Why do so many TS providers on Eros not provide donation info and verification? They want you to reach out to them and ask for info that should ideally be in their ads. It seems to me that there is a lot of potential for bait-and-switch, or worse. Can anyone share good or bad experiences when you rolled the dice and arranged a meeting with a questionable provider?

...They warn you not to discuss money with them during contact.

So, I usually just stuff $10,000 in my pockets before I leave for the appointment.  That covers any surprises with the donation.

Eros allows you to put rates in ads. I don't know why girls don't, I would guess they slide their rates around depending on how many people their seeing, etc.

It shouldn't make much of a difference if the rates are advertised. If the person is screening appropriately to weed out bad actors and LEO. At that point, as long as things are well worded and stated concisely, there should be issue.

On the other hand, unless this is some brand new girl, she's going to have reviews either here or elsewhere, which have rates for service in them. So it should be fairly easy to determine her rates.

I think you're on to something LOL.  Not posting the rate is smart.  Few customers will be deterred by its absence, and most won't ask on the phone even if there is no warning in the ad about asking about money.  Given their misplaced anticipation of meeting the doll in the ad, many still fork over their dollars to the beast in a wig at the door.  They will hardly be put off by a high price after making the mistake of not asking about it until they've invested all their time and effort to get to her place.  It's a great set-up for fleecing the sheep.

Hello all,

As an EROS poster/provider, just wanted to give a little input on this topic.... I have posted with EROS for years, and generally had mainly only good, to great results, with the types of contacts i have made... i am however, one of the girls that does *not* publish my rates in my EROS ad...

 
Several reasons why.... one, is the "Transactional" end of things. I am known over the years for being a *Very* "anti-transactional" escort and companion, and that holds true consistently across the board in every aspect of my years of dedication to this art, and it also bears out in both the style of ads that i write, as well as both the tone and language that i use.  
 

I would prefer to write an excellent ad, and frankly not cheapen or detract from it, or myself, with posting rates on that same page.  
 

For me, this has worked well over the years and generally served to attract more of the kinds of people i would wish to connect with.... more discreet, more mature, more well educated, and more *Not* looking for just a "quick one and done" or "done and run" kind of person.    
 

I would prefer to err on the side of elegance and articulation, than be perceived as just another one of the majority of "transactionally-oriented",  as most of my special friends over the years, HAVE had the misfortune of running afoul of every kind of fake, flake, or rudely cold, scripted, rushed, distracted, clock-watching, and otherwise completely revolving door kind of person... and found me to be the opposite of that.  
 

The feedback that i get,,  99.9% of the time in all of my years in this, is that *Most* mature, discreet, gentlemanly people and nicer couples, would prefer to **NOT** deal with companions that are any, or all, of the above mentioned things, and it is exactly the way in which i present my language in my postings, that gets noticed. Not the fact that i didn't post my rates.  
   

 Granted - not everyone out there knows what a normal standard of say, Outcall rates, for a mature, educated, clean, legit, established, & reviewed companion is, in this country (i think the average would fall between 350 and 500, depending on the amount of time we spend and travel considerations), and to be honest, sometimes i *will* vary my rates, but NOT as a ripoff....Not ever... i give *everything* i say that i will and more, almost always and without exception, to the best of my passions and abilities.... so, there is a difference. ..and as result, i am frequently gifted more generously for being that way and leaving it open-ended.  

     
I have never had two different sets of rates...(except my in-call is slightly lower than my outcall rate),  never done the "one VIP rate and one "non-VIP" rate. My average date is 90 minutes or more, and i am more often than not, well-rewarded for taking that kind of time for mutual enjoyment at every level possible.  
     

If someone wishes me to Outcall in the EROS Map listed region or my local area ( because i drive, i consider "local" a max of 30 to 40 miles), and therefore my rates are (have always been) generally the same, but if for example, someone wishes me clear my schedule for half a day, and drive 40 or 50 or 60 miles, and an hour or two or more each way, to come see them....  
     

...then in all good conscience & respect of myself (and them) i am not going to sell myself short for a variety of reasons, including that i am also a self-employed corporate society girl, with a high level of discretionary needs in my life and practices,  and have several years of primarily only Good to Great reviews, and i mainly require advance bookings whenever possible... (and i drive a car with a *Big*, gas-guzzling engine too ...then i will reserve the right to be "flexible" in my offered rates, during screening conversations or emails with potential new friends.    
     

But never, not *ever*, unreasonably above standards for giving someone less of myself than promised, nor, too low below them either.  
     

We've all had people call, or contact us, and ask rather obtusely (even rudely i think sometimes) "hey, can you come and see me for 80$, or 140$ or "all i have today is 200, do you mind?" ....and then expect me to clear my schedule for an hour or more (many seem not to understand that a woman could be anyplace, doing anything - and in my case, corporate job, local family, established 3rd generation local DC/MD native girl, and in need of both planning and discretion),....  
     

