This Board seems to be dominated by a select few of posters...by my count, the top 10 posters contribute about 70-80% of the posts here. Their experiences and views are well worth taking into considerations or each mongers interest in learning  how to best achieve his desired success to playing in the Sugar Bowl.
IMO we could ALL benefit from hearing a wider range of views and experiences from the mere followers on this Board.
So hopefully more of you will step up and contribute 😋
Happy Hunting !

I am new to this board, so I wanted to introduce myself.  I stop boy other boards on TER & will check this area out more now.  Thanks for sharing!

You and I are about the same on the posting scale here.  GaGa, Herbcat, sweetman and Sftd seem to be the front runners in the posting numbers.  All great opinions and direction.  New mongers are welcome, give us your insight.

... I shall not reply to this thread and will defer to others.
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Oh shit.  Never mind. :p

It is not the quantity, but the quality that truly matter as well as the girth🙄 and the wielding abilities natural and aquired...

Msg to the gents that predominate the posting here....I have pursued ALL of your reviews and noted the $$$ amount of the Pros that you have written reviews of. The VAST MAJORITY of the ladies you have reviewed have rates around $300-400/ hr or less with VERY FEW exceptions !
So let's all be honest here....much of the appeal in dating SB's for MOST posters here is finding BARGAIN PUSSY !
I've indulged in chasing low $$$ pussy from time to time myself...so no problem with that...but there is a MUCH BIGGER world out there to explore with the ladies of significant class IF we are interested in that kind of experience and willing to " pay what they are truly worth " 😋
I'm still hoping to hear from more discerning mongers ISO High Class Quality SB  Pussy.

Yes my avg dollars with a pro is 300 and my avg SB is 200.  1 hour with a pro, multi hours with an SB.  I just saw one of my SBs today and gave her 120 bc she needs new glasses.  She actually comforted me from my loss of the young lesbian who went back to the girls team.

I did not venture into the Sugar Bowl in a search for "bargain pussy", it was just a very pleasant side benefit for me.

One of GaGa's best admonitions: Price Does Not Equal Quality.

As long as we are exchanging experiences, I'll reiterate a recent one here with some additional details.
I have a local monger friend that I exchange ALL info with about local SB's and I shared this with him. His situation is ENTIRELY different from mine...he's married and is ONLY interested in GREAT PUSSY at the lowest price for an hour play date...he finds some gems occasionally and shares them with me and I reciprocate with my experiences but often we have different priorities about the kind of date we each are looking for....it's a difference we both recognize, understand  and treat accordingly.
I recently met a 9+ 32 y/o looker who has a professional career as a nurse and is continuing her education for a degree in anesthesiology. She has a son which she shares custody with her husband....she dresses to REALLY impress and drives a relatively new Mercedes SUV.
As we were finishing our M&G dinner she asked seductively if I wanted to make a deal for BCD...negations began and her deal was 750 for a full evening...eventually I agreed to her $$$ request but ONLY AFTER she had also eagerly AGREED to ALL of my special BCD requirements 😋
Long story short....she FAR EXCEEDED my expectations in EVERY RESPECT ...we spent the entire evening together and I've had a second date with her that was EVEN BETTER ! !
I mentioned her to my local buddy and described all of the " special " services that she provided and also mentioned to him that because she lived alone she she might also be willing to do an incall for him ( which is a priority of his because of marital status )  She responded to his inquiry and they met for coffee...she quoted him the same 750/date... he ultimately negotiated just an hour incall at her place for 500.
My buddy reported that he enjoyed his encounter with her but it wasn't the OVER THE TOP experience that I had and for 500 he would probably not repeat.
So should I feel like I OVERPAID just because he fucked her in one hr date,, enjoyed it less and paid a 33%  reduced rate ? ?

He probably fucked her once. You probably fucked the gal all night long! Just guessing. But probably true.

I guess we have hijacked the original thread, but that's ok. I see very little correlation between price and quality.  Very little at all.  The exceptions are the TER Top Ten ladies who charge a fortune but provide an experience that is out of this world.  But when it cums to Sugar Dating, I just don't see any correlation whatsoever. I've encountered many who were merely ok looking but who thought they "were worth" $1500 per date.  And I've encountered many very beautiful young lovelies who would easily rank as TER 8-10s on looks who provided a truly memorable experience for $200-$250.  No corellation at all.  I'm with Gaga on this one.  I just don't see any point in overspending, especially when it skews their expectations for their next SD.

I fucked her twice both times...and THAT's NOT a usual occurance for me at my age ( 71 ) 😋
In addition we went out between sexual rounds for REALLY fun times together...total date time was 5-6hrs !

