I see referencess to a "SA" website for sugar babies but which site exactly is this??

Thanks.

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I believe it is seekingarrangement, not the plural. In my short experience with them there were scads of fake profiles when you set up your free profile. Then after you upgrade literally all of them disappear. Buyer beware.

Haven't you seen post after post made about success stories from that site?

Every major city has hundreds of active, viable profiles and almost every small city has at least "dozens" of available SB's

When I saw that all the profiles had vanished, I created another "profile" and voila... these so called sb profiles were still there. When i went back to my real upgraded and paid for profile, not one of these SB's profiles were to be found.  They were all fake. Btw, I'm in a very large metropolitan area.

I can tell you that Ive had sex with about 20 ladies from the site in the past year. Im 58. Have seen ladies from age 20 to 50. Currently seeing a smoking hot 25 yo. Not sure what you are doing wrong. Im not exactly a male model.

Perhaps I can help you a bit here. Your experiences so far in a way reflect that of my own when I was a novice on SA back in early 2012 (or maybe 2011 when I thought I was done with whore mongering on TER, I can't exactly recall). The problem from what I remember was that I was going for the really hot looking photographs and I admit that I know, as a matter of fact, that SA and similar sites used to pay hot vegas type "atmosphere girls" to be like models on their site, SA probably less so than the others which were trying to get off the ground at the time when this shyte was becoming the rage (circa 2008-2009 with that really bad economy). These girls were not getting paid a bundle of money but were getting invited to SD/SB parties plus VIP passes and other BS freebie BS stuff that young and gullible girls love to lap up! There're definitely telltale signs if you become good at recognizing those from the posted profiles, a bunch of smoking hot photos combined with a few barely descriptive sentences sentences, sometime a mere few words if that! All these girls had to do was to maintain their email account and check the email messages once in a while and no need to respond to any inquiries.

I think that you are being too hard on yourself and are over analyzing this thing too much by becoming too much of a sleuth! Believe me that I also had very lofty expectations and similar bad traits. Ease up a little bit, hone your approach messages and go after a few 6's and 7's, or even step down to a 5 if need be. Lack of experience and too high of a standard are a bad mixture if you want to add notches onto your bedpost. Not much different than the bar game but heck, we're far too old now for playing those "frat bro" type bar games. Just hit on them, use Zangari's approach if you must and just go meet some of them in real life and unlike some ugly hookers that you often feed bad or terrified to walk away from, it's a synch walking away from ugly aspiring SBs. It is even empowering!

The first time I signed up for the free trial I was skeptical and cancelled my account after about a week.  I thought most of the profiles were fake.

I signed up again about 2 weeks ago and paid for 1 month using a pre-paid American Express gift card.  So glad that I did.  Have had sex with 2 women from the site, one of whom may become a girlfriend.  Had sex 3 times so far and have about $50 into it besides the $70 I spent to join the site.  Not that the money matters as I'm not looking at this as P4P but rather I shared the info just to show you that if you're a decent guy and treat them well that they may not be in it for the money either.

So, yeah, give it a chance.  I'm actually getting women contacting me...not pros...real women who liked my profile and are wanting to get to know me.  I feel like a kid in a candy store!

I haven't paid for membership yet but plan to soon. One question is I read a lot of girls descriptions saying they want a SD to pay them allowances or buy them stuff but they are very upfront about not wanting anything sexual or even say they only want text or phone relationship.

Some girls want money and maybe have relationship if things work out.

Are these girls playing dumb or do they really expect someone to pay them without sex? Maybe I am naive one??? In your experiences do these girls "get the program" or just fishing to see what they get?

First and foremost, if you want to earnestly play the SD/SB field, you have got to have to become a paid member plus be prepared to compose a well crafted profile  as women pay more attention to details and if you know how their minds work, sprinkle in those "magical" words and phrases which registers on their radars! Your profile description need not be laboriously long winded. Also at least add one public photo (it is fine if you are unwilling to show your face for reasons of anonymity but IMHO it is crucial that you have at least one face picture in your private photo profile.

There after, I generally just plainly ignore those profiles with barely contain a sentence or less! I also avoid buzzwords and phrases such as,  "Princess, Deserve to be spoiled, Substantial, etc" Not that I am unable to meet these mercenaries in person trying to deconstruct them and to knock them off their lofty pedestals, but why the heck bother? Time is money and spending actual money on waste of time dates is also pointless and a gullible act.

Those who are "not looking for sex or intimacy" are those who have watched too many episodes of these so-called professional SBs masquerading on shows such as Dr. Phil claiming that Stupid Daddies buy them designer handbags which they also feed the newly acquired bags with wads of cash. Don't fall for that ruse and also avoid the youngins who write shyte like that who are under the impression that wealthy old men just need arm candies for social functions, etc. Eventually when they do not receive responses of substance and get their time wasted by keyboard "players' they will either move on or revise their objectives and offerings!

Good luck~

I too avoid those who say they don't want any sex.  But really what are they thinking?  They are on the wrong web site. It's true that there are media influences which try to convince these girls they can get something for nothing, but if they believe that they truly are dumb, not just playing at it! Most all of the SA women I choose to correspond with are savvy enough to know that sex is a guaranteed part of the arrangement.  In fact, they are looking forward to a good fuck just as much as the guys are. If some money convinces them to do it with me instead of someone else, count me in!