but, and I also know that this belong in the politics board, but I'm willing to bet that none of you voted for bush. Right?

Now I go back and post silly post in the L.A. board...
bye

Keep your day job. You will never make it as a professional gambler.

That can be a very huge mistake of an opinion. How does my or others`s TS fascination dictate a how a voter votes? For the record, the very 1st person responding to this silly comment (that being myself)DID vote for BUSH. My politics and my personal hobby habits do not mix. Nor do they contradict! Where do these people come from? I dont come here to discuss my voting habits, I come here to discuss HOT TSs!!! Keep the politics to the boards designed for it. Shall we all come to the politic boards and discuss what a great fuck Ednita is? And how hot we think India is? How about we do just that??????

My first comment on the politic board should be, "I bet none of you Kerry voters ever been fucked hard by a sexy TS,have you?????" OR "I bet none of you Bush voters ever sucked a big SHEMALE cock have you?"

I will never understand how anyone could vote for that dunce, particularly when voting for him most likely goes against the very interests of those who elected him. I can see a greedy millionaire voting for him, but just what were the red states thinking ? Would the following thought ever occur to the average Joe such as a farmer or waitress who would vote for that incompetent dunce ? How many in here who voted for Bush would even dare mention at a Republican event that they believe gays should be allowed the same rights as other married partnerships ?

..."Lessee, our country is going down the tubes and straddled in debt which my grandchildren will have to pay off in higher taxes coupled with less services, we have kids dying in Iraq in a war propped up by lies, we're hated even moreso across the globe, I've lost my job and my unemployment insurance is running out, Osama is still on the loose, I have no health insurance, but hey, we stopped those fags from marrying, huh ?!"

There's my two cents.

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FUCKING WELL SAID.

i apologize for the cursing, but that moved me.  In fact I actually yelled the same statement when I was reading and now have to explain to the wife why I'm on this site.  Anyone know a good divorce attorney?
Peace

Hey PiquedinSoCal...you forgot to mention the outsourcing of jobs vs investing in the re-training of our workforce.

Piqued - Flinging words around like dunce and greedy is exactly why the Democrats lose elections. They never tell you what they're going to do.  They just tear into their political opponents fangs first.  Notice I say political opponents and not Republicans.  Because all you need to know about the current Democratic party is the way Al Gore went after Bill Bradley,  his own guy,  in the 2000 Democratic primaries.  Bare-knuckled.  Clearly implied that Sen. Bradley was responsible for racial profiling in New Jersey.  Fuckin Gore.  He goes about the country screaming and puking into microphones.  Launch him,  McAuliffe,  tell Carville and Begalla and Shrum that the only chance in hell the Democratic party has starts by them taking a powder,  and don't run Hillary Clinton.  C'mon.  Joe Lieberman would have made the best president anyway.  Either party.
    Having said that Piqued,  next round's on me.  I got 'em.  Did I mention how enchanted I am by Lilienne?
     
     

Piqued:

Well said. I'm at home chilling watching USC get their ass kicked by Oregon State and trying to explain to my T-sweetie
(who's here at my place watching the game with me) why the ignorance of the Red State People is a threat to us...

What were these people thinking? I'm not saying that Kerry was the greatest thing that ever came down the pike, but how we can elect a certified religious bigot in times like these is beyond me..

Just a thought..

the Aviator..

Hey PiquedinSoCal

I think the only Dunce around here is you!
First of all, America doesn't send children to war.  Our Military is made up of Highly Trained Adults that "volunteer".  You must be getting confused with the Terrorists who strap bombs on their kids and send them into pizza parlors.  That's who our enemy is!!!  I know who you are, you are the typical, "I hate America kind of person".  Hey Pique I bet you think that everything that happens bad in this world is Americas fault.  

You say this country is going down the tubes? Tell that to the people all around the world who live in truely repressive and brutal societies.  You don't know how lucky you have it.  You have so much Freedom you can get on a public forum and talk about all the Transexual Sex you've had without having to worry about some Fascist regime showing up on your doorstep at Mid-Night. I dare you to move to any Country in the Middle East and try being as open as you are on this forum.

For just once try doing something else besides sitting in front of your computor with your pants off reading the Reviews.

