Things were getting a little slow her so I'll try to stir the pot a bit.  

I posted before that I thought that YMMV applies to Tgirl escorts more frequently and acutely with it does more than GGril escorts.  From reading reviews and personal experience, I see sooo many girls with many great reviews, but a few really bad ones...and vice versa.  I myself have had a shitty time with highly reviewed girls but have also had a blast with girls who get a bad rap.  While GG's aren't 100% predictable, the variation seems much greater.

My sense as to why (in no particular order)

1. Client standards vary highly for tgirls but are more uniform for ggirls.  For example, I've read many great "oral only" reviews on tgirls (including my own) but any ggirl that doesnt give full service will get trashed.

2. Tgirls get alot of shady calls and thus almost start out most sessions with a high degree of suspicion.  Some guys are better at getting past this.  Others don't try or don't care.

3. Many tgirls hate escorting but have to (even more so than gg's).  Hormones and surgery are expensive.  If you combine the high proportion of tgirls that are immigrants and the discrimination tgirls face in the workplace, its really tough to find a good job.  I know alot of GG escorts with decent jobs who escort for spare cash and don't mind it.  Maybe this is less prevalent in the tgirl community?

4. Almost all tgirls are independent whereas the majority of GG's are agency.  I've freelanced and worked for a firm in my profession and I will say I'm a bit more accountable when I've got a boss.

5. (I'll get some heat for this one so consider it "for discussion purposes only).  Ego.  Being a hottie GG is terrific and the source of much attitude.  Being a 100% passable tgirl is about 1000 times tougher and even more reason to be a bit aloof.  It makes it even more amazing that some supermodels like Ruby are so down to earth.

6. (OK, this next one is a reach, but here goes) Power.  Sex and relationships are alot about power struggles.  Gender bending just makes it even more complex.  As "tranny chasers",, us clients start off with girls calling the shots.  Be a wimp with some tgirls and you lose all respect.  Be one with others and they get off.  Be an "in charge" and you'll get the same varied response.

OK, lets keep it civil.  Any thoughts?

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I think that, in general, Tgirls are more complex and elusive than GGs, which lends itself to a greater YMMV dimension.  With GGs, the GFE is usually a prepackaged, one size fits all, type experience.  Not very satisfying, all in all.  

Tgirls, at least in my experience, are more prone to respond in a natural and honest way to someone they connect with.  If they like you, they will respond to you in a very personal and satisfying way.    

On the other side of the ledger, because Tgirls deal in the here and now, some are more prone to the assembly line method of escorting.  They have a low ratio of actual customers to callers, so they keep the phone on and get you off and out as quickly as possible.

interesting.

i think mileage varies because generally the clientele is vary varied. you know, withing the range and standard deviation, those looking for experiences already off of the curve will tend to bring that much more or less to someone (a tgirl) who already has dealt with, explored, and seen an enormous range of human response. So, those two factors I think lead to a situation where mileage can REALLY vary.

yeah. i need to be high to do this better. not that i do that.

Hey, I've got to hand it to the T'gals. I couldn't imagine having to top a guy that in no way is attractive to her. It's easy for the GG's to fake everything, but the T'gals who have a client who wants "full service" can't fake getting Big Willie to spring into action. They are probably already fighting the 'mones, and then some drunk overweight smelly slob shows up at 3:30 in the morning expecting them to perform. I do think however, that during a session that is paid for, the phone should be on voice mail.....Just my two cents......

Although somewhat of a generalization, GG's seem to try harder, either because they want repeat business or they're just wired that way.
  Tgirls are much more particular about weight, looks etc. Look at the reviews of Tgirls and see how many times they won't engage in one activity or other with someone when they did in previous reviews with other clients. You rarely see this with GG's.  

It's about the business.

the competition is NOT the clients, but the other girls, regardless of their configuration.

XX girls compete against other XX girls.  Lots of competition. So their attitude will be better in order to attract clients.

XY girls compete against other XY girls.  A lot fewer to compete against. Thus less attitude adjustment needed.

I think a big reason why YMMV is our expectations.  With GG, the expecation are pretty clear. With a TGirl, the expectations become more cloudy for some.  Imagine a beautiful Tgirl who for 1 appointment is with a confused first timer who needs to go slow, then a couple hours later is with a veteran hobbiest who knows exactly what he wants.  The sessions will be totally different, yet some expect the Tgirl to be perfect for both appointments.  I realize this can happen with GG, but I think the range of expectations with a Tgirl are far greater.

Just my $.02.

I DON'T AGREE!

You place your ad. You define your likes and dislikes. You clearly convey the satisfaction and fullfilled expectations of a visit with you, and all for the very reseasonable price of $$. He phones, pre-screen, and for your saftey and security (And his) make him dance "The phone 2 step".  He arrives and You?????

Take his money, take him, and it's because of YMMV?

PLEASE..................................................

It's a Rip Off. She has the Tgirl "Attitude", then get an adjustment. Tgirls like "Carla from SF, Christy Delight, Mia from SF, India Fox, etc." always get rave reviews, totally deliver as advertised and never receive the YMMV moniker." They shouldn't be the exception,  

"THEY SHOULD BE THE RULE"! I recently turned 50, born in Los Angeles, and saw my first Tgirl at 19....don't defend someones lack of ethics, values, personality flaws, lack of people skills, and ill manners.

