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We had lunch yesterday and a BCD.  We talked a lot.  She got emotional about things in her life.  She said she really appreciates me being a point of stability.  She tried to not have feelings and just be an SB, FWB.  But after time getting to know me she said she can't anymore.

I told her I liked her as well and I'm fine with us slowly exploring a relationship.  Longer dates, day trips.  More talking over text.  I also told her I was going to push her to go back to school and get a better career.  I want her to have a better life but she needs to work for it.  Unless her long term goal is to always be financially dependent on someone else.  Don't get me wrong, if that's the long term partnership you get go for it.  I always felt it was the smart move for a woman to not need a man's money.

netnoy1059 reads

She reached out last night via text.  We talked about it.  She said she was really scared to talk about any type of commitment.  She got hurt a long time ago and has refused to fall for anyone.  But her life has been a disaster and I've been the only consistent person there for her.  So she caught some feelings.  She admitted it was definitely sex talk when saying ILY.

So, we are having lunch on Monday to restart and see what happens.  I told her I liked the idea of us being more consistent.  I know she needs the money so the allowance is not going to change.  If anything, it'll go up with me giving gifts.  I said there's a huge difference between us committing to seeing each other more often and her potentially being a main SB/ GF and us committing to a loving relationship/marriage.  Neither can be forced.  But we've known each other long enough for the first one.  I don't expect the second one to happen but will be more than happy if it does.

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herbtcat58 reads

"I told her I liked the idea of us being more consistent."  

 
I think you are wise to use the term "consistent" rather than "commitment."  The first implies regularity and stability without straying too far into the scary (for her) relationship space.  

And as others remarked in your previous post, there's an important distinction between loving her (let's face it, we all love our SB's at some level) and being "in love."  I also appreciate that you used the term "main" GF. That makes it clear, if somewhat subtly, that you are not offering exclusivity in any form - right now.  

 
My prediction is that as you move forward and gently start introducing more spontaneous BF-like behaviors like unexpected gifts, travel, etc., the more comfortable she will be in thinking of you as a serious BF.

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

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LAERTES64 reads

Netnoy, that is a nice relationship situation to move into. If both you and she like the consistency and there are feelings too that's really a sweet spot. Sounds like you care about her and she gets that vibe so her heart may be very slowly opening up, and from my experience that's a beautiful thing to see. Just may take some time.

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netnoy59 reads

I do care for her.  She's a wonderful person.  She actually had a really good career till recently.   The company is tanking so she's in a freefall income wise.  For the first time in a long time she's struggling.  The major problem she has now, for her to get as good or better income she needs to either go back to school or grind in a commission sales job.  Both require a lot of changes she doesn't want to do.  But sometimes those end up being for the best.  I think she's more than talented to make the transition.  She just needs to make the decision.

Even if we don't work out long term I want nothing but the best for her.

Posted By: LAERTES
Re: A good situation
Netnoy, that is a nice relationship situation to move into. If both you and she like the consistency and there are feelings too that's really a sweet spot. Sounds like you care about her and she gets that vibe so her heart may be very slowly opening up, and from my experience that's a beautiful thing to see. Just may take some time.

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bassrat5159 reads

That all successful people suffer setbacks in their career.  Its the setback and how they adapt, adjust, and overcome those setbacks that makes them successful.  There are valuable lessons to learn from what she is going through.  You are there to help her through it.  

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LAERTES69 reads

Will she want an increase in her allowance as her money dries up more? Would she ask for this or suffer in silence? How white knight do you want to be?

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netnoy55 reads

I know my limits.  And what I'm willing to do.  The biggest step is seeing each other more often.  From 1-2 dates a month to 3-4.  After that, we can see.  

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sympathyforthedevil48 reads

That's a big jump  in payouts if it's PPM. Any volume discount.

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herbtcat61 reads

Posted By: sympathyforthedevil
Re: Struggling for income
That's a big jump  in payouts if it's PPM. Any volume discount.
Symp,  

 
You bring up an interesting discussion topic:  

 
The concept of a volume discount is a "merchant" mentality staple.  Charging less per item if the customer buys more units will increase net revenue and move inventory faster, although at a lower margin (i.e.: gross profit).  It's a tried-and-true tactic in sales that has been around forever.  