That response is exactly why I said leave politics where it belongs.On political boards. I repeat "I VOTED FOR BUSH". DAMN RIGHT I DID. AND GUESS WHAT?? MILLIONS MORE did too. I cannot for the life of me vote for KERRY. I will not sit here and defend myself and every other voter who voted for Bush no more than the ones who should defend thier votes for a Clinton or a Kerry or a Dole or a Reagan. Face it, KERRY LOST. Americans did not buy the man. In the MASSES across the South and the Midwest. Only  the extreme NE, parts of the extreme north (Michigan areas), and the far West did. Look hard! Look real hard at the map. ITS RED!!! F--ing RED!!..  Life isnt about rights to marry and 'fake' reasons for wars.Economies and jobs are more important issues to millions of people. However for your sakes, lets examine!!!!! Issue 1) gays want to marry. Kerry claims to be Catholic, HMMM !!! And the Catholic Church (AND THE POPES,whom Kerry 'supposedly' is to be following???) stance on this subject??? AHH Kerry is on BOTH sides!!!   Issues 2 )Iraq war. Weapons of Mass Destruction )the ol` 'Bush lied' to go to war etc etc arguement). Guess what? KERRY VOTED FOR IT TOO!!! With the SAME DAMNED INFO!!!!! WHAT???? KERRY IS FOR AND AGAINST the war??????  SQUAWWWWWWWWWWWKKK!! KErry cant debate HIMSELF on these subjects!! SHEESHHH!! So where are the weapons OMD???  The weapons are sitting jussstttt fine on the Syrian BORDER. Half a research by a monkey can find that out. So WHY did we take IRAQ ????Iraq was STRATEGICALLY taken to eventually put pressure on IRAN. LOOK HARD at a map. IRAN is now wondering which side to defend. OR BOTH SIDES! Hmm Iraqi side or the Afghani side? OR both?? HMMM!!!  Economy next?? alright!! up n down, nothing definite can be locked on.I see kids playing with their damn toys everyday and the little lardasses arent starving for sure. We feed our kids shit for food by the millions of dollars a day. SOO cant be too bad can it??? Who here is eating dried beans right now??? Thats what I thought. We got money to chase TSs around now dont we?? Thats PLAY money!!!QUIT bitchin about the economy when America cant afford to stuff our fat kids with bigmacs and pizza while they play video games all day, while WEEEEE of this board chase TSs over a hundred dollars a pop.  AHH BUT JOBSS!! Surely Bushie has to be blamed for the AHEMM 'lack' of jobs????  WHATS the rate fellas????  5.4!!! READ it  5.4!!!! Clintons BEST was 5.6 unemployment figure!!! BUT HOW COULD THIS BEEEEEEE!!!! Bush`s unemployment rate of 5.4 is LOWER than the Almighty One`s?? OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!   Its all smoke n mirrors. Repeat the lie long enough and it BECOMES a truth!!! So spill the cliches 1 at a time and watch em fall. Bitterness because your hero Kerry did not win does nothing but leave you bitter. LEave it alone, and  go find a sexy TS to write about. Leave the 'tics where they belong. ON another board.

By the way, I lost 3 jobs during the Clinton Administration, BUT heyyyy  aint HIS fault is it ??????

-- Modified on 11/7/2004 12:41:05 AM

Kerry is a "flip floppin" loser. Never had a solid plan for anything. Always consulting the polls on what stand he should take. I think that is what turned people off.

Bush on the other hand is a "bible thumpin" self righteous/self serving liar and that would go double for that wormy looking VIP of ours called Cheney. Anyone who can't see the Haliburton Iraq connection should have their head examined for extreme ignorance.

After speaking to a number of Kerry and Bush voters, I think it came down to a choice of two evils. Nobody seem to really think Bush is all that great, but they thought he was better than Kerry. Kerry voters seem to have the same logic, they don't like him, but they want Bush out more.

This is a quote from the Log Cabin Republicans.

"We are loyal Republicans. We believe in low taxes, limited government, strong defense, free markets, personal responsibility, and individual liberty. Log Cabin represents an important part of the American family-taxpaying, hard working people who proudly believe in this nation's greatness. We also believe all Americans have the right to liberty, freedom, and equality. Log Cabin stands up against those who preach hatred and intolerance. We stand up for the idea that all Americans deserve to be treated equal-regardless of their sexual orientation."

I am a registered Republican.
I voted for Bush in 2000 and again in 2004 and I voted for Arnold and will do so again. Arnold has made it clear at many Republican events that he is for Gay and Lesbian rights.

I am pro choice.  I am in favor of stem cell research (not the government funding of it.) I am for the legalization of marijuana. I am for the legalization of prostitution. I am for charter schools. I am for the privatization of many government services. I have no problem in saying that I am in favor of same sexed civil unions being recognized legally. I think the concept of marriage should not be something that the government should be involved in one way or another

I do not agree with all that Bush stands for but I didn't find enough to vote for the Democratic Party. Registered California Democrats outnumber registered California Republicans 2 to 1 (67% to 33%) yet the popular vote went 54% to 46%. That means that a whole lot of Democrats voted for that "Dunce."

I am not that emotionally invested in the war. We are there...let's finish it and give the Iraqis a decent chance to govern themselves. Was there bad intelligence leading up to the war?..Yes. Did we find weapons of mass destruction?...No. Were there weapons of mass destruction?...Yes (We sold them to Sadam.)  Did we have to get Sadam out?...Yes (We put him in and he was a bad guy.)

Let's clean up the CIA. Let's come clean with all the crap we have done all over the world. Let us undo many of the wrongs we have created. Let's gain the respect of the world but not at the expense of standing by and watching atrocities around the world. We as human beings must stand up for human rights all over the world.

I believe we can reduce taxes and support social programs and law enforcement. I am emotionally invested in this concept. When the legislature talks about tax cuts they talk about the the services that will be cut if we don't pay more taxes. They never talk about cutting their own expenses. They never talk about cutting out the special interest and pork from the budget. They never talk about the embezzlement and misappropriation of funds from the government. I saw an estimate that 25% of our budget is either misappropriated or stolen. That does not include instances where an institution like the LAUSD choses to go to a seminar in Hawaii instead of San Diego or when they stay at the Bellagio instead of the Ramada. That does not include the Lincoln navigators that a state employee choses over the Ford Taurus. That 25% could fund all the social programs we could desire and this place would be a better place for all.

My suggestion for those who think we need more taxes...start at home. This year when you file your taxes don't take any exemptions. Pay the maximum amount that you can and hope they spend it wisely.

Yes, Bush is more conservative but Kerry wanted to stop those fags from marrying too.  So, to me, coupled with the fact that the consitutional amendment b/s has no chance of ever passing (political stunt by righties), that was a neutral issue.

The thing I like best about Republicans is their stream-of-consciousness post writing.   Seriously, two words for ya: separate paragraphs.

The truth is, both parties are (not very) different sides of the same coin.  They both want big government to be in your lives, they just disagree on what topics.

