And I have not had any problems putting that on my profile. Or may be I don't know it as many would. It have contacted me.  

Posted By: sid.in.city

Hello Everyone,  
   
 I have been following this board for a while and it has given me tons of useful information. Thank you all for sharing your experiences (especially GoGambler, your stories are an inspiration). Apologies in advance for the long post.  
   
 I tried SA few months back, couldn't get anything out of it as I was busy and wasn't seeing much response for my messages.  
   
 After reading all the posts, decided to give it a second shot and had my first success. This girl from a country in South America messages me saying that she will be visiting NYC in December. I immediately thought of it as a scam but decided to play along and asked her to message me when she is actually in the city. She did reach out to me and set up an in person meeting at a bar. Her English was broken but passable, decided to go to a Jazz lounge and things got hot and heavy in Uber and took her to my apartment instead. She was an absolutely amazing kisser, the best I have had in my life. Had great sex. She didn't bring up the topic of money and left at midnight because she had an early appointment meeting for her art project. Met me the next day, took her to a Broadway show, finishing with meal, sex and a sleep over. Finally, the next day morning, she brings up the topic of money saying 'could you help me with some money?' I ask her how much and she says whatever you think is right. I give her 400$ and she was ecstatic. She was very open and friendly, she showed me her passport without hesitation when I asked to see it. She has a proper FB and Instagram account which is public.  
   
 Encouraged with this success, set up a meeting with a Korean girl (22) who lives in Queens. Asked her to meet me at Four Seasons in Midtown. She dressed up really well and we had a great chat. Took her to a great dessert bar because she told me she loves sweet. Discussion turned to pot and she told me that she likes to get high and always carries it with her. I take her back to my apartment, we get high and make out. She didn't want to do BBBJ which turned me off big time so decided to call it a night and she went home. She did not raise the topic of money at all. I do plan to see her again and see if I can change her mind. She told me that she has met weirdos from the site and she really appreciates that I treated her so nice (four seasons, high end dessert bar). It was the first time someone treated her this way.  
   
 Since then, it has been back to the square one. Not able to get responses or they ghost after first message. I am seeing 2/10 as the success rate for messages. Is that common?  
   
 Also, I hardly get any inbound message. To be clear, my profile is empty and I have a one public pic and one private pic. I specify 'Other' as my ethnicity. I was thinking that specifying East Indian may be a turn off for some ladies. We, Indian men, have shitty reputation with ladies.  
   
 And what's up with all these profiles for NYC girls? They all want a tall handsome sugar daddy. If I was a tall, handsome dude with cash, I wouldn't be on this site. Is it only me OR one hates those profiles where they say 'treat me like a princess that I am' or 'I want you to spoil me'.  
   
 I am also not sure what's the current PPM rate in NYC Is like. Is it 300, 400 or 500? What's more common?  
   
 Is it me OR the SA website and especially the app sucks big time? They are both so slow. I wish OkCupid team will re-do their website and app.  
   
 Another question, is it worth filling out a profile? Is it worth getting background verified?  
   
 What kind of opening message do you write? I generally write 'How is it going' as there is not much in most girls' profile to write anything interesting.  
   
 Finally, I would love to do a meet up of 'sugar daddies' in NYC. Any interest?  
   
 Thank you for reading, looking forward to your responses.  
   
 

-- Modified on 12/28/2016 12:16:24 AM

SA definitely takes a lot of time and there is a learning curve but I would definitely keep trying. You should add info to your profile. You have to experiment with various opening messages but should be more imaginative than just saying hello. I am still learning how to improve the efficiency of SA. I have tried listing the amount I am willing to pay per meet (stating that I am open to allowance but prefer to start by paying per date allowance of $400-$600 per meet) and have found that to substantially increase my response rate and meet ups. Most will then ask for $500 per meet. Though, I have met a number of sbs with this direct way of messaging, it still takes a lot of time to find the quality, unicorns. This direct way of messaging may or may not be the best way to do it but it helps. I am still experimenting. Though, I have found one great unicorn sb this way. Though SA can be time consuming, just finding one unicorn is worth the effort. It took me two months on SA in the spring to find her. However, even with unicorns, eventually the novelty wears off and one has to look again for another unicorn. I am now trying again on SA. It is definitely helpful to read all the tips on this site and to message other sds for tips.  

Posted By: sid.in.city

Hello Everyone,  
   
 I have been following this board for a while and it has given me tons of useful information. Thank you all for sharing your experiences (especially GoGambler, your stories are an inspiration). Apologies in advance for the long post.  
   
 I tried SA few months back, couldn't get anything out of it as I was busy and wasn't seeing much response for my messages.  
   
 After reading all the posts, decided to give it a second shot and had my first success. This girl from a country in South America messages me saying that she will be visiting NYC in December. I immediately thought of it as a scam but decided to play along and asked her to message me when she is actually in the city. She did reach out to me and set up an in person meeting at a bar. Her English was broken but passable, decided to go to a Jazz lounge and things got hot and heavy in Uber and took her to my apartment instead. She was an absolutely amazing kisser, the best I have had in my life. Had great sex. She didn't bring up the topic of money and left at midnight because she had an early appointment meeting for her art project. Met me the next day, took her to a Broadway show, finishing with meal, sex and a sleep over. Finally, the next day morning, she brings up the topic of money saying 'could you help me with some money?' I ask her how much and she says whatever you think is right. I give her 400$ and she was ecstatic. She was very open and friendly, she showed me her passport without hesitation when I asked to see it. She has a proper FB and Instagram account which is public.  
   