Especially to a group of men who not only accept them completely for the girls they have become, but really "Love Them For It."

I wholeheartedly agree that YMMV varies sometimes just b/c tgirls just dont really give it the full effort.  But, even the best girls aren't 100%.

Mia has about 18 reviews on this site.  A dozen reviews are rated 8 or better in performance, but 4 reviews are rated only 3-5.  YMMV varies even with a superstar.  I can personally vouch as I've seen her twice.  Both sessions were terrific but on the second, she was terrible to me on the phone.  It wasnt until she recognized me at the door that things turned around.

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Does it have anything to do with maybe GG's figure they'll be out of it shortly with a small nest-egg and then go back to being pretty 26-year-old girls with any number of guys ready to proudly declare for them?
    Does a TG (I use that abbreviation respectfully cause I love 'em dearly) want a guy to do that for them?
    Does a TG doing some escort work for some income think there's no way a fella would ever be proud to court her so screw it anyway?
    Our friend Star wrote something on this a couple months back I think,  as a matter of fact in answer to my question that asked if a regular mug might be able to have a relationship with a T-Gal he likes.  If I recall she thought most likely no,  because of a 180 degree turn in lifestyle.  But she ended what she had to say with a maybe.  You never know. That's what Star Bright had to say about it.
    Sorry if I left the ymmv subject back there in the dust.
     

                     

I'll say this with no ill intentions, just my opinion.  When looking for opinons, YMMV also. Most of the replies to this YMMV queston focus on the customer being the problem.  I think its the other way around. I think YMMV's because the TG, i.e., a person who outwardly appears to be a man, but has everything on the inside telling them they are a woman must turn them into emotional trainwrecks and next to impossible to be with.  Let's face it, if a TG is born a man, but know they are really supposed to be a woman, they must not always like being with themselves.  Why would would they like being with someone who wants to use their bodies as a target for the WMD and  as the equivilant of sex voodoo doll?   Add hormones to the mix, and possibly drugs, and you you've got yourself quite a handful. On the other hand, since TGs started out as guys and probably still have some guy traits, I never knew a guy who would turn down a bj from any other type of warm blooded, vertabraed mammal.

YMMV is simple physics. GG's just lube up and fake like crazy. TG's have to get hard for a successful session which is very difficult with an unattractive customer who can't perform oral.

10. i'm a selfish, self-centered bitch who knows there is little you can do about it. applies to all (bad) providers, not just TS.

9. i'm just not in the mood today. applies to all providers, at one time or another.
("oh, that's BULLSHIT! you are supposed to be a professional! you should provide a uniformly good experience for all customers! you know, like... mcdonalds, or... motel 6. why, look at me, i work at the meat packing plant and i give 110% to my job, every single day.)

you do, don't you guys? always give 110%, never have an off day?

8. it's hard for me to be aroused by a man who is filthy, smelly, and dirty. (applies to all providers)

7. it's hard for me to be aroused by a man who is physically repulsive to me. (all)

6. it's hard for me to be aroused by a man who is rude, insulting, demanding, or scary. (all)

5. it's hard for me to be aroused by a man who negotiates my fee and tells me i am not worth what i am asking. (all)

4. the "vanilla" things a GG provider can do for you - provide oral sex and intercourse - require little work on her part and are easy for her to fake enjoyment. the "vanilla" things you desire from a TS (greek intercourse, or you provide oral) involve work for her and are difficult or impossible to fake)

3. TS providers have many more demands placed on them than GG providers. (top, bottom, greek, fetish, role play, etc, etc. often the things you'd pay big extra bucks for from a GG you expect as a matter of course from a TS)

2. many TS providers have to work harder to be feminine than GG providers. many take hormones, affecting their emotional state as well as physical. they have the same expenses all good providers have (clothing and lingerie, tanning, waxing, salon, etc, etc, then they have to pay for meds, surgeries, and the like. more $$$ pressure than the GG provider)

and the number one reason why a good TS provider might be more likely to provide a YMMV experience:

1. a penis can't fake passion.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BAD PROVIDER HERE! SHE WHO IS TRYING TO TAKE THE CASH AND DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE CUSTOMER. of course that girl exists and i'm not trying to make excuses for her. that's a big reason why this board exists, for us to warn each other about HER. but i do think that we need to realize, it is harder for a TS girl than a GG. i do believe that, and i apologize to any TS girl out there if i misspoke or said anything offensive in my list/rant.

what you are describing is RIPOFF. BAD providers. that's not the same as YMMV.

YMMV is when you see a provider with excellent reviews and you have a less than excellent time. when the reviews say bbbj but you get a cbj. when she performs the "acts" but you don't feel "loved".

here's an example. i saw mila from SF a while back, just before her surgery. her reviews were uniformly stellar and she was/is just about the most beautiful woman i've ever been with. my session was not good at all. she was pleasant, accomodating, and concerned with my satisfaction, but not passionate or wild. i did not write a bad review because i did not feel that people had to "warned" about her. it was just YMMV. if she took my money and then made little or no effort, i'd write about her everywhere i could.