LG,

We're well aware the reason providers like older guys.  But I'm interested in the civilian end of things - why is it that guys "get better with older age" and women, in may cultures, are cast aside?

I think this is interesting because it, IMHO, points to a very basic biological need - that is - the need for some, not all, women to be "well kept".  It may be in society today women feel the need less.  But my feeling is an older man is more established (possibly), has more money (maybe), and will be better able take care of the *genome* than a younger lad.

In some ways, it goes against the "alpha male" dogma.  But it's all Darwinian, isn't it, but perhaps more with an economic twist.

Trophy brides - beware!!

BS

My personal experience is older woman don't have the same interest in sex.  I'm 62, happily married for 27 years.  I've gone the escort route, because my wife is sexually inhibited and has little interest in sex.  As a result, sex is vanilla and rare.  It took me quite a while to make the plunge, I've been thinking about it for almost 10 years.  But, the bottom line is I don't want to die sexually frustrated.

Or get "richer with older age," BigSplooge,

It's not that complicated. From an evolutionary perspective, older men have more resources, younger women are more fertile. Simple as that. Remember that a man can provide reasonably OK sperm until the day he dies - a woman's eggs go permanently sour by the time she's about 45.

As for the alpha male - in pre-industrial societies, the alpha male IS older, simply because he's accumulated more resources than the younger ones. Even simian alpha males are older, stronger and more aggressive than younger ones. Also remember that in times of yore, an old man meant someone in his early forties, since people died fairly young. By the time women were in their mid-30s, they were considered washed up due to many childbirths, possible diseases and hard lives.

I guess old men - and old habits - die hard
the Love Goddess

and as a fifty-five year old, I can personally attest to that.

Women, on the other hand, seem to improve in many ways sexually.  Sure, the exterior may show a little wear and tear, but performance wise, they hum right along.

Wouldn't you rather have a classic Jaguar than a shiny new Corolla?

...that in our evolved status, we, as a species, would be beyond our primal instincts.  It's not that I disagree with you whatsoever...it's just interesting that despite our social evolution, the same basic instinct is there, but just with different wrapping.

Curious though, at what age do you think men typically ascend to the ranks of "alpha-male" in humans - and what particular female age group is attracted?

BS

For as much as I respect your adroit insight, I respectfully disagree with you on this.  Personally, in the performance category, I think I am *much* better sexually than I ever was - and I'm not that much younger than you.  And it has more to do with the fact that I am probably less inhibited - about many things - than I ever was as a younger lad.

As regards the ladies - I appreciate beauty no matter what; although I must say I prefer the 30-40 year old age bracket the most.

Just my 0.02 FWIW.

Best,

BS

I agree with all your points.  However, I am not better performance wise, but, like you, less inhibited, more knowledgeable, and perhaps better able to give and receive pleasure, but not as often nor as powerfully.

I was only thinking in terms of phyiology and not the more important psychology department.

From experience I would say the reasons a civy female would be attracted to an older male are varied.
I had one 20 years younger (24-44)who just became infatuated with me because of who I am and because she liked how good I was at my job.
I had another who seemed to be attracted to me because I already had the house, new car, money in the bank, etc..
I feel feelings come from being around another person and age is not a factor to attraction.  Age can prevent someone from acting on their attraction but if you are really attracted to someone age will not stand in the way.  You do not control who you develop feelings for and if a 40 something male and a 20 something female spend time around each other and an attraction happens I doubt one is aiming to be "kept" or to get "rich".  
People have all kinds of preconceived lists of wants and don't wants.  Mine used to include divorced females and smokers, but once I became attracted to a divorced female it didn't seem to matter as much.  I could not help that I had feelings for her.  Same thing for age.
    I never went looking for a 20 something but if the situation occurs you should enjoy it.  Life is about experiences and dating should be a good experience.

Die old, die hard, with a vengance

I have to agree with BigSplooge.  
 I can honestly say at 41 I am improved, and as horny as a highschool boy peeking in the girls locker room before varsity cheerleader practice.
  Looking back 20 years I have to laugh.  I thought I knew what I was doing sexually, my girlfriends were satisfied(so I hope).
 Today, I think most younger men see "sexual criticism" as an insult, not comfortable comunicating with a partner enough to find out what really gets her boiling. I never thought to ask.."what could make it better" or if there was anything she might like done a different way..    
I see,and aproach sex differently these days.  It should be an adventure, not something just to have an orgasm. I dont mean with a provider, thats different and making it an adventure could be expensive,lol...  

Now.... If I could just get that 20yr old body back and stop spending time and money at the gym.

just my opinion, every man is different...  You might change your mind about the classic Jag if I let you take my 'Vette for a drive.  Low mileage,no wear or tear, and some serious F***ING PERFORMANCE!!!

There is a part of our brain that never evolves and we share in common with reptiles, hence often called the "reptilian center," or brain stem. We try exert control over that center through the higher level context, but often when instincts and the need to fulfill them become too strong, the brakes fail.

We're talking about 2 different aspects of aging on this thread.

When you're considering how a male changes as he ages, yes, he gets better with sexual experience, as far as satisfying the needs of his partner; knowing how to be more considerate, giving, and attentive. In short, he becomes a better lover.

However if you're simply talking about the physical aspect of a male's sexuality, I don't believe anyone here who says that they've actually become better with age. The opposite is true: As a male gets older he gradually loses his erection ability and does not have the stamina that he had in his teens and early twenties. That's documented by science.

To paraphrase a wit from an earlier time:

He mentioned that forty was the perfect age.  Enough money, wisdom and physical health to conquor a woman.

Before forty you are neither wise nor wealthy enough and after fifty you're just too old.

In one's forties, a man rises to the height of his villany.

I'm thinking it was Alexander Woolcott, or one of his acerbic contemporaries.

I had an awful lot of fun in my forties, I know that.

time in my early forties.  My wife was a horndog for me, my health was absolutley excellent, I could get it up twice in an hour and gas was a lot cheaper!

... think Anna Nicole Smith.

Gee, I can marry an 80 year old guy. When he dies in a few years, I'm set for life. Think of it as an extended overnight date, and no risk of the IRS wanting its share.

Well I like Older men because there unrushed and gentle, They know just how to treat me and touch me.. Experiance is what women want.... Trinity

Love older men, and yes they DO get better with age, in looks: a man with greying hair is very SEXY.

In the bedroom: I guess they DID listen to their lady when she said "ooooooo a it to the left , yes yes right there!" HAHHAAHA!

You are assuming that the general level of health and fitness is constant throughout a persons adult life. This is often not true.

  In my early 30s mostly because of changing interests I stopped hitting the gym. I also ended up focusing more and more on work. Since I have a comparatively sedentary occupation I got much less exercise in general and put on a fair amount of weight. While my weight oscillated up and down throughout my 40s I didn't get back into the gym until my 50's. Since then I've lost around 30 lbs of lard and put on about 20 lbs of muscle. My wind is better and my energy level much higher.

  While its true that exercise doesn't seem to help much with the quality of an erection it makes a huge difference in stamina and staying power otherwise. Experience aside, from a purely physical perspective I am a MUCH better lover now than in my 40s.

-J

I love older men, too. I will admit that I've never been attracted to younger men.

Older men are so sexy. The gray hair is a turn on for me.