in their bodies and increadibly self concious on top of that.  In the escort scene they find themselves suddenly accepted and indeed sought after by men attracted to and looking for the very thing that they themselves have been trying to cope with all along.
just my two cents.

It's simple. Different strokes for different folks.

I can never understand why some guys like overweight girls. But some do.

I can never understand why attracts guys to other guys who are "bears" or beefy Chippendales models, but some are.

Some guys only date black girls. Some guys only date blondes. Some have Asian-fetishes.

Some people like sushi, other's can understand why someone would eat raw fish.

I'm sure everyone has a preference. Why worry about other people's preferences? Be happy that there is an entire spectrum of tastes out there in the world, otherwise the majority of the world would be pretty lonely.

First to the first poster, the reason why some guys got ticked was the way you worded your question. Instead of just asking a question, it was implied by your tone that the description of the Tgals as a criticism of those who like them.
I wasn't insulted but I can see why others were.

As another poster said, differant strokes for differant folks.

Personally, I simply like the variety. I don't see them that often but if you find the right one, it can be fun.
I am not gay, have never had an encounter with a man and never will.
Many of the TS gals are very feminine and other than the penis, they act and look like females.  The best of both worlds feature can be a good turn on.
Just my 2 cents.

Thanks- that's a way better answer- I can go and try to digest this to help me understand...

more power to ya bro!

IT was worded very badly actualy! And sorry Sully but it did come off as just another guy from the LA boards who like to Flame and stir up truouble?
If you are intersted in the financial part of the TS Adult world, I could maybe help you shed a little light on the matter (not that I am specialist). I Dance for a few clubs out here in CA, and Vegas. And the clubs I work for actually own some Adult Store/ Peep Show Places. Well I was talking to one of our managers at one about the whole (She-Male) videos and all. He actually told me that those kind of videos he can not keep on the shelves. Not only that, but in the video booths....those are the most watched videos, and the magazines go very fast as well?
The clubs I work for have not a clue as to me being a postop ts, wich is cool.......So as far as you saying we are just ugly guys with fake tits......guess what? That was wayyyyy off base and deffinetly a slam!

Yup. My apologies to Sully. Sounded like he was talking from his throne initially. I was wrong. He sounds like a fine upstanding whoremonger. I'm Sorry.

I initially got attracted to Trannies by accident. Used to cruise the boulevard looking at all the fine female ho's in my town. Did a lot of business with them - all BJ stuff, since quality BJ's from slutty women was what I wasn't getting at home! Then the brave boys in blue shut it all down.

About a year later I found another spot where there was plenty of action and the "girls" were extremely slutty looking. I did a lot of business with them too! Some of them would tell me they weren't girls, but "queens" and I would ride off disgusted. I kinda didn't believe them, 'cos they sure as hell looked like girls to me. Mighty fine girls at that! Some said to be careful 'cos some of the girls out there weren't girls. So I was careful to make sure that my picks looked really girly....and slutty. Always excellent BJ's. Always slutty "girls" who were really into it. Well as time went on I came to realize that NONE of them were real girls. By then tho' I was hooked on their excellent BJ's, great attitudes and knack for sluttiness.

Well it's all downhill from there. I increasingly did more and more with them. I'll spare you the gory details - but I now like it all. And five years ago I truly had never heard of a "Tranny".

IMHO - I think some of it is just our individual continuing quest for new things/experiences in our lives. Some is that most trannies have this awesome sexual attitude - unlike American women. Some, I think, is simply that they are/were guys....and know what turns guys on - dressing-wise, servicing-wise, mind-wise.

I troll the L.A., Orange County, Tijuana battlezone. I'll occasionally pick up a Compton/Sepulveda/Long Beach ghetto lady if she's slutty and trashy enough. But, my TJ trips are a great ilustration of how far I've fallen - I walk into Adelitas or Chicago or Hong Kong or Lord Blacks - BEAUTIFUL Latinas everywhere. My favorite. And I love it, hang out with them, buy drinks, etc., etc. But virtually never go upstairs. Then I head over to Noa Noa or Bambi or Sans Souci where the Trannies are.....and I'm mesmerized - like a moth drawn to a flame!

