Hi Guys, I hope you're doing well and enjoying life! BTW, this is not a threAD, because I'm on hiatus.  

As some of you know, the SD/SB lifestyle intrigues me, and I enjoy lurking here. As I read your posts, I now have a question if you'd care to share your feelings with me. It seems most of you REALLY enjoy your Sugar Babies, and I'm wondering if they have replaced your desire to book a rendezvous with a provider.

So, my question is...Do you spend time and money with:
1. Sugar Baby
2. Provider
3. Both, but more with a Sugar Baby
4. Both, but more with a Provider  

Thank you, in advance, for your reply.

Robbin
xoxo

First I've seen your photos and website and you are quite the lady.  If and when I make it to Vegas, I might just have to look you up.  

I personally enjoy more time with a SB than a "provider" and it's mostly because there is more to it than just BCD activities.  Don't get me wrong, there are some amazing ladies who have managed to catch my eye, so I'm double dipping (pun intended) at the moment.  But if I had to choose only one avenue, then I would most likely continue with the SB arena.

Hey Robbin! I enjoy both experiences.  Sugar babies allow me to enjoy longer encounters.  Providers are, hands down, more skilled and more reliable. Truthfully, my ideal would be the provider who I could enjoy for a rate somewhere in between their usual rate and a Sugarbaby rate...I would be hooked.  I certainly don't expect providers to discount their rates dramatically. In fact, I would NEVER negotiate as you guys have overhead that SBs do not. But, since you asked, I enjoy both as they are very different experiences

Hey Robin-

In the space of two months I've become a complete SB convert; even dropped my P411 account.  I will continue to see one escort who has become something of a friend, and with whom I have an emotional connection.  Our 3-hour dates are expensive, though, and I'll probably limit them to semi-annually.

From what I've experienced SB works really well for a guy who...
 - Prefers long, romantic dates with GND women, including lots of generous horizontal time, often for the price of one hour with an equivalent escort.
- Is willing to work a bit on the "dating" part of it.  You have to woo a little. I actually like that.
- Wants some emotional connection and possibility of true FWB vibe, even if he is forking over $$$.
- Enjoys a civvie-like (albeit protected) sex experience, sometimes a little awkward, but typically the woman is not faking anything or working hard to boost your ego.  It feels more authentic, at least to me.  Some guys don't like this...see previous reply plus adjacent thread.
- Seeks encounters with highly educated and urbane women (at least in most cities and college towns); not that you can't find this in the escort world, but it is more rare, I think.
- Wants possibility of hosting at her place or his.
- Is willing to negotiate timeslots and availability, as opposed to escort-on-demand.
- Prefers GFE to PSE.

SBs are more of a challenge when the guy is traveling, but it's not insurmountable (double entendre, lol).  

Will second what others have said that you seem really sweet and when I travel to Vegas you might be the exception to my rule...

If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me.

I prefer the much more cost-effective long dates, the connection, and the lower volume.

However, I still see providers under certain conditions.  I have a few long-term favorites whom I see from time to time.  During down periods between SBs, I consider a few local pros.  I recommend to my male friends to supplement their activity with providers when they are not having luck with SBs.  It's much better and safer than going out of ones comfort zone with SBs.

Very well said NiceGuy!
I totally agree with you on every thing you said. I have also dropped seeing pro's except for the occasional romp with the Asian providers here in San Diego that 90% of the time rock your world at SDAG.  
I'm definitely looking for the 3-4hr date like experience that ends in an unrushed couple of hours of playtime at their place or the occasional hotel. I enjoy giving massages both therapeutic and then the slow and sensual that leads to intimate time and that's something that's difficult to do with the pro's when I'm paying 500/hr. I was probably spending 1500/month on pros for the past 2 years and now that's all going into the sugar world.
I just can't ever see going back to spending 500 for 1hr with a pro when I can get 3 to 4hrs with a SB for the same amount or a little less. The only challenge is to build the connection with the SB to try and get the kinky sex that you can most always get with a pro.

the fact that hot slim young providers just don't exist in my locale.  The rare ones that do exist here or visit here are out of my price range.  If I want to be with that kind of woman (and I do!) SBs are the only choice.  Plus of course the connection is so much deeper and there's much more bang for the buck.  Yes, SBs are unreliable, often unrealistic, etc.  But when an arrangement works out I find it offers me more than what I have experienced with the pros.

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Unless of course you are taking hookers and trying to convert them into being SB's. That's when you can get into some serious money, but the typical college coed that you will find on SA will spend the entire night with you for around the same amount of money a hooker in the same market will charge you for a single hour.

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Reasons:
1. cost
2. connection
3. civvie style dating
4. real GFE

Robbin,

I am a convert as well. I have been able to travel, have fun and experience the joys of college with a budget and adventure. Don't feel Nicole and dimed. I enjoy the connection a lot more and don't feel scammed all the time. I can get a months worth of activities for the same price as 3 1 hr dates. Quality is better and more fulfilling. It as if we are playing for the privilege of their innocence and youth. I really do t want to go back to the old way... I am used one provider for years because of relationships but can only do so much. Time is always money in the hobby world. You can take them to dinner or on a trip with out spending serious cash. If they accept a freebie dinner (after years of knowing them) they will it is almost rude to spend too much time since you are cutting into their incomes... no matter how much relationship is created it is always business... in the SB/SD world this goes away... I know we created this mistrust over time but I doesn't mean we are all like this.  

Negatives: Drama... have to teach them how to prepare for a visit and they tend to fall for your success and experience. Affects them in real life because their current BF or future BF will. It get the innocence we took. You actually take to care more about them than is probably healthy some times. My two cents.

If I'm in need of relieve now I look for Provider or SB availability; I take no preference one over the other; whom ever can provide me formidable a solution wins..

I agree in many SBs are looking not only to collect a couple $ but to ave a good time.  I don't think most SB's at least the ones I've been honored to meet associate $$ to time frame ergo with a SB you get more time..

then there is price, I believe that is driven by market & demand..   I don't think a SB in some small non descriptive town in Virginia would expect to receive (nor would I hope a SD would provide) the same salary for time as a hot babe in say the LA valley..

I like the SB thing because it is quite unbelievable how much is available in the SBowl, but it does take time, research and some game. In my market I have had success in the 2xx an met range and usually would turn down anything above that - p4p is more like 3XX. I am usually only looking for a one and done, but I have not had an overnight yet.  

One quick story that might help explain it, I met with a mid 30's SB recently and when I first saw her was a little disappointed, not really that pretty of a lady. But - we had dinner and drinks, (no I was not bombed) and she had a "great personality" - I know sounds like the girls you sister always wanted to fix you up with. But once BCD, as it turned out - she was a very passionate woman and what a great body she had, great ass, nice natural tits, I am big on nice bods! Fantastic BBBJ and it was all fun- would see her again in a minute. This is the part that intrigues me. Had this lady been a provider, I would not see her again. But as a SB, I would for sure, I had some connection that you just don't typically have with a pro. Not sure if that makes sense, but to some on here I am sure it does.    

And yes I will also see pro's again for sure - can't beat the convenience. However I find that you really need to do a lot of research on the pros today as well, lots of bs and old photos that can be misleading. Everything is hard work these days.