 
But to an SB, it's counter intuitive. SB's tend to have more of an "artist" mentality, than that of a merchant. An SB tends to prioritize product value over sales revenue. In other words, once she has assigned a minimum value (or price) to her product (or pussy) she may never agree to selling it for less, even if a 10-30% discount could result in a 20-50% higher revenue.  

 
So, offering to go from 2x a month to 4x for 25% less PPM just sounds like the SD is no longer willing to pay the PPM rate they already agreed on.  

 
The math:  
Accepting $400 ppm twice a month will generate $800 a month in monthly allowance.  
Accepting $300 ppm (a 25% discount) 4 times a month will generate $1,200 in monthly allowance, a 50% increase. Now a 50% raise in any other "job" is astounding! Yes, she will be required to perform twice as much work for that SD. But it's not like she probably isn't fucking someone else (for free?) on those alternate weeks. Now she can monetize what were "free" BCD's plus she gets the potential for more frequent non-BCD benefits like dinners or other gifts.  

 
But for most SB's all they will see in this offer is that she only gets $300 ppm when she was getting $400 before. And in her personal idea of SB value (sometimes called "hoe math") she just cannot allow herself to accept less, even when her gross revenue will increase.  

 
I'm not saying a volume discount cannot be negotiated. But a skilled SD will probably want to focus on the monthly impact a lot more than the ppm rate to convince her to accept.  

 
Have any of you ever successfully negotiated a volume discount?  Give us the deets, Brother!  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

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netnoy47 reads

2 other things to consider,

1. Her costs go up with more dates.  Makeup, hair, clothes are all expected to be on point.  That isn't free. And with her, not cheap.  She puts a lot into looking good for me.  New panties, outfits, makeup and hair.  She takes pride in looking good for me.

2.  This can lead into a fixed monthly allowance.  I've done this a few times and talked about it.  If she's consistent enough, we will talk about her bills and I just take some over instead of allowance.  It's more stable for her.  Less stressful knowing I'm covering her ass.  She doesn't have to worry about overspending since rent is paid.  But, she needs to perform to get it.  Knowing my expectations.  She's not ready for overnights and trips.  Maybe down the road.

Posted By: herbtcat
Re: Volume discounts may be counter-intuitive to an SB
Posted By: sympathyforthedevil
Re: Struggling for income  
 That's a big jump  in payouts if it's PPM. Any volume discount.
Symp,  
   
   
 You bring up an interesting discussion topic:  
   
   
 The concept of a volume discount is a "merchant" mentality staple.  Charging less per item if the customer buys more units will increase net revenue and move inventory faster, although at a lower margin (i.e.: gross profit).  It's a tried-and-true tactic in sales that has been around forever.  
   
   
 But to an SB, it's counter intuitive. SB's tend to have more of an "artist" mentality, than that of a merchant. An SB tends to prioritize product value over sales revenue. In other words, once she has assigned a minimum value (or price) to her product (or pussy) she may never agree to selling it for less, even if a 10-30% discount could result in a 20-50% higher revenue.  
   
   
 So, offering to go from 2x a month to 4x for 25% less PPM just sounds like the SD is no longer willing to pay the PPM rate they already agreed on.  
   
   
 The math:  
 Accepting $400 ppm twice a month will generate $800 a month in monthly allowance.  
 Accepting $300 ppm (a 25% discount) 4 times a month will generate $1,200 in monthly allowance, a 50% increase. Now a 50% raise in any other "job" is astounding! Yes, she will be required to perform twice as much work for that SD. But it's not like she probably isn't fucking someone else (for free?) on those alternate weeks. Now she can monetize what were "free" BCD's plus she gets the potential for more frequent non-BCD benefits like dinners or other gifts.  
   
   
 But for most SB's all they will see in this offer is that she only gets $300 ppm when she was getting $400 before. And in her personal idea of SB value (sometimes called "hoe math") she just cannot allow herself to accept less, even when her gross revenue will increase.  
   