It's not so much a difference between Democrat & Republican as it is about the Have's and the Have Nots.

Even though it sounds cliche, it really is true that the rich are getting richer and the middle class & poor are getting poorer.  Whether you think this country is in great shape or not largely depends on what side of that fence you fall on.

From a religeous/transsexual aspect, I still find it hard to understand how people that love TG girls can vote for such a religeous republican.  I'm sure 99% of you are in the closet with your attraction to this life so it won't effect you as much as us girls, but still, more important than the gay marriage issue, Bush will have power to change the balance of the Supreme court.  I see this country getting very Puritan in the near future.  And I personally, don't think that's a good thing.

Gays, TG admirers and Hobbyists that voted for Bush... I just don't know.   To me, it would seem like the Jewish people shaking Hitler's hand and saying what a great job he's doing, as they walk voluntarily to the ovens.

BTW, I'm not hating anyone for voting for Bush, I'm just saying I don't understand your point of view.

Peace

Nice try but Bush did the very same thing to McCain during the 2000 primaries.Bush and the Republicans will use ever low life manuever,lie and scare tactic available to sway the public opinion.Kerry was the clear winner in the debates because he showed a more commanding knowledge of the topics but the Republicans went back to diverting attention from the problems to scare tactics saying Kerry would invite attacks and let the terrorist go unpunished.

I never really bought into the flip-flopping stuff all that much,Kerry just made the mistake of not wanting to sound like a traitor when we were still supposedly looking for 9/11 terrorist but the bottom line I voted against Bush rather than for Kerry.Bush wants to hand the country over to his super rich contributors with no one to watch over them and he'll throw a few bones to the right wing religious nuts just to pad the vote.

TS Star

Since when has Bush's views ever stopped the guys who write these reviews from sucking SHEMALE COCK on payday?

Since when has Bush or Clinton's views ever stopped Transexuals from advertising their services of Prostitution?

Life goes on no matter who's in office.  Don't you get it?
There's more to this Country and its security than your sexual preference.


I'll give you a good reason to vote for Bush and that is he's making life VERY MISERABLE for the Muslim Extremists who would love nothing more than to imprison Transexuals and stone all of the Gays...Talk about religous bigots.

How about just once all of you take your Balls out of someones mouth and verbally attack the REAL ENEMY, or are you afraid they'll cut your head off as a sacrice to Ala?

And to all of you who don't get it, don't worry, you can still drop your pants around your ankles and beat off to photos of your favorite Transexual, NO MATTER WHO'S THE PRESIDENT!!!

I can go into a myriad of reasons as to why I think Democrats have been on the losing end of elections recently, but vitriol and namecalling are not either of them.

Have you ever listened to talk radio ? Fair and even handed ? Ha! Their raison d'etre is to tear into anything Democratic or Liberal anyway they can. Bill and Hilary Clinton are still the bane of all evil, and this is aimed at the most rightwing Democrat to ever occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. I wonder what they would have said if he actually had governed as a Liberal.

I find it absolutely hilarious listening to the Right smeer us on the Left for hating the Dunce, but conveniently overlook how meanspirited they were to Bill Clinton and Democrats any time the opportunity arose during the 90s and beyond to today. Remember all the time, effort, and money by the likes of the Richard Mellon Schaifs of the world to try to impeach him ? What fucken hypocrites!

You took your shit straight off the O'Reilly Factor. I don't argue with minions who watch those shows and can't see the forest for the trees.


And, yeah, learn to write (See TS Star or wantats posts for influence) first, and then get back to me. I don't have the time to attempt to make sense of your drivel of a post. Did you get past the seventh grade incidently ?



... Lost three jobs, huh ? No comment.

There's a lot I left out, TrueGent.

I'm old enough to remember when this country had no homeless problem to speak of. It wasn't that long ago that our streets were free of homelessness and skidrow bums, but just two terms of another dunce (Reagan [Who I voted for the first time around]), and poof, overnight -- OVERNIGHT -- we become a country where homelessness became the norm for hundreds of thousands of Americans thanks to Reagan's cuts to HUD. It use to be front page news, and now where does one even find it reported ? This is what scares me about this administration, combined with a Republican Senate, and a Republican House. If two terms of Reagan's policies brought us the largest deficits, and therefore part of the current national debt, and also the Reagan legacy of homelessness, I shutter to think what a more incompetent administration such as this one will saddle our kid's future with. It's a scary thought, isn't it ?

Thanks for reminding me, though.

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wantats:

* You voted for Arnold knowing he, or anyone for that matter, could not deliver on his pie-in-the-sky promises? There was no way he was going to “straighten out the books” because he had so little to wiggle with. About 80 percent of spending is there via initiative or federal mandates, giving him less than 20 percent to tinker with here and there. There was little that he could do but borrow from the future. Wow, how “creative”.Like Dunce, Arnold is a cardboard cutout political figure with all the strings being pulled by Conservative operatives behind the curtain. He’s no panacea for this state’s ills, but in this culture of celebrity, who cares, right ? I would never, ever, vote for someone with no political experience to run the mayorship of a small town, let alone the world’s sixth largest economy. No way, be they Republican or Democrat.

* Bad intelligence ? Is that how you’re gonna allow dunce off the hook ? The buck stops at the president’s desk, and it is up to him to vet whatever intelligence he has to the best of his ability before sending boys off to fight in a war. There were numerous red flags warning him not to move ahead with the attack, but he decided to pursue it anyway. We are there, but the thing is that WE SHOULDN’T BE THERE. Along with all the people that have died, Dunce has alienated our once strong allies, turned Iraq into a terrorist magnet, and turned this country into a place for the world to loath. Nice work there by dunce, huh ?