....and then, take a few hours, or even half a day to :  Stop whatever i may be doing, get myself ready to perfect as possible,  without exception,,  because that is my own personal standard about presentation,  then possibly drive in DC traffic for 30, or 50, or 70 minutes each way, and then be expected to accept gifts below normal upscale standards?  

 
Is that ripping anyone off? No. That is sometimes simply inconsiderate and unthinking on the part of many men i have, over time, very politely, and very warmly, *screened out*, and not ultimately seen.    
   

As well, there's the LE factor. I firmly believe that the less you say that looks or feels commercially transactional, the less of a potential target of interest that you are.... another reason that in BIG BOLD print at the bottom of *every* single ad i have ever published, it ALSO says "No Drugs Please"....  

         
I publish rates on one or two of my sites and am happy to direct people there, and my own VIP site is listed with a link right on the EROS page, and that site has a rate schedule, as does my page at Geisha Affair Int'l and i think also my P411 page does too.    
   

If someone thinks i'm just another fake or flake or ripoff just because i don't publish my rates, then i am truly sorry if i lost them. I would rather focus on quality of connections than quantity anyway, so that has always been my standard, and i cover rates during (no exception) polite, always warm, and intelligent screening conversations that usually last anywhere from 5 to 15 or even 20 minutes, and it is worth the extra time in my mind to A.) let someone know i am not the typical flake or coldly scripted clock-watcher, and B.) finding quality people to connect with in that way, than just being more of a "where are you now, how much can you bring, when can you be here" kind of thing.    
     

I understand many of us have to be on that level for sheer survival and need to turn large numbers and volume for expense of transition (still immense $$$ to survive this process), but i was never wired that way, even at my most desperate times.    
   

So... food for thought.... maybe i do things a little differently, and if that's the case, and it helps set me apart from the crowd, or helps me remain more discreet and eloquent in the process, so be it... i'm ok with that... at least for now.... this topic also gave *me* good food for thought as well....    
   
   
Most sincerely, always,  
   

Namaste'  

 
 

 
TheAngelaGirl

-- Modified on 4/18/2017 11:02:12 AM

AGREED !!!!!!!

Quite honestly, if a girl has ever talked to a lawyer, or been busted, she will know not to put a price quote on an ad.  With a price quote, all an undercover has to to is show up, say "I saw your ad on Eros, and i would like an hour", and as soon as girl agrees, she's committed solicitation, and busted.  A screen shot of the ad is all the D.A. will need to prove up the case.

Anyway, the market rate is pretty much set in every city...There is the top tier rate for porn star girls on Eros, and TS4Rent ; Second tier is Backpage, and the dregs is Craigslist.  Each ad space has a set price range and everyone knows what it is...

So when you answer a girls ad on Backpage, and she asked "have you ever dated a girl on backpage before", once you say yes, she knows you are in the 100 - $200 range and she will probably accept whatever you bring in that range, and the range of service will be based on whether you bring $100 or $200.

However, lots of girls do post their rates, but I suspect most hobbiest's will agree that many time those rates are negotiable?  So why bother.

I feel like rates should never be negotiable. Especially if a provider has posted a rate anywhere. If anything I usually give an extra 50 because I feel lucky to have found a provider that has passed my intense screening that I do before I will see a provider and will accommodate the fact that I own a small business and don't know my availability until the day of and really can't book in advance.  I also don't have a ton of extra money to spend and I would not want to waste the time off a provider who is expecting closer to 1000 when I can only spend closer to 500.  So I can say I appreciate knowing what the expected donation is before I contact the provider.

Angela --  

As always, you have a sensible, reasonable, common sense approach to these matters. This one is no exception. It's why you are so wonderful!

Best,

Jack in California

Very good point, and I'm sure many agree with you.  All the best.

"No Lowballers"  is my favorite phrase in an ad.  If your rates are not listed anywhere, how do I know if I am "lowballing"?  

Start at $10,000 again...

Call me up ha ha

Truth be told, eros is extremely funny about ads. As far as I know, you can not discuss time.

... 'and as soon as girl agrees, she's committed solicitation'.
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Really? --- accepting an offer of money in return for "time" doesn't necessarily involve sex, and is not soliciting prostitution, provided the advertiser did not mention sex in the ad.
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With a new girl if I suspect the possibility of a LE trap, I assume there is a microphone hidden somewhere and clearly say that I only want a massage.  If the girl tries to lure me into asking for sex, I would conclude it's a sting operation and tell her that I am not here for sex, only a massage and some companionship for an hour.

Anyone know if this will not avoid getting busted?