Looks vs performance.   I think there is a (significant) correlation between looks and price (at least in the pro world.)  Young SB's might not realize their potential yet in that regard, so if you get them inexperienced, you could do pretty well.  

Except for "skewing their expectations for the next SD"   Seriously - WTF...

I’m going to back this up with a story, which in terms of negotiations, is typical of my SA experiences but also shows how much price can and should vary.  

Discriminatory pricing makes sense.  It occurs in the real world too.  People who go to movies ... if you're poor you just pay for the ticket.  If you're rich you buy popcorn and soda.  

Hookers can't admit to having an "ick" surcharge whereas SB's are free to set their "rates" on an individual basis.  

"Ick"

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Since there has been ample push back on the OP's initial theme, I'll comment on his inaccurate (or alt least flawed) premise for stating his theme.  The premise was based on a supposedly thorough analysis of top poster's reviews, where conclusions were drawn about income, prices paid for mongering and the underlying strategy in selecting hookers and SB's. Namely it asserted the idea of optimizing for cheaper pussy over quality sex.  However that assumes that the sum total of published reviews by each person represents the totality of their hooker and SB experience and spend. For me it does not. I have been a TER member since 2004 and I started visiting pro's in 1982. I started in the sugar world in 2009. That's 35 years of paid sex, and it spans across 29 countries and thousands of women.  
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Yet I have only posted 3 reviews, and all of them within the last 15 months. Like many punters, I chose to stay in lurker mode for most of my TER tenure, paying for VIP annually.  
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The data you may harvest from those three reviews about my mongering or sugar habits is no where near sufficient to understand what I pay, who I pay it to, and what services, quality and benefit I received from over 3 decades in the p4p world. I have had cheap hookers (less than $100 and often less than $50). I have had very expensive hookers ($1,100-18,00 for top shelf porn stars as well as over $2,500 for three ways with pairs of 19-22 year old Euro providers at the best brothels in Western Europe).  None of this is reflected in my reviews. Nor is my sugar experience as SB's are never (and it must stay that way) reviewed.  
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Next I'll comment on my colleague GaGa's observations. (Sorry, I'm watching the senate debate on the shut down on CNN as I type and it's influencing my thoughts.) I am one of those old, fat guys who plays in the sugar world as well as mongering with pros.  I have never encountered a pro who up-charged for being fat, though I will note that I was once declined by a new, young pro after I disclosed my weight in her screening form. (I watched her ad activity for a while after that and predictably it diminished, even with reduced rates,  as she presumably failed to make enough revenue to stay in the business.) In almost all of the sessions that I truly enjoyed (and there have been plenty where I did not), I was asked to return soon. And that included sending me unsolicited texts (not too many) checking in and suggesting repeat meets.  
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In the sugar bowl, I generally do not contact SB's 1st. Instead, I wait for an SB to either favorite or message me first. With that strategy, I rarely proceed to a Meet & Greet that does not include an opening to negotiate BCD time.  SB's that I meet are never surprised by my looks, but they may be pleasantly surprised by my sense of humor, my ability to form a quick emotional and intellectual connection and my "down to earth" manner. This has led to some amazing SD/SB relationships. Yet in each of these, the actual p4p sugar has varied according to other factors than my size.  Why? because if she was unwilling to bang a fat guy she would never have contacted me in the first place.  
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So what does that all mean? It means I think GaGa over-generalizes the idea that "the older, fatter, uglier you are, the more money any woman is going to want from you to "lower herself" to have sex with you."  There are certainly a large number of SB's (I'll concede it may be a majority) who align with that premise. But there are more than enough SB's (at least in my metro area) who willingly have sex with me and (tell me they) enjoy hanging out with me to keep my rotation full (total of 8 SB's on call as of today) at $250-$400 per meet. And that's with having my SA profile and all SA online activity hidden for the last 4 months. In fact, I have been introduced more than once to my SB's friends (and even parents!) as her date and/or BF (and I'm sure for a few as her SD).  
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Consider this the flip side of the current thread on the General board about BBW providers. Physical attraction is a very subjective thing for each of us.  Just like there are so-called chubby-chaser guys who session with BBW's there are SB's (and I assume hookers) who are attracted to (or at least are not repulsed by) fat men. There is even a "looking for" tag on SA for BBW's that can be used by SD's (who are looking for BBW SB) and by SB's (who are looking for bigger guys).  I recently did a search on SA for profiles tagged as "looking for a BBW guy" and found at least 40 in a 25 mile radius of me. Reviewing these showed that a couple of them we also BBW women, but the rest were slim, athletic or average body types.

I appreciate all the very good discussion that has been contributed in this thread...I've been mongering for over 45 yrs all over the world and I'm still learning new tricks of the trade from you guys..thanks for the input 😋

and I would add that rather than appearance - maturity may be a factor with the likability factor...