* Where have you been ? What have you been reading ? We have stood by many atrocities since the end of WWII. At times creating or contributing to them by proxy. Chile, East Timor, Panama, Iran, Guatamala, Nicaragua …Yes, it would be great if we could undo the wrongs we created or helped create. When are we going to commence ?

* We’re one of the least taxed industrialized countries – the least. I would gladly – GLADLY -- pay more in taxes if it meant getting my fellow Americans off the street, and providing others with badly needed health care. How's that for patriotism ? I don't know how you can go after a teacher's union, but allow mega corporations such as Halliburton or Bechtel off the hook ? We spend billions -- BILLIONS -- on unnecessary weapons systems and a teacher's union upsets you ? Do you know how many teachers just one billion dollars could train ?

Eggman09,

(Instead of addressing my political philosophy, or more specifically, address my posting point by point, you’ve decided to come after me personally, so I’ll dumb down to your level so you can understand and reciprocate in kind)

What kind of pathos is at work in that disturbed little mind of yours to project the “I hate America label” to anyone who disagrees with you, and then follow through with this conveniently contrived projection to castigate him for it ? Are you simply another minion of the Limbaughs and O’Reillys of the world citing verse, or is that direct-line warped thought process of your own demented making ? What kind of idiot takes my “kids” remark to literally refer to actual children, and not the 18 to 25 year old American kids (yes, I consider a 25 year old a “kid”) returning home in flag draped coffins or without limbs? Speaking of those highly trained kids, you want to explain where the morality of your fearless morally driven dunce of a leader fits in the most powerful country on the planet launching an illegal, ill advised, pre-emptive war on a third world country which had no meaningful connection to 9/11? Where is the morality of sending kids to die or get maimed in ill equipped equipment ? Where is the morality in extending their tours, or cutting their benefits once home?  I would posit that many of these kids are there in Iraq out of default. Where else can they learn any skills or technical training today but the military? With cuts to job training programs, certainly not at Burger King or Walmart, their only other choices if college wasn’t in the cards for one reason or another. The day I see wealthy Republicans such as Bill O’Reilly or Dubya the dunce send their progeny to fight alongside kids from the working poor in some dubious endeavor, I’ll temper my criticism. Until then, those self-righteous, sanctimonious “moralistic” cowards are fair game.

No, not everything that happens in this world is our country’s fault, but I dare say we, this country, has a duty and obligation to fix the things WE HAVE FUCKED UP or can control. Let’s take Iraq for argument’s sake. Did we, or did we not arm, partially fund, and train Saddam’s war effort against Iran ? I don’t seem to recall any criticism from your camp hollering about the torture chambers or mass graves then, even though they existed then at the time. This was the same evil despot that held at least two lovefests with Donald Rumsfeld in the 1980s, and later met with a Republican led contingent of Senator luminaries – right after he gassed the Kurds mind you. Clowns like you love to climb your moralistic soapbox and clamor about spreading freedom and liberty to every corner of the globe, but conveniently ignore your own government’s nefarious machinations when it props up dictators that suppress the very people you purportly are now out to save. What a load of fucking crap. Imagine being an Iraqi citizen today. They witness the United States government support their tyrant regardless of the depths of his repressive nature and crimes against humanity. Then after informing them we would not get involved in their border issues with Kuwait, we have a change of heart, issue Saddam ultimatums to leave Kuwait, avoid  any negotiating with this tyrant we once found easy to negotiate with, and then rush to war with the aid of an arm twisted coalition killing 250,000 Iraqis. Immediately following that, we prod the UN to put Iraq on sanctions denying the country badly needed medicine and hospital equipment. The cost of this lovely “humanitarian” embargo? Fifty to 100,000 Iraqis dead depending on one’s source, mostly infants and elderly. The toll so far for this latest attack ? Try over 1100 Americans killed,with some 5000 maimed. On the Iraqi side, one recent study has it at 100,000 Iraqis dead. …It’s no wonder that they want us out of their country. WE’VE FUCKED THEM OVER TIME AND TIME AGAIN!

Dubya a dunce ? You betcha! Didn’t you see any of the three debates ? The dunce would lose to a debate to a marionette. Is it any wonder he’s only had 16 press conferences since he took office four years ago. Gee, I wonder why ? Want to take a guess how many Clinton had at this point of his administration ? Is it really a reach to presume he isn’t going to improve in cabinet meetings or any other matters of substance ? Only a dunce would ignore his military brass and own CIA warnings and instead listen to the chickenhawk neocons in his circle and squander this country’s garner of world sympathy via 9/11 to launch an illegal pointless war against a country which had done nothing to us.Only a dunce would give tax breaks to favor the wealthy in a time of war, all in the shadow of this country’s ever increasing debt.

I would argue that I am more of an American patriot than your little peabrain could ever possibly contemplate. I for one want those American service personel back home with their loved ones, and not risking their young lives on some trumped up excuse of a war by some moron who went awol when it was his turn to go fight in the jungles of Vietnam. I want my fellow Americans off the street and sleeping on a warm bed instead of living in cardboard shacks just as they were before Ronald Reagan took office. I want my fellow Americans to have health care just as every other industrialized country offers their citizens. What, we're not good enough ? You know nothing about me so lay off with your little patronizing rant, huh ?! I can tell by your writing and tone that you simply aren't worthy of a discussion -- any discussion -- with me. You're a little loser who wraps himself around the flag only when it's convenient,or you want to prop yourself up. Wow, I'm really impressed you little piece of shit!

