Hi Love Goddess,

First, thanks for your posts regarding this program. After stressing out like crazy if my equipment was damaged, I now think the problem has to do with digital desensitization (still seeing a doctor just in case but most recent physical was perfect - i take fitness and health very very seriously). Basically, I can get myself off with literature or visuals but with a real woman, have a very difficult time getting hard and often can't. I am 30 now, but have had this problem since I can remember, even at 18 yrs of age. I would generally get myself off twice/day, practically on a schedule. I always thought this would build my stamina and endurance, but now think it was a bad idea. Oh, I've also given up coffee and caffeine sources in hopes that this also helps.

I started this program 4 days ago - as soon as I read about it - and just have a couple of clarifiers (i searched the last 400 days but perhaps i missed something):

1) Can you fantasize mentally without touching yourself? Or does this break the rules? Not fantasizing about porn, but perhaps about I girl I saw during the day or something more normal. I want to find out what turns me on (makes me hard) and try to mentally work myself into an errection without physical stimulation - this is already tough i find - i don't get spontaneous errections during the day. If I can get better at mentally stimulating myself, I thought this would be a skill i could develop and use when needed. This used to be alot easier 10 yrs ago.

2) Is it better to stay away from girls for the full 30-60 days, and then start seeing them? OR should i see them throughout? I know it is tough, but I'm fine with both - i want to do this once and right. I'll do whatever is necessary. Obviously it will be a little nerve wracking seeing a girl the next time as after undergoing this program, I will definitely be hoping it works. If it doesn't, I am not sure what I could do next but i will feel like crap.

Thanks again LG, your posts are informative and helpful and like nothing I've been able to find thus far. Any thoughts on the above would be much appreciated.

SV23

Dear sv23,

I've come to believe that the digital age and the accessibility to sexual imagery have contributed to this problem. Hence, you are not alone - there's a whole generation of men out there who truly suffer. Answers to your questions:

1. If you can get turned on by mere fantasizing and there's no live female in sight - don't do it. You are supposed to stay away from anything arousing unless there's a woman right next to you with whom you can act out your excitement.

2. Keep seeing as many live females as possible throughout the entire program. If there were such a thing, I'd throw you right into a harem where there'd be as much tits and ass ass humanly possible. It's OK to have failure in the beginning, it will dissipate. Remember that you are replacing artificial images with real women, not depriving yourself of sexual activity. This is not about withdrawal from sex, it's about withdrawal from artificial stimulation. It's like going from eating McDonald's to having the finest organic and natural foods possible.

Happy munching,
The Love Goddess

thanks for the fast reply - will follow the plan to a T.

Cheers
SV23

Just thought I'd see if anyone else is trying this program out and if you are having any success or progess. Some inspiration never hurt.....

thanks
sv23

I actually suffered from this problem and LG's advice definitely worked.  It seems that a lot of younger people of this generation have some sort of digital desensitization to some degree due to the prevalence of internet porn.  Unfortunately for them, most of them simply get diagnosed with ED and don't attribute their condition to excessive masturbation.

It is very difficult, especially in the beginning but you need to stick it out.  For me, I actually ended up having an unrelated minor surgery that prevented me from any type of sexual stimulation for about 2/3 weeks, and my issue ended up getting solved upon seeing my next lady.  You don't necessarily have to hold out for 30 days but every time you feel the urge to rub one out, definitely see a real woman (don't be disappointed if you can't get it up the first few times).  I cannot stress this last point enough.  It is crucial for success, especially in the beginning.

Good Luck

Thanks very much Kern56.

I saw my dr. again today and he just prescribed another brand of ED medication - i almost banged my head against the wall right then and there as I'm pretty sure Cialis or Viagra or Levitra aren't going to help me (god knows I've already tried and was thoroughly dissapointed that these "magic" pills didn't help me).