   
 I'm not saying a volume discount cannot be negotiated. But a skilled SD will probably want to focus on the monthly impact a lot more than the ppm rate to convince her to accept.  
   
   
 Have any of you ever successfully negotiated a volume discount?  Give us the deets, Brother!  
   
   
 Life is good  
   
   
 The Cat

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gtfo65 reads

Falling in love with a hooker. A simp tale as old as time. lol

I'm sure this will end well.

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netnoy57 reads

You should read the original post.  She said it to me.  Not me to her.  Once again, you just prove what we all know.  You are a troll in mommy's basement.

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Gaijin6452 reads

The fact that you even need to post updates to this sordid bullshit shows you have zero control of the chicks you pay to fuck.  

I suppose anyone that sees through the fantasy land you simps have created on this forum is a troll.

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netnoy50 reads

Lol, I'm not controlling anyone.  I'm not a pimp.  If you and your alt account don't like it you don't have to drop into this part of the board.

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netnoy61 reads

We had lunch yesterday and a BCD.  We talked a lot.  She got emotional about things in her life.  She said she really appreciates me being a point of stability.  She tried to not have feelings and just be an SB, FWB.  But after time getting to know me she said she can't anymore.

I told her I liked her as well and I'm fine with us slowly exploring a relationship.  Longer dates, day trips.  More talking over text.  I also told her I was going to push her to go back to school and get a better career.  I want her to have a better life but she needs to work for it.  Unless her long term goal is to always be financially dependent on someone else.  Don't get me wrong, if that's the long term partnership you get go for it.  I always felt it was the smart move for a woman to not need a man's money.

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herbtcat63 reads

I think you found a good balance between giving her solid advice/motivation while providing some acknowledgement of your desire to let the relationship continue to develop. Above all, you maintained control over the arrangement in a gentle (and gentlemanly) manner.  

 
As long as each of you continue to stay within the new guiderails you established, trust and affection will grow without the need to commit beyond your comfort levels. And that is a very good thing.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

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Euro-Guy60 reads

I don't get over here so much anymore (SB keeping me busy!).
But last I remember, aren't you fucking multiple girls? (I mean BCD time if that's more politically correct  :)
Wasn't it just a month or so ago you were with a handful on just one week?
Or, and I don't think I could manage it, you are a bit in love with this one as she seems to be enamored with you.
So, you giving up multiple pussy and setting down now?   lol
Whichever, as a brother on here, I wish you good tidings.

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netnoy51 reads

Hehe, my rotation collapsed a bit.  I was actually down to only one SB for a bit, Green Card Girl.

She said I love you to me during sex.  When I wanted to discuss it further, she panicked and cut it off.  She came back to me recently and this was our first date back.

So. Current rotation, my GCG, 21 smoking hot Latina who I've been seeing weekly.
The ILY girl who wants us to be more serious.  I didn't commit to monogamy.  But made it clear she doesn't need another SD and I'd be more than happy to see where it goes.  And yes. I'd go monogamous for her.  I think it's worth a shot.  She's 30, mixed Asian, Latina.  We've been seeing each other for more than a year.  
Last is an Indian girl who lives in Vegas.  She's flying in for this weekend.  So we will see how that goes.

I'm not active on SA or SDM ATM.  These three have my time locked down as needed.  And all the sex I want.  Tons of girls are cool, but I do enjoy the connection and time together.  This is why I prefer SBs over escorts.  Not that I don't hit it with them every so often

Posted By: Euro-Guy
Re: netnoy, you're totally confusing me
I don't get over here so much anymore (SB keeping me busy!).  
 But last I remember, aren't you fucking multiple girls? (I mean BCD time if that's more politically correct  :)  
 Wasn't it just a month or so ago you were with a handful on just one week?  
 Or, and I don't think I could manage it, you are a bit in love with this one as she seems to be enamored with you.  
 So, you giving up multiple pussy and setting down now?   lol  
 Whichever, as a brother on here, I wish you good tidings.

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sympathyforthedevil54 reads

Sounds like me. I gave twi longer term SB's that I like and another that comes and goes. I was supposed to meet 2 new ones this week and told them Im taking a SB break.  Too much for me and mg wallet

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