...So let me see if I understand this ? I have the freedom to talk about anything I'd like in this country except what you -- YOU, you ignorant twit! -- deems is unacceptable ?

Thanks for the entertaining post.

I hope you didn't get into any trouble there, Catfish ? Had I known you were on at the time ???


...Yep, the ignorant and scared are always the easiest to manipulate. Sad, is it not ?

Things would never get done if politicians didn't flip-flop now and then in the halls of the Senate or House. Republicans are just better of demonizing their opponents with bumpersticker bites. Remember "Tax and Spend Liberals" ? Well, don't all politicians tax and spend ?

By the way, what would one call a politician whose changed his denomination three times as Dubya the Dunce has ? That's not flip-flopping ?

...I personally think the Dems have got to set aside the high road for a while by getting nasty and going for the jugular as the Republicans do. Instead of appearing on shows such as the O'Reilly Factor accepting shots with a smile, they should fire back with the same tone and nastiness. It can't hurt. Taking the laudable high road hasn't work so far with these bullies, has it ?

Piqued, all you are capable of is insults. I have yet to see a credible fact in anything you say. WRITE FIRST?????  What a typical idiotic comment. Perhaps you cannot read maybe? Public education product ? If you care to make fun of typos, then fine. But saying someone cannot write? Hmm first of all, this is a forum not a term paper. Perhaps you cannot COMPREHEND above a certain level? Eh Jethro ? Oxford scholar indeed!!! I think we shall call you little Johnny Piqued, in honor of all the Little Johnny jokes told by kids.

Now let us look into your comments. Ahh the OReilly Factor. Sorry SON! I dont watch the OReilly Factor. Assume too quickly there no didnt ya??? GEEE I sure hope little Johnny Piqued can read so far,someone stand over his shoulder and help poor little Johnny read properly.) Oh by the way little Johnny Piqued, the little yellow school bus you ride, will be late today picking you up for school. But since it is SPECIAL EDUCATION you attend, it will be just fine. Couple hours of coloring and drawing.

And to get personal about the 3 jobs! Ok let us look at each one !!  
Job loss #1 Little Rock Printing. IRS shut the doors on the owner. Hmm, must be MY IGNORANCE huh??? By the way on another note.Unrelated to Little Johnny`s lack of understanding.LR Printing was at 2207 Cantrell in LR,Arkansas. The same address came up again later when Larry Nichols exposed that Whitewater paperwork was being shredded at that time. IRS? Whitewater? Nahhh, too close a coincidence.

Job loss #2 and #3 were both victims of COMPAQ not paying their bills in Houston Texas. #3 company went out of business. #2 was bought quite cheap by some group called MailWell.

You all please check my writing and spelling to make sure I am writing properly, little Johnny Piqued here gets lost easy on "big wurds".

The reason you cannot make sense of what resembles drivel is because of so many letters in front of you. Make it all 2 sentences and your 'special ed' mind might comprehend. OMG another big wurd. Someone can tell him what comprehend means later because I don't have the time to attempt to TEACH a village idiot how to function.

A small list of 'big wurds' for little Johnny Piqued to take home and 'lurn'. There will be a test later.

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"To  me, it would seem like the Jewish people shaking Hitler's hand and saying what a great job he's doing, as they walk voluntarily to the ovens."

I find this statement to be extremely insulting,TS Star. Do you know how many of my people were sent to death in Hitlers regime? Do you? Depending on where you read, the numbers usually quote around 6 million Jews. 6 MILLION!!!  How dare you compare not being given a right to marry the same sex to the millions of my people who died needlessly at the hands of such a monster.

How many gays,lesbians,and transexuals has Bush sent to death? HOW MANY?  NOT ONE!!  Ironically you can leave a message here and not worry about the Republicans bashing your door down.  But in Europe my people lived scared for their own lives as wella s their childrens lives because they were Jewish.

With all due respects to whatever causes you hold dear to your heart,never compare that cause to the atrocities that Hitler performed on my brethren. I find that comment sickening and insulting of the highest degree.

Insult my grammar or typing all you wish but do not ever compare a gay cause to the atrocities the Jewish people had to endure under Naziism. It is comments like that which are typical from the Democratic side.You compare your new little monster Bush to a Hitler or a Stalin. I said this at the beginning, politics has no business on the Transexual Discussion board. When gays face a true Holocaust and face annihilation, come talk to me. Until then do not ever speak of your problems in such a manner. It is the worst insult to those who have suffered such evil injustices.

You remember when homelessness wasn't a problem?
What a load of history revisionary crap.

Go ahead and blame everything on Reagan.

If life is so bad for PiquedinSoCal, how can you afford several hundred dollars an hour to look at shemale cock?

If you're really concerned about the homeless, why don't you give your money to them rather than to providers?  Or is the homeless someone elses problem?

There's nothing more sickening than hearing someone who has it so good, complaining about how bad things are.

I am sorry if you found that analogy offencive.  But please don't think I slighted the Jewish people by saying that.  Yes I DO know how many were put to death and I was not trying to be flippant with that statement.  I was NOT comparing Bush to Hitler or Stalin, I was instead comparing one group of victims to another.  I have found many, many Jewish people very supportive and accepting of transgender issues and causes.

Why do we still leave the concentration camps still standing?  It is BECAUSE we need to see them to think about such things, to talk about it, to remind us, to make sure that the world doesn't get to that point of maddness ever again.  By forgetting and never mentioning the holocaust is the WORST thing we, as humans, could ever do.

