You must realized we girls have bills to paid. Lifestyle being a TS doesn't come cheap, there are maintenance and expenses.  If you spend less you get a man in a dress, wigs, stubbles, and an unsafe neighborhood... you spend more you get a woman with class, beauty, brains and sex appeal. Stop complaining and invest your money wisely.  No Glove, No Love and always be safe.

I don't think its the cash that gets most guys riled up, it is the ratio of bad sessions to good sessions that sucks. There are some very nice ladies around, but there are much more that really just want your cash, and don't want to provide a real service.

I suspect that's because this area of the hobby flys much more UTR than GGs. Most guys don't want to review TSs for fear of being shunned by GGs, or other stigmas. An average GG can get a decent amount of reviews in a short time, but even the best TSs don't have that many.

Sometimes we just need to look into the mirror. Step up guys and write those reviews.

hello, whats it like for  a 1st timer? what type of background does a client come from?? education?

Aria - makes some great points IMHO.  Also, and I have heard this from other TS's too:  A TS being fully functional limits the number of visits a day compared to a GG.  And free enterprise would suggest paying more for a luxury than a commodity - which I personally support : )

Now that being said - it does seem that I have had more real and intimate conversations with straights than Tgals.  Not that I have not experienced this with a tgal, just much less frequent.  I emailed one visiting Tgal a little while ago ( with great reviews ), a few nice paragraphs introducing myself and saying I would like to meet .. a little flirty, but not out of taste ... with the final question:  does she enjoy GFE and a bottle of nice wine with her date.    I received a very short  note in response ( one word ):  NO !

Now I can live w/o GFE, bur for me to pay the additional dollars, let alone meet, not only do I want physical attraction, I also want to spend time with someone who is fun and happy and does not think of me soley as a means to fund their life - just as I do not think of her as just a means to have sex.  It goes both ways !

Interesting "logic". You'd accept a $10.00 loaf of bread because the grocery store wants gold plated water fountains?

Sorry dear, but there aren't many bigger turnoffs in my mind then providers justifying their overpricing by putting down other providers.

Charge what you want if you're any good you'll get it without slamming others.

Investing money wisely means I never pay 200 for a 20-30 minute fling with a self absorbed provider.

I totally agree with lotus66 (Hello again by the way!) in that, it should be a mutual-type of thing with everyone involved and, that it is a much more enjoyable experience all the way around if you are with someone who is happy and fun to be with.
It also seems to me that you need to be somewhat flexible and understanding occasionally in this lifestyle and, I have had alot of my regular guys contact me asking if I would consider offering a special rate on subsequent visits, which I personally do not mind doing once in awhile, especially if the particular guy is fun to be with!
(I am even planning to offer a regular "group-rate/gang-bang" type of get-together on a bi-monthly basis for members of my Yahoo group who would really like to see me (again) but, who are on a tight budget in an effort to offer something else that might be a fun idea for everyone involved!)
The bottom line is that we should not only be safe but, to have as much fun as possible too so, my only advice concerning this particular topic (for anyone who is interested), is to simply shop around, find someone you are comfortable/compatible with, and have some FUN exploring your fantasies!
Have a great time everyone!!

Overpricing service then trying to justify it by saying "it's expensive living a life style" is insulting.

The kind of fees expected nowadays are more than we pay an attorney or Doctor. It'd #$&*#@ ridiculous in many cases.

I see a few regular providers who are fabulous, GFE and really make me feel like a lover for the hour or two I'm with them and never have to pay more than 2 bills.

Oh sure... there are plenty of suckers out there who will put gold knobs on a providers wash basin. I'll never be one of them.

"Lifestyle being a TS doesn't come cheap, there are maintenance and expenses"-- Translation? About the same thing as this--> "It's very expensive to be me. It's terrible the things I have to do to be me". -- Anna Nicole Smith


"If you spend less you get a man in a dress, wigs, stubbles, and an unsafe neighborhood... you spend more you get a woman with class, beauty, brains and sex appeal"-- Translation?
"Anyone who charges anything less than my self-absorbed sexy self is pure street trash. A man in drag with stubble more than likely. I DESERVE to live a lifestyle above such trash. Besides I am "all that and a bag of chips" and you adore me by paying too much of your hard earned money to be in my presence up to maybe an hour. You might be lucky and not get screwed by me as I hustle out the door as fast as I got my hands on your cash. And besides that, now that I do have your cash, I am going to handjack you off and screw you that way instead of any chance at a GFE or any penetration! Oh and please remember to write glowing reviews about me on TER? I deserve that too!!  MUUUUAHHH!! *fake cheek kiss inserted here* Until the next time I take your cash and screw you over! TATA!! Next 300 to 500 dollar SUCKER please step inside."

I read one word into this message,  SELFISHNESS!


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with a surfeit of unremarkable providers describing themselves as a "goddess" and possessing a "perfect body" i suppose i should cut the attractive Aria some slack just because she's not unattractive. at least not to look at anyway.

is that some (most??) boys are looking out for #1 and escorts / hookers are just pieces of meat to be used and discarded.  

And that dear boys is why the girls charge you through the nose and then so many rip you off.  Doesn't matter if she's TS or GG.

And a lot of girls aren't in this business because they like it but because they can make money fast.

There are quality girls.  If you stick with them you are generally going to have a good predictable experience.  But you guys keep dating street whores and non-reviewed CL girls - then you complain about getting ripped off.  What can I say, "told you so..."  