 Encouraged with this success, set up a meeting with a Korean girl (22) who lives in Queens. Asked her to meet me at Four Seasons in Midtown. She dressed up really well and we had a great chat. Took her to a great dessert bar because she told me she loves sweet. Discussion turned to pot and she told me that she likes to get high and always carries it with her. I take her back to my apartment, we get high and make out. She didn't want to do BBBJ which turned me off big time so decided to call it a night and she went home. She did not raise the topic of money at all. I do plan to see her again and see if I can change her mind. She told me that she has met weirdos from the site and she really appreciates that I treated her so nice (four seasons, high end dessert bar). It was the first time someone treated her this way.  
   
 Since then, it has been back to the square one. Not able to get responses or they ghost after first message. I am seeing 2/10 as the success rate for messages. Is that common?  
   
 Also, I hardly get any inbound message. To be clear, my profile is empty and I have a one public pic and one private pic. I specify 'Other' as my ethnicity. I was thinking that specifying East Indian may be a turn off for some ladies. We, Indian men, have shitty reputation with ladies.  
   
 And what's up with all these profiles for NYC girls? They all want a tall handsome sugar daddy. If I was a tall, handsome dude with cash, I wouldn't be on this site. Is it only me OR one hates those profiles where they say 'treat me like a princess that I am' or 'I want you to spoil me'.  
   
 I am also not sure what's the current PPM rate in NYC Is like. Is it 300, 400 or 500? What's more common?  
   
 Is it me OR the SA website and especially the app sucks big time? They are both so slow. I wish OkCupid team will re-do their website and app.  
   
 Another question, is it worth filling out a profile? Is it worth getting background verified?  
   
 What kind of opening message do you write? I generally write 'How is it going' as there is not much in most girls' profile to write anything interesting.  
   
 Finally, I would love to do a meet up of 'sugar daddies' in NYC. Any interest?  
   
 Thank you for reading, looking forward to your responses.  
   
 

-- Modified on 12/28/2016 12:16:24 AM

If you are East Indian, Black or even Chinese like myself I think it's better to get it out there right away so it's not an issue when you meet. I especially make sure I do that living in a place like N Texas which is quite frankly rather "redneck"  I would much rather risk not getting quite as many responses than risk not being able to bed the POT SB that I actually meet. I probably get "maybe" a 50% response rate from the girls I reach out to and many of those lead nowhere as after the first or the fifteenth message they ghost, but I have a "closing rate" of well over 90% once I get them to meet.

OP, I do not wish to decipher so many of the points which you had raised in your thread post but the short answer would be affirmative toward your concerns about being of the East Indian ethnicity and the stereotyping which that brings about. It could be worse though, as you could be Middle Eastern trying to get p*ssy in this day and age! Ha! That said, I can detect a higher degree of sophistication to you than some of your competitors out there so if you are willing to persevere, you shall overcome!

and similar shit.  Those women are very self centered and they rarely work out well for me.  I truly am turned on when I read  a profile which is interesting or unique in some way.  You should create your own profile text with that in mind.  Say something which is different and makes you stand out from the rest of the crowd.  As for opening messages, I always write something meaningful if I can, certainly a few sentences.  I really hate it when the SBs send me an opening message that just says Hi.  I do respond and try to get a conversation going but when I get an opening message that actually says something I'm much more interested.  Finally, don't be discouraged by a temporary low success rate.  It comes in waves for some reason I can't explain.  There have been times I had so many willing SBs I had to choose carefully and let the rest slide.  Right now I'm down to one, but having conversations with many, which will hopefully lead to finding another unicorn or two.  Keep at it!

All good feedback from previous responses, so I'll dig down deeper into 1st messages,  

Sid.in.City: Thank you for the kind compliment and the offer but I will respectfully keep my pimp hand strong to myself. One thing which always helps me with women when I tend to (naturally) fall into that trap which all men tend to fall into, is my tendency to remember that women in general but most importantly during courtship, would like to be seduced mentally. They really are different than us men and have very vivid imaginations.

I almost never personalize intro messages. I always say something to effect of "Hello. I really enjoyed reading your profile and your pics are stunning (or "cute" or "hot" or "sexy" or whatever) Please check out my profile and let me know if you think we might be a good match. Cheers. "  
I've written it so many times my iPhone auto-type can basically type it for me. If they respond, THEN I will personalize my messages to them... but you never know, sometimes "hi how are ya" works just fine. You really just want them to look at your profile and then that is what you need to optimize to make yourself stand out.

I am in the DC area not in London. I definitely agree with doing A/B experiments with both the profile and messaging to find the style and message that works best for you. It definitely helps to get tips from other sds esp. from this board. Thanks to all the folks that message on hear regularly for all your tips. You have been very helpful. I am still working on how to make things more productive on SA but it is well worth the effort. SB experience with even one unicorn is so much better than seeing pros in my opinion. Though, pros can fill gaps as SBs come and go and it takes time to find the good ones.

You are saying that you list directly in your profile that you are looking to pay 400-600 per meet and this has upped your response rate? I have always negotiated rates behind the scenes, but I must admit, this more direct approach does sound intriguing and might cut out a lot of the intermediate bs if the Sugar is already known by both parties.