How many gays and transgendered people has Bush put to death?  Not one.  And I don't ever want it to get that bad.  But don't forget that the president can set the tone for the nation.  He CAN create a climate of intollerance than can lead to hate, bigotry... and possibly death.

I was only trying to point out the situation of a group of oppressed people WILLINGLY helping those that would oppress them.  You can disagree with my thoughs, but don't make me out to be a hater of Jewish people, beacuse I'm not.

Peace

Oh.... and BTW, I'm not a Democrat, either.

What you need to learn is that your harsh political philosophy attacks a lot of people.

Also, how about a little consistancy with your arguement.

If you consider a 25 year old a kid, wouldn't a 25 year old Transexual your sleeping with also be a kid?

I agree with Sylynce, that's a totally inappropriet comparison.

Also Star, America is not a,"have and have not society"

Only in America can a Guy have breast implants, dress up like a girl and charge several hundred dollars an hour to another guy who makes $10.00 an hour.  I call that the LAND OF OPPORTUNITY.  Your a solution, your part of the problem.

If you have so much compassion, then why don't you and all of the other providers lower your rates so the working man doesn't have to spend a weeks salary for an hour of your time?

And out of all the cash that you recieve from your customers, I bet you put little to zero back into the system by way of taxes.

Your the last one who should stirring up class envy.

Piqued,

I am glad to hear your inspired voice on the board. Although I may not agree with your opinions I love and encourage the debate. I am hoping that we can go back to important discussions about who's the best top in LA but this is a nice distraction.

I did vote for Arnold and will do it again. I am for smaller government and less taxes. I think the biggest problem is the political machinery. I would always welcome an outsider as opposed to a lifetime politician. I knew that he wouldn't be able to straighten out the books and I do realize that there is only so much he would have control over. But even 10% would be billions. I was hoping that he could make a dent in the political machinery and get rid of some of the entitlements that bog down our budget. Unfortunately the counties and local municipalities have gotten used to these monies and will fight to keep them.

Do we have to pay the California milk producers to export milk out of the state thereby keeping milk prices high in CA? Most of all I wanted him to cut out the frivolous waste in the government. A CA congressman paid $40,000 to have a picture taken of himself and a famous athlete and wrote it off as decorating expense. The state of California decided that the big SUV's were too expensive to insure so they paid employees to get smaller cars. The LAUSD board travel expenses for 2002 was $9 million. I think teachers are under paid. When you figure that out the state allowance of $6,500 for each student was reduced by $722 (11%) per student for the board members to travel. I think that is criminal and we should get rid of the administrators and board members and give the money to the teachers. We should make teaching a job that is worth having and not for something to settle for when all else fails.

I say that if the schools can't educate our children replace them with "for profit" schools. Did you know that a school with 1000 students have an annual budget of $6.5 million dollars? If you had 50 teachers (20 students each) and paid them $75,000/yr (which they don't get now) you would have $3.75 million, each year, to cover overhead. They don't pay taxes or rent and they certainly aren't paying the teachers and can't buy supplies for the kids. Where is the money going?

So yes I would welcome a newcomer to the system for no other reason than the time it takes for them to learn how to rip us off.

When they say we need more money I say show me you are wisely spending what we already give you before you ask me for more. I saw a 20/20 report from John Stossel where he showed that in most instances where they tried privatizing government services they were able to do it more efficiently and more cost effectively. Ernst and Young, a private accounting firm, looked at the Federal books and said they could not work with them because the books were in such shambles. Now there are only two reasons that books are disorganized: 1) They are incompetent, 2) They are stealing. The Dept. of Education was missing $100 million. HUD had a car on the books valued at $1.7 million as an asset.

Don't get me started on the Pentagon. That is the biggest conglomerate of crooks we have in our government. There are so many slush funds there that I can't believe they don't rename it the USS Pentagon. I am sure that we could have equipped our soldiers adequately if someone wasn't siphoning off funds to some clandestine project.

Bad intelligence. Yes, I do accept that as an answer but not an excuse. The only thing I am intolerant about is that more heads didn't roll. If I screw up and lose my company money I expect to get fired. I want more accountability for incompetence.

I agree there are many atrocities all over the world and unfortunately we chose only the ones that suit our needs. I think that the world has to look at basic human rights and unilaterally takes steps to bring them into the fold. There is no excuse for the world to stand by and be observers to genocide or slavery.

There are always going to be the homeless. Just like there are always going to be people on welfare. I think that it is patriotic to want to get the homeless off the street (you must be pretty old to have seen the days when there were no homeless) and provide health care to everyone but I don't think that throwing more money on a corrupt and incompetent system is the answer.

I have no problem with go after the hypocrite Republicans with their holier-than-thou attitude and ripping their throats out.As far as tax and spend liberals go the Republican version is to deficit spend money they don't have and after they are voted out of office they blame the Democrats for the rotten shape the country is in because we  have nothing left for useful programs since everything is being spent on the debt they created.In the first Bush term his deficit spending was above $2.5 TRILLION dollars that we will spend generations trying to pay off.He promises to cut that deficit in half in the 2nd term,not get rid of the original deficit just spend half as much that we don't have in the 2nd,but he has given no plan as to how he would be able to accomplish this.The best economic minds have all agreed that there is no way of accomplishing this task with the tax break giveaways to the rich that are currently in place.

Unfortunately, in the death camps, there were Jews, who cooperated with the Nazis.  They were called Kapos.  Would it be ok to compare you guys, who like transsexuals, but who would vote for a party that wants to pass a constitutional amendment to guarantee you are forever part of an underclass, and subject to discrimination and prejudice, with those traitorous Jews?  

do you really think that the Holocaust started with the death camps?  no, it started with a few laws here, a few laws there, all against a minority, mainly to the benefit of the rich and powerful.