So what's your options gents?  1) Do it yourself. 2) Save for a trip to Thailand (with it's own set of morals - since most girls there are sex slaves and not doing it by choice)  or...

3) Date the top quality, well reviewed professional girls who you know will usually provide what you are looking for.  And it's true not everyone is going to connect every time, but the ratio is higher that you will have a good time.

Hugs,
TS Jamie  - Come see me for GFE!

Guys complain because they don't get their moneys worth.

Look, I can get Vo in Los Angeles for $$ when she advertises on CL. And she is worth every penny of it and the $$$ she asks for on Eros. This is because of the service she provides. Full GFE. Wonderful. That is for a top girl(mostly)

Same thing for Veronikya on CL in Los Angeles. She is $$.5 and worth it. It is just plain fun being with her and gfe.

The problem is other girls that are not gfe, nor even particularly fun to be with asking big bucks. If all I'm gonna get is a lame bj and doing her doggy until she complains I'm taking too long, I am going to complain that $$ is too much money.

So thats the deal. If you provide crappy service, expect that guys will want a huge discount to see you. If you provide outstanding service, you won't be here complaining because you will have a lot of good reviews and a loyal following of customers.

Soooo... lets do a little math. Lets take $200 as an average rate and lets say that a provider sees 4 clients a day, 5 days a week.  So that is $800 a day, $4,000 a week $16,000 a month, that's $192,000 a year! Remember that this is tax free income!  I dont know about the rest of you but I dont clear $192,000 a year.  How much does a good set of tits, lipstick and a razor cost these days!  Seriously, I dont mind paying whatever price I think the session and the provider is worth but when I have ventured out of my known circle for the most part I have been sorely disappointed which makes even $20 too much to spend.

Sorry, most trans girls don't see 4 clients a day at $200. I "wish."

If we were making 200G a year trust me, we would have retired last year and opened a sandwich shop or trans bar and not risk arrest and stds, and axe murderers.  We're still trying to save for surgeries, to pay off student loans, and we don't even have drug or alcohol habits to waste our money on.

But Jessica is a full time student, and I run our video business, so we don't sit around in lingere all day waiting for the phone to ring.  We date maybe once a day.  Which is a good reason to call us a day or two in advance.  And maybe that's why we still like entertaining you gents when others get jaded and burned out.

We aren't getting rich by any means. We live a middle class lifestyle in a nice 1 bedroom apt in a nice complex, furnished by IKEA, and our one car is 6 years old.

Please someone buy me a new Cadillac CTS and I'll love you till the warranty runs out...  Buy us a house and we'll both marry you!

And I can't speak for anyone else but we DO pay taxes. We are "adult entertainers." And because we recieve 1099's for our video work  there's no way around it.  Also Jessica has college loans so she has to have a 1040.  So basically we're screwed by everybody...

Giggle,
TS Jamie  

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sorry to hear you are screwed by everybody. Both of you can screw me when I am in your part of town. ouch ...yummm..ouch ..yummm

that a lot of providers that should be in the $200 bracket are now advertising $250 and $300, and others are throwing some unreal numbers up there!  It costs a lot for the clients to live too, and this is a down economy.  Cut the crap about getting what you pay for, because the biggest complaint on the board is that too many providers don't provide in accordance with their ads or their prices.  Basically, I now stick with a half dozen that I know well, and am extremely reluctant to try a new experience for $300 or $350, or even $250 in some cases.  That's the bottom line, too many providers not providing adequate service.

clients, take phone calls during session, and get more than $200 for probably more than 4 sessions a day... that said, others do not report their full income (you probably don't either)... just provide the full hour, play nice, be fair... just like kindergarten, and everyone is happy.  And this is more for some of the other providers than you...

Try this. Now Houston did spoil me very well in the TS world.

Sometimes new Tgirls start showing up at the loval Diva dive known as Cousins, a place I frequented alot. A new girl came in once that I had seen around the streets a couple times but never addressed her in person. She approaches me as I am having a beer and watching the TGirls move about on a weekend night. She asks if I am interested, I ask what she likes and what she prefers to charge. 250 dollars?  Yeah right!!. Her response when I told her that wasnt near feasable " All us girls are chargning that", BULLSHIT!!  Shes the newbie acting like I just fell off the turnip truck in a bar I had been going to for 6 friggin years and she might have 2 weeks time spent in the same bar? BULLSHIT!!

I left with one of my staple Tgirls I am used to seeing. Nights entertainment? About 20 dollars in drinks and a little over 80 dollars to my regular Tgirl.

She saw me opening the car door for my evening date as we were leaving. I smiled and laughed at the same time. She knew she lost any chance at my business ever.

Now to burst a bubble!
One of the Tgirls I saw exclusively for awhile and I had a recent phone chat. We try keeping in touch with some kind of friendship considering I moved. I told her about this thread. Her response is maybe these girls live in expensive cities but anything over 200 is excessive no matter what city they live in, including New York. Face it, greed rules every market. There will always be upsellers looking for the next idiot to charge 300 or 400 or even more if they find that idiot. It just so happens this 9+ years experienced hobbyist for TS ladies is not about to become the next town idiot for an 18 yr old wet behind the ears rookie.

For the record my cherry was burst by Anna/Roxanne (Houston)in February of 1998. Maybe 80 dollars at that time. I still remember her telling me while that thick cock was destroying my ass "You are not a virgin anymore, I took it".

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