I too am VERY immature, I also do well with the under 25 crowd and I do really well with women who don't speak English.

Yes, hence the point of my post. The price you pay for premium looks in the sugar world is correlated with everything about you. It’s not just about the money, or your looks, or your game; everything matters.  You’ve got game and that helps you in the SB world more so than in the pro world. That’s a good thing.  

For me the "allowance" I am willing to give to an SB is more a matter of principle and "setting the right tone" than it is a matter of the actual money.  

We all view things from a perspective based upon our OWN experiences.
No doubt that casino girls in Vegas may vary their " ask" from a high roller vs and average Joe...but that does not NECESSARILY mean that they did NOT perform better for more $$$...that assertion is PURELY SPECULATION on your part. Neither you or I knows EXACTLY what a woman thinks or how she calculates her " ask" for BCD fun...nor do we KNOW how good she is in the sack with OTHER guys !
To argue that YOU know THAT seems to me to be the height of arrogance.
My point here is that In many respects it pays to remember the Golden Rule and treat others as we would like to be treated. When I was in business a sold LOTS of deals, Big and small...and yes I would shave a bit off my asking price for the right deal but not very much....often I got full ask....so if the customer wasn't willing to pay a reasonable price for the quality of product and service I provided then he could easily find other companies to fit his needs at a lower price...so probably my business experience has had a significant impact on my thinking and approach to Sugar Dating.
I'll leave you with one final wise old saying... " Quality is Remembered long after the Price has been Forgoten "

A similar question is if tipping servers results in better service. No doubt of course that as in anything there are diminishing returns.

...generally they’re rich for a reason: they don’t waste money. They don’t own Ferraris, Lambos, etc. They have top-end cars, sure, but there’s a limit. They don’t hesitate to spend on things they want, but they don’t spend willy-nilly, either. And they can be incredibly cheap, too. And can get away with things you and I can’t based on the (incorrect) hope of more - I’ve seen them get a discount because the vendor thinks that will generate return business. It frequently doesn’t.

We have had this discussion before.... Different local demographics necessitate different approaches in each mongers methods and evaluating how much to pay for the quality of pussy he is seeking.  
In major metro areas it might make good sense NOT to initiate contact with SB's and ONLY respond to fave notices and initial msgs from ladies who fit your filters to have good success...but In my area, if I used that method I would only be playing with myself 😋  
Consequently I MUST CHASE quality pussy in order to get dates...and I have to chase HARD because they are VERY FEW of that caliber and they FAR BETWEEN
In addition, unless the very limited number of High Quality ladies in my area have been living under a fucking rock somewhere, they UNDERSTAND that they are STANDOUTS in my market and price themselves accordingly...they are NOT FUCKING STUPID  !
One of the reasons I had considerable success in selling and business is because I KNEW MY COMPETITION VERY WELL and was able to use that knowledge to my advantage in commanding a higher price than many competitors whose quality and service was somewhat inferior to mine. Smart, classy beautiful ladies do the same thing...they understand their market and their place in it and price themselves accordingly !
I like the weather here and the living is eaaasy so I'm not moving just to find Bargain Pussy but I do take trips to Thailand, Philipines, Columbia and Costa Rica occasionally on mostly mongering trips. On my first couple of trips I only paid the minimum and the experiences were generally only mediocre...eventually I figured out that it paid good dividends to be a bit more generous than the norm in getting the most enjoyment from a sex date !

This is absolutely true!  Years ago I was dating  sweet young pro for $400 per hour who told me about this very high roller who flew her up to Seattle for an overnight date.  Turned out it was Larry Ellison!  She didn't know who he was at that time, so when he asked her how much, she had no real idea what to say.  As I recall she asked for a ridiculously low amount, like $3000, but she was glad to get it.  I sat down and figured out the difference between my net worth and Ellison's at the time and figured if he was going to pay the same amount per hour proportional to his wealth he should be paying her a million bucks an hour!  So yeah, it's all relative!  

I don't think its possible for a girl to fuck better or worse based on money.  It all comes down to chemistry, which you can't really buy.  I can think of one pro that would always tell me how her other clients were and what they were getting from her.  She was a total sex addict and was either talking about it or doing it all day long.  With this girl, at least, guys don't necessarily get more for paying more.  They basically pay for the chance to fuck her.  Maybe they get a slightly longer menu for more money (I can imagine her allowing BBFS for the right prices) but they definitely didn't get more enthusiastic service.