I think Star's analogy is right on the money.  and what is really wrong is for someone who voted out of fear or greed to try to now paint themselves as a Holocaust victim.  my guess is that you have a Rolex on your wrist, not an ID tatoo.

Felicia

Thank you, Felicia.    You are totally correct about how it all started before the death camps.  And another thing let's not forget: Jews weren't the only ones in those camps.  Let's not forget the gays, Gypsies and all other "undesirables" that lost their lives.

If it's alright with everyone else, I'd rather speak up now and fight for my rights and NOT wait until I am forced to wear a pink triangle.

Eggman,

America may not YET be completely a "have and have not" society, but I beleive that's where we are heading if we stay the course we are on.  

And also, where did I attack anyone personally?  And yet you seem to believe it's OK to do that to me?

I am sad to say that once a politician get elected they need to get re-elected to stay a politician. George did what he had to do in order to get elected and unfortunately he took sides with the religious right.
I did not agree with the scare tactics that both sides used to "get out the vote." Both sides made ridiculous claims and brought in scarey analogies to scare people to the polls.
The strategy has always been to divide and conquer. Get us to fight among ourselves and we forget that we have a common enemy. That is the special interests that control our government. To have a government of the people we have to be a people not angry mobs that fight amongst ourselves.

I signed up yesterday for this website to research transexuals that I want to date. For the most part it has been helpful.Then I find this garbage thread. One poster says this thread has no business on the transexual section. He is correct. The bickering and personal attacks start flying.

PiquedinSoCal attacks Sylynce on a personal note about speaking drivel and lack of intelligence. I read the same posts and had no problems reading the material. I also see that Sylynce has an indepth vocabulary. So his intelligence must be higher than his attacker wants to believe.

Piqued addresses Egghead not to make it personal a few posts later. What does this say about his own character? Go back up a few paragraphs and we find TS Star comparing Bush voters to Jews being killed in Nazi camps. A disturbing statement that should never have been said. She does apologize however. She does show character for admitting her mistake.

Then a new poster comes in and says the comparison is acceptable. Again this is disturbing. Sickening,unmoral and downright evil. To this day we as Americans can be who we choose to be. Be it gay,straight,or bi. Catholic,Buddhist,Jewish, or Christian. But the day has not come that our government drags off the citizenry based on their beliefs and practices. We still have our choices. With this said and what I wished to learn from this website I must choose to denounce my short membership. I have learned people like PiquedinSoCal have yet to accept there are opinions besides his own. I have learned people like TS Star and Felecia Katt believe their transexualism is on the same par as Jews and other groups being detroyed in Nazi Germany. That is the farthest from the truth.

I have not learned anything about how to meet a nice young lady transexual. Until the day comes on TER for obvious liberals to tolerate they do not hold a monopoloy on opinions, I shall not be a member of this website. And one comment to The Answer. Do you have the ability to address these people on their personal attacks?

Sylynce, I tip my hat to you. I could not have tolerated the bigotry near as long as you have. Yourself being Jewish I assume you are used to bigots and racists like PiquedinSoCal, Ts Star, and Felecia Katt. Shalom to you, Shalom

ConanThePizzaGuy reporting in sir.The MeatLovers has been delievered.

Conan,

Please read ALL my posts *carefully* before you attack me on a personal level.  (Which I have not done first to ANYONE).

I did not apologize for saying what I said, and I do not apologize now.  I apolgized if anyone felt offended.  While some may disagree with my analogy, I felt it was exactly how I was seeing things from my perspective.  

Also, I did not compare all bush voters to killing Jews in nazi Germany.  You are either unable to grasp what I said, or you are misstating the facts to stir things up.  That kind of hyperbole is cheap and easy.  And calling me a racist???  Oh please.... you can do better than that.  

I am not like people that think all Bush voters are evil. I am not a foaming at the mouth liberal.  You are here for one day and you feel you know me well enough to judge me?  

Don't worry, my horny little friend. If you choose to stay, this was just a little detour.  You can now get on to your life's more important questions like asking "Who's the biggest?", "How much is she?" and "Is she GFE?".  We've never heard those questions on here before.

wow, what an example of verbal judo!  you know about Judo, right?  its where you try to use your opponents strength against them?  well, you must have a black belt to make those two posters into victims.  as I read it, they think Star should be content that she can make some money a transexual escort, and ignore that she has less civil rights that others in this country.  Married people enjoy literally hundreds of additonal rights in this country that are withheld from her. To preserve the sacred institution of marriage?  yes, the way that Britney Spears, Nikki Hilton, Shannon Doherty or Newt Gingrich or Rush Limbaugh have kept it sacrosanct?  Give me (and her)a break.

Star didn't compare Bush voters to Holocaust victims.  she rightly drew the analogy that if you are a tranny lover, and a Bush voter, you are voting against your own intimate interests.  

"To this day we as Americans can be who we choose to be. Be it gay,straight,or bi. Catholic,Buddhist,Jewish, or Christian"

well, ignoring the fact that being gay isn't a matter of choice, in 11 states now, its really against the law to be homosexual, to one degree or another. thats what it boils down to.  Do you really think that the religious right plans to stop there?  One town in the bible belt passed a law last year which made being gay  illegal.  You don't think that other similar laws aren't in the works?  this was a historical election and anyone who is involved in this lifestyle should have stood up against Bush.  Now its too late.  and if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

for the record.  the unemployment rate under Clinton's leadership was 4 per cent in January 2000 and under 5 percent for 31 months before that.  The employment record of his administration was the best in decades, and it was across the board.  women, minorities, everyone enjoyed record employment levels.  Real wages were up too, nearly 7 per cent.  over 2 million jobs were created.