Am I gay. I don't think so. If I am, that's fine too. There's nothing wrong with being gay. Not sure how to reconcile this, but I'm married and also really enjoy fucking the old lady!!!!??? I have no attraction to a man that looks like a man. I have an incredible attraction to something that is/was a man that now looks and acts like a slutty woman. The key tho' is slutty or hot-looking. Kinda similar to where a regular woman gets slutted-up (like at strip clubs or strolling the boulevard) and she becomes your fantasy fuck. The sexual high you're looking for. But when she's not slutted-out or hot-looking (or the Tranny is out of "drag") she disgusts you again....and forces you to go drinking with your buddies.....watch eight NFL games in a day.....and pass your valuable time reading moronic postings on message boards!

Knowatimean?

Cabriac, Temp3station, MW11.....excellent responses. The bottom line is that we all have our our preferences and to each his own.  I have also of the belief that until you tried something (within reason of course) don't knock it

Kylie -

You should take a trip to Boston...

BTW -does your name mean I want to Fart in Italian?  I only passed I and II, so I am not sure but doesn;t Voglio mean I want?

NOT DISSING YOU- a question.

But getting reamed yourself?  Blowing them?   These are things I would like to avoid if possible in my life.  I can see the oral and the buttfucking THEM might have its moments, but recieving?  I don't go over the middle to take the big hits anymore- to use a football analogy from my youth.

Just a dialogue not a diss.

Nostro  amico non  ha la  palida idea del  significato di  molte cose.  per questo  si  confonde e  cerca di dare  lezione di  lingue...    i  can  only  say!   if  you  are  trying  to  find a  meaning at  every  word  that  you  see .,  for one "Fart" and  "Farti" have two  different meanings but of  course having a  sarcastic(narrowed) mind like  the  one you  are  showing thats  the only thing  you  could  come  up  with.   i  will  suggest that  you  go  back and  take  some  more Italian classes   and  save  yourself from exposing this way.  Ciao  apresto!   V.f.  Ludovici.

Sorry -dude did not mean to be a dick- actually thuoght you were mixing the tongues...   gotta get my old diciotnary out and look up "farti" nel italiano.  

Live and learn.

BTW- looked again with new eyes and still don't see the hotness of the "ladies"  - most look like camoflaged dudes to me still.   But I can grant you guys your vision quest thing- whatver works for you is cool.

Just please be safe if you are going to play in the other pool as well...

"BTW- looked again with new eyes and still don't see the hotness of the "ladies"  - most look like camoflaged dudes to me still.   But I can grant you guys your vision quest thing- whatver works for you is cool."

Keeping this in mind I decided to check out your taste in women.  All I can really say is judging from your taste it's no wonder you don't find many t-girls attractive... you don't like attractive women either.  

And as far as playing it safe goes... I am much more worried about hobbyist who like to slum with street girls than with t-girls.  I have never been with a t-girl who does not require a condom for full service;  but from what I have read on other boards (world sex guide, etc.) it isn't too uncommon to get a down on her luck street girl around rent time to go bareback.  We all need to play safe, regardless of who it is we decide to play with.

after doing a search for posts sully has made to the TER community, all I could find were flames every time he posts??? Hmmm???

at serenlove.com. - I have seen Seren as a friend with another girlfrined of mine, this tgirl is a girl, except for a big surprise, but she is one of the most passable girls around. Hot lady! Also TSCassandraRocks.com - I have seen Cassandra Ella - also thru my girlfriend meeting up with her for lunch. My God - what a girlie! Also with a smaller surprise. Both of these girls are extremely safe.

Just to let you know- I hobby for service- my SO is a babe, so I don't need that covered.

For me an old woman who can give a massage and a good bj is better than a talentless hottie!  Just my taste thuogh.  Understand a lot for the guys like more...

Ok the first Q is why are they "girls". Lingo in the gay/ts world. GUYS call each other "bitches" all the time in thier environment."Girls" is the more acceptable word for TSs and TVs. No biggie! Whats the dar you ask? AHH but each and every one has an attraction. FETISHES are found in many forms.Maybe you like FEET? Or Charlie your neighbor likes women who wear peanut butter on their nipples.DONT matter really. Its what floats anyoens boat. I personally LUV women. AND TSs! SMOOTH skin will flip me everytime.Am I gay? Dont really care what "WORD" you try attaching to me.As long as I enjoy it! "TRISEXUAL" would be the word I prefer.

Dude-

REAL WOMEN ARE NOT JEALOUS OF TSs!  Never met one who was- why would they be?

Might be jealous of the outfit or the shoes, thuogh!