Actually, I haven't had a hard time so far - mind you, its only been 6-7 days now. Not sure if that means something else is wrong or if I'm just not thinking of sex much due to the recent failure. I'm having a much harder time kicking my caffeine habit but I'm down to a max of one cup a day. I don't think the caffeine is my problem but being cautious.

Your post was good re-inforcement so many thanks. After popping so many pills/herbs I've come to realize the program Love Goddess mentioned is the only way for me to go right now. I'm hoping to high hell it works. Other than lifting weights and running, nothing else gives me that rush that keeps me ticking!

Cheers
SV23

I'm shocked that after 6 full days of no release I'm not walking around with a permanent erection - dammit, i was looking forward to that. However, I do want to jump every single girl that walks by me now and I'm generally a very picky guy.

6 down, 54 to go. that's right....i think i need the 60 days.

Thanks Love Goddess.....your a godsend!

So it's been 14 days since my last "release". Haven't watched porn, haven't jerked off, nothing. I'm walking around with a semi full time now.

I need to ask you just one question as I keep on going here. I am single, and I currently don't see a provider, so this is getting tougher - but i know i can pull it off. I'm actually a newbie and as I was researching the "hobby" on this site, that is when I realized I had a little problem. So, I figured i might as well correct this issue before starting to see providers. So basically, I have no avenue for that "release".

Is this ok? To go this long without letting go? I figure I'm in for an earth-shattering wet dream soon but I wonder if this is the right way to handle my 60 day program. Would it be better if I saw a provider during this time? Just wondering how I would function if I went 60 full days without any release at all. I'm guessing the program is meant to abstain from self-gratification and i am good on that one, but I think I am lacking in the "Getting use to live females" area - am i right to assume I need to fix this?

thanks again,

SV23

Dear sv23,

The whole point of this exercise is not just to engage in abstinence - it's to be abstinent from masturbation and porn WHILE engaging with live females. Yes, it's OK to go 14 days without anything, but the point is to engage sexually with women as much as possible. Please try to remember that you are trying to recreate a natural condition. The natural condition for men is to fuck as much as possible. So YES, you are supposed to see as many women as possible, providers or civvies doesn't matter, as long as you get your wick dipped.

I thought I made that clear, but maybe not? My bad,
The Love Goddess

Right.....it was clear....so that would make it my bad. I'll get to work on that right away then.

thanks for the help.

Sv23

So, sv23, how's it working for you now? Three weeks have passed since your last post.

thanks for asking infomike,

I freaking gave in a week ago and gave myself a release. Literally, I could not function properly having gone 2.5 wks without a release - i wanted to jump anything in front of me and couldn't sleep as sex was on my mind 24/7. It was working though I think - more frequent random errections, practically had a permanent semi too - it was a good feeling. Work kept me travelling and I could not meet with up a girl, but will set up a meeting in two weeks. I want to get back on track and be at least 3 weeks into another round of N.M.M. before I see someone. Being a newbie also makes this a bit more daunting - dealing with the newbie anxiety plus the NMM plan. I never do anything the easy way unfortunately.

Not sure if that feedback is useful but in a couple of more weeks hopefully I can give you a final result.

Oh and more thing. I think what I've started to realize is that I have to do a better job of picturing myself in the act with a girl - sounds like common sense, but after watching so much porn, i think i got used to watching, and not being an active participant. So now, i try to concentrate on picturing me actually doing the pushing. This is actually been a challenge mentally but it definitely helps. It helps the mental stimulation side of things I'm sure.

How did I ever get this messed at the age of 30!

btw, are you trying this out?

SV23

I forgot to add that the advice i got here was way better than multiple trips to my dr who just threw every ED med he could. And then, just upped the dosage like mad. Even before i finished talking......here's another brand for you to try. I'm thankful he's not an athlete as I could see him hurling the samples at me if he could........very fast on the pill trigger indeed.

thanks lovegoddess.....i'm going to keep this going as long as i need to

sv23

just wondering if you have this problem , basically the solution is not to ejaculate for a period of time, how about getting a hand job by a provider only? is that ok or not/