I fully agree that there is certain amount of "diminishing returns" where it comes to tipping too, but again, partly due to all the time I spent living in Las Vegas where the entire city seems to run on tips, I do tend to over tip, but once again there is a difference between being "generous" and being a "sucker"

I find it VERY interesting that a couple of the predominant posters here who offer such seemingly sage advice on negotiating and finding Bargain Pussy have ACTUALLY POSTED VERY FEW or NO REVIEWS ? ?
It causes me to wonder just how credible their commentary and advice is IF THEY ARE NOT CONFIDENT ENOUGH to post reviews of ALL the Pros they CLAIM to have fucked and just WHERE they acquired all of their self proclaimed Wisdom ? ?  
Could it be that they are just BLOWING SMOKE up everyone's ass about their expertise and supposed conquests ?😋

As for myself, my reasons for never having written reviews are my own, and I don't need to prove my credibility to you or to anyone else on this board.

They are Mongers of the highest order...

The quality of the sex comes down to chemistry.  

You are quite correct that the Quality of Sex depends a LOT if not almost entirely on the natural " chemistry "  
As a MUCH YOUNGER man, my primary interest was in satisfying MY OWN pleasure and many of my young partners were Ok with that because of their similar LACK OF EXPERIENCE...they enjoyed our sex too but had not yet become good in expressing to me what made them cum not to mention that it was NOT a priority for me.
Over time I began reading LOTS of books on sexual pleasure which opened my mind to the various methods of experiencing EXTRAORDINARY sexual bliss for BOTH parties....then I began to employ several of the techniques I had just read about and discovered that I was able to bring out the BEST from many ( but certainly not all ) of my partners. Consequently many of my partners from then on we're truly MULTI-ORGASMIC during our play.
It takes establishing a good rapport and a willingness to experiment with various techniques to discover each lady's Hot Button....when you find that, the results can be UNFUCKING BELIVABLE 😋

Classic - Now I can kinda understand why everyone gets so annoyed with my posts...

Not annoyed YET with your posts brother but you are getting close 😋
FYI, if you had actually READ my reviews of my play dates in Berlin, it would be clear to you that my rendezvous with hookers there were ALL at my hotel !
And BTW, we are simpatico on the emotional connection being a MAJOR FACTOR !
Happy Hunting

Being challenged a bit to provide some credibility seems to have gotten under your skin in a rather SERIOUS way !
Perhaps you were jaded by coming of age in the shark tank cesspool of Las Vegas...sorry about that but that's YOUR problem, not mine !
And perhaps you have simply read " The Art of the Deal " and are now pontificating about Sugar Dating based upon that philosophy of deal making and have NEVER actually had a SB ?  How did it all ultimately work out for the students who signed up for Trump University ?
Regardless, yours is an ENTIRELY confrontational approach based upon a  " I win and who cares if my beating her down to the bottom $ results in the girl ending up feeling like shit " and then you claim that she STILL gives you her BEST !
GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK ...What are you smoking ?

ITP,

"I'm like a tight wet pussy"  LOL

If anyone thinks I have "zero credibility" here, I would like to point out that I have the dubious honor of being the only guy without a single review ever to have access to the Reviewers Only board, that should say something about my credibility.  

Oh please.  You claim you were a moderator here.  Your status on the reviewers only board is meaningless in that regard.

People who reflexively resort to name calling and espousing their creds WITHOUT providing any evidence of their claims are generally just bully type bullshit artists....TALK is CHEAP....Rave on and dig yourself in DEEPER 😋

Why else would I have ever been allowed access to the RO board, or ever allowed me to be a moderator? If I am credible enough for TER Admin, I am certainly above having to explain myself to the likes of you. MY posts are still there, if it's so important to you go ahead and check if you don't believe me. I am not going to lose any sleep one way or the other.

Point taken 😋
I DID raise some uncomfortable questions for you !
There's no way for others ( me )  to know of your past moderator status etc AND you have NO REVIEWS !
As I said before..." Talk is cheap "  
Perhaps your Lordly mannerism in doling out tidbits of scholarly wisdom to fawning newbies is somewhat justified,...perhaps not ?
No harm, no foul 😋

My status here is extremely easy to verify, I can't help it if you are too stupid to be able to follow simple directions.  

I was considering sending you a love note offering reconciliation but now you've resorted to sophomoric name calling again which impedes making meaningful progress.
I challenged some of your posted assertions LOOONG before you offered any creds to me here.
Take a DEEP BREATH and relax Big Boy...a little self reflection and humility might be good for you !
Happy Hunting 😋
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Maybe sometimes, but most of the experienced daddies here probably know where they stand.  I know when a girl comes and I know when I have her hooked on my sex, whether she's a pro or a civvie.  I can tell you with 100% certainty when a free repeat or 10 are on the table.  I also know with 100% certainty when she will probably forget me right after the next guy.