Bush is the only president to preside during a period of overall job losses since Hoover. His already high unemployment rate is artificially lower because an estimated 2 million people have given up and left the job market.  if they were counted, the rate would be 6.6.  and real wages for those who are working are significantly down.

Felicia

Hey Folks:

Please take this to the politics board. I would like to discuss with Star and Felicia the merits and fine points of T-Girl aviation.....

I voted for Kerry because my two lovers are a) a gorgeous African-American GG and b) An equally gorgeous TS who has helped me cope with some unresolved relationship issues with (a). I love them both DEARLY and therefore could not in good conscience vote for the Red State bigotry and hatred that is directed at both groups.

Let's keep this place clean and full of love and admiration for the wonderful TS ladies in our lives....

The Aviator

Aviator

I respectfully take issue with your statements.

It's not cool to stereo-type people and then expect everybody to be at peace and relate to you.

African-American, Gays, minorities of all types don't always see things the way the Democrats do.  They are allowed to have differing political perspectives.  

Can't you see that when you stereo-type the red states as being bigots, your throwing a lot of good men and women under the bus.
Those types of insults are what stirs it all up.

I don't know any Republicans that are bigots.  In the circles I'm in everybody is too busy trying to live the American Dream to care about other peoples sexual preference or their race.

We don't live in the 1950's anymore.  It's a new Millinium.  Lots of things have changed.  Here in Arizona our Govornor is a Lesbian.  In fact, a few years ago every top executive in our state were women.  One of our US congressman in southern Arizona is a Gay Republican.  Some of the top Conservitive syndicated columnists in the Country are African-American.

Stereo-typing will only set your cause behind.

from People for the American Way

"ARIZONA Repeated political attacks led Janet Napolitano, the Democratic candidate for Arizona governor, publicly to squelch rumors about her sexual orientation. “I’m neither gay nor do I have a gay agenda,” Napolitano announced. “I do believe in human rights and in tolerance.” Signs that read “Vote Gay” were planted next to Napolitano’s campaign signs. [Similar signage also appeared near signs for openly gay state Rep. Steve May. May lost his Republican primary bid to lead a newly drawn district by a mere 58 votes.] As many as 100,000 households received a pre-recorded message from a mother who claimed that Napolitano’s policies as state Attorney General had blocked her bid to reclaim custody of her child from a gay couple. The phone message complained that Napolitano should not “push her gay rights agenda on innocent people, especially children.” Napolitano was the sole Arizona gubernatorial candidate who supported current Arizona law permitting gay men and lesbians to adopt children."

as for Rep. Kolbe, good for him.  but read what some of his fellow Republicans sought to do, when he dared to speak at the 2000 convention

http://www.sodomylaws.org/usa/wackos/wacko004.htm

they wanted him arrested for violating Arizona's sodomy laws.

so much for Arizona and Republican tolerance

Right ON Felicia!!

Read my post just a bit up the board and you will see why I voted why I did.

The same "tolerance" White Republicans are showing to gay, lesbian and transgendered people they used to show to African Americans, Hispanics, Jews, etc.

I live in the 949. I was at the Balboa Bay Club at dinner with a business associate accompanied by my T-sweetie when a friend of his came over to our table and of all things started talking about "queers" and "fruits" and how their agenda was taking over our society. We just sat there stunned ..... but he continued on about (N-word in the plural), "wetbacks" and how we were being overrun with immigrants who didn't speak English, etc etc. The guy was "three sheets to the wind" drunk, leered at my date muttering something about "nice tits" and moved on...

My business associate apologized to us for his buddy's behavior
and we finished dinner shaken and upset. Why? This guy is WELL KNOWN publicly.  He's a big-time "mover and shaker" in the OC
and a well=known Republican Party contributor... sorry, but
if that's what Red State stands for count me and those I love OUT..

The Aviator

But does he live in Arizona?  LOL...

is dividing us. You are doing exactly what you accuse the others of doing. You can judge a group by the extreme and make it a "we against they" or you can look at the person and make your own opinion of them. If you look at the moderates from both sides you will see that we are not that far apart. You look at anonymous words on a computer screen and you see the devil incarnate on the other side. You look at the people and you will see people just like yourself. It's okay we disagree on some things. If you look for differences you will find them. If you look for similarities you will find them too. You will see another trying to find a refuge from the madness that this modern age creates.

My challenge to anyone who wants to keep this debate going: Let's meet face to face before we call anyone names. I have stated my views. If you can get past the "Republican" label that you throw on me you will find that our views aren't that different. I don't allow Republican theory to determine my philosophies. I am a Republican because more of my ideas tend to line up with the Republican platform. Do I think that because I am a Republican I have to swallow the whole package? Of course not. Just the same as I don't think that all Democrats are "Vegans." We are all people who have beliefs that have developed from our life experiences. Certainly there are alot of ignorant people out there that can't get an original idea and have to take what they are told to be the truth. Most of us are intelligent and we believe what we believe because of who we are. There is no right or wrong here. If any of us thinks we know the truth then we are truly ignorant.

I have met alot of people from this board and some look like I imagined they would. Others look quite different. Very few look like Democrats and Republicans. I think if we see each other as people we would see that I am like you and you are like me. So if anybody wants to take me up on my offer I will buy dinner. I like sushi but will take suggestions. If you can't PM me I set up a yahoo mail account so that I can give out my personal email to those I chose. [email protected]

Waiting to hear from you all.

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