END OF MESSAGE

Rather than stuff $10K in your wallet to cover the sexual extortionist's demands, you could try this.
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Show up with only the cash based on your valuation of her services.  (Base it on middle market. Don't low-ball.)  If she balks say that "Your ad said not to discuss money before seeing you, so this is all I brought with me that I thought would make you happy."  If she acquiesces, you've used her refusal to state her price to accomplish an equitable exchange.  If she demands more or bitches, sneers, avoids eye contact, walks away, shows any other disengagement, etc. just exit.
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BTW, even when this works it's fraught with risks of having a mediocre session.  Best to ignore demands to invest time and travel before knowing whether enough can be brought to the table to make her happy, and ask about the price regardless of what the ad says.  If the response on the phone so much as suggests a whisper of dissatisfaction by asking, go no further.
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Then again, if you have $10,000 to blow, none of this matters.  But funny thing about people so profligate they would waste that sum --- they usually aren't wealthy or don't stay wealthy for long.

Solicitation, in most jurisdictions, it a matter of the offer and not the acceptance or consideration. Granted most LE agencies are going to make an attempt to firm up their case by getting the acceptance (undercover making stating the p4p) and consideration (LE handing provider compensation).  

For example, in the state of Wisconsin, the statue reads,  

"944.30  Prostitution.
(1m) Any person who intentionally does any of the following is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor:
(a) Has or offers to have or requests to have nonmarital sexual intercourse for anything of value.
(b) Commits or offers to commit or requests to commit an act of sexual gratification, in public or in private, involving the sex organ of one person and the mouth or anus of another for anything of value.
(c) Is an inmate of a place of prostitution.
(d) Masturbates a person or offers to masturbate a person or requests to be masturbated by a person for anything of value.
(e) Commits or offers to commit or requests to commit an act of sexual contact for anything of value.
 (2m) If the person under sub. (1m) has not attained the age of 18 years and if the court determines that the best interests of the person are served and society will not be harmed, the court may enter a consent decree under s. 938.32 or a deferred prosecution agreement in accordance with s. 938.245, 971.39, or 971.40."

Under subsections a, b, d, and e, the offer is all that's necessary, which is, according to quite a bit of jurisprudence, met with just positing an ad. So posting rates in an ad or not isn't going to change the reality that as soon as she posted /any/ ad to begin with in a place commonly known for sexual services puts her in breach of the criminal code. So saying it makes a difference and if rates are posted is factually inaccurate-there is zero difference.

As for a knowledge base here... I'm a licensed paralegal, pre-law student, and worked in a non-profit legal services firm and also for the public defenders office, as well as having my very own "scarlet letter."

Further, the rest of your comment is pretty damn insulting to me, and I'm sure many of the other girls here. I'm currently ranked at #82 on The List... the second TA provider to ever make it there, as well as #5 in Chicago. What's the relevance? It's runs completely counter to your stated trash about what providers advertise where. 81% (as of last Tuesday) of my business comes from backpage. I don't have "special rates" because of backpage. Still top shelf pricing. So your insinuation that you can underpay a provider because she's on BP is BS.  

Further, it's also insulting that you try an negotiate. Stop being a cheap douch and pay girls their rates or see girls within your price range. Your negotiation tells us that you do think we're worth what we think we're worth. Gross. Make sure to cross me off your list permenarly👌🏼

i've been eros advertiser for many years & always included rates. most of the time i still get asked for donation amount by eros callers. i don't mind, but refer such callers back to the ad since it has disclaimer language vis-a-vis monies being for my time and not illegal acts (and yes, i understand that such isn't a "get out of jail free card").  i don't include rates in BP listing only because of scarce real estate for number of characters allowed there. i do include link to escort details page on my website that has rates (and that disclaimer language), but majority of BP callers don't click thru and ask me on phone for donation deets. i only mention the BP stuff on this thread about eros ads cuz a while back my BP experiences caused me to toy (and experiment a bit) with a "sliding" rate structure. In the end what I found was that it was (for me at least) more hassle than return of investment on my efforts (e.g., explaining to a caller why I quoted him one rate on a Saturday night versus a Wednesday afternoon).  An additional reason that I scrapped it was because I found myself too often discussing financial stuff on the phone with potential clients, and not the experiential aspect that is my strength (imho) in this biz. Hope I added something worthwhile to this thread. warmest hugs, kacy

Would appreciate perspective of clients on this point.  Is your experience that Backpage girls and Eros girls have about the same going rates, or is my understanding the client's experience.  That generally girls on Backpage charge a little less than girls on Eros.  If not, then maybe i need to adjust some things.

I can tell you about an experience I had one time.  After seeing an add for a provider in a few different sites I decided to see her. I had figured out that the amount I should bring and never mentioned anything about it in communicating with the provider. When I arrived I was asked for 50 less than the posted rate from the other site. I said I thought it was more and I would still give the higher amount. I asked why she did that and she said when she posts ads on bp then guys won't pay the higher rate. I told her that her rates are what they are and if someone doesn't want to pay than maybe they weren't worth your time.

I use to LOVE them back in the day and I would post on their regularly HOWEVER I dont get enough traffic on there to justify the amount they ask for. Its insane.