Hey- for background, I am in my 40's, white, professional, married, kind to women  
and easygoing. I have not yet used a EROS professional but have had several experiences with  
sugar babies-I have been looking for a review website but can't find one so thought I  
would go here- my main goal is too see what is the "market" out there and to keep the  
price down- we all work too hard for our money.  
 
I have found the following, in NYC, I can get a head turning hot girl- believe me I am picky and dated my share of 10's before I got married--- but not the hottest- girl to spend several hours with me in a hotel for 500-600. I usually say 500 but if pushed, I will go to to 600 but demand alot more time and make sure I can a BJ- they ALL give head and about 75% will let me cum in their mouth as a condition to dating and if  
we really get together alot, then of course they do, but then it is a relationship. Some demand a picture up front which I never send -and they have moved on-but many will meet me and I have never been refused.  
 
I have found the hottest girls - a swimsuit model for SI---are not on the site- or sign up and are quickly scooped up-but the ones just below that are all over.  
 
I had a girl who models in fashion week agree to spend several hours for 700.  
I met one girl- 34DD natural and beautiful and sweet, with her own place, 1k for 2 hours+, she  
was off the charts.  I gave her 2k upfront but had two visits. Most of the girls are honest and just  
want to be treated with respect.  
 
Just this week, I agreed to see a very hot girl who insisted on 1k but she was willing to spend 3-4 hours
alone, have sex multiple times-, laugh at my jokes (not easy) etc. and she was smoking. Of course,  
her first attempt was to say "her prior SD paid her 6k month + bags and shoes"- kind of like the mythical real estate investor who puts up all the capital with no terms!- They don't exist, and If I can find that guy, I want to have a conversation with him.  
 
can someone create a website where we can review our experiences and publicize it. Is anyone really buying these girls 3k bags, etc.  Is anyone really putting these girls on retainer for 5k/or even 3k a month?  if you are, please let us know, I bet it is very few, even in NYC, but we could ask people to sign up and get a general feel for it.  
 
Most of these girls are great- they are intelligent, in or just out of college and need some help, won't be turned into prostitutes, but figure, if they can date a wonderful, older guy, why not get some cash, and I agree with them.   I would love to hear your experiences. I would like TER to create a website for sugardating. It will be flooded with men and maybe there is a way to make some money as well. I am married so it would cost me a fortune to do it  
 
i don't know how this works so if the supervisor wants to take a look, I clicked to email me on response so I assume it goes to my hidden email but would like this to be public as well

I will confess, the last thing I am going to do when I find a Sugar Baby that rocks my world is to tell all my online buddies to blow up her inbox, making her less available to me, driving up the cost and taking away any illusion (delusion) I ever had that she was "mine"

Personally, the last thing I want in a sugar baby is a "top tier, experienced sugar baby" These women know their worth, tend to be quite mercenary and are unlikely to ever be more than P4P

There are hundreds of brand new SB's joining the site every day with no preconceived notions of exactly how this is "supposed" to work. The last thing I want to do is take a woman who just got out of an unfulfilling relationship, wants a little fun in her life with a guy who can show her a good time, and maybe pick up a little spending money along the way, and turn this woman into a "professional" Sugar Baby who demands to be "paid for her time".  Women are mercenary enough without helping them become that way.

Now, I don't mind relating a few of my experiences, but I am not about to "name names" where it comes to the SB's I see.

Nicely done and succinct, well done!

In addition, I reckon that SA will fight tooth and nail in order to fend off anything which add fuel to the fire of some folks in the media accusing them of being a pimping or escorting website. Also, any potential review site will just scare off the volume of lookyloo potential SBs who pour into the site on an almost daily basis for a multitude of different motivating factors.

I have a question to ask in here, since GaGa brought up the mercenary mentality of some women:

Are you mostly hesitant to pursue a potential SB who has had a couple or a few LT arrangements (I normally categorize anything approaching 6 months in this realm as LT) under her belt or do you welcome the challenge of deconstructing someone's lofty opinion of themselves, without being a completely petulant asshat and just cutting her down. I think that experienced "daddies" fully well know the difference between a professional SB (to be avoided like a plague by mere mortals like us) and those who perhaps struck it lucky with one or two mostly married men who invariably ended up pricing them out of the market and henceforth altering their immediate perspective and expectations in a fluid SB marketplace? If by now you have guessed that I'm a sucker for challenges, you have guessed correctly

This is certainly true.  One more thing is that sites like TER probably consider Sugar Dating to be unwelcome competition. So I doubt TER admin would want this.

since they already know the ropes and there's less shyness about discussing time and money.  But these girls sometimes lie about their past arrangements.  Who knew, right? Very recently I had a young SB tell me her previous SD gave her $5000 per month. For a year. No way I can compete with that! When I probed further she finally admitted that was not true.  He actually gave her $5000 once at the beginning and used her for a year and then dumped her. So my offer of $200 per visit was not at all out of line with her past experience, I'm just being more honest about it.

But I am not going to either "pay for the sins of others" nor am I going to try and "measure up" to the last guy.

I completely agree about "professional" Sugar Babies of course. I didn't enter the Sugar Bowl with the express goal of "saving money" but for the very same reason I don't see HDH's, I also am not going to seek out a Sugar Baby who thinks, and/or demands I shit hundred dollars bills for her every whim and fancy. Now if an SB is smart enough to make me think its "my idea" and I am allowed to feel good about myself for the money I have spent, that's one thing, but just like the HDHs in the hooker world, dumping big money on a Sugar Baby because she demands it only serves to make me feel like a sucker instead of a big shot.

I always let the POT SBs know that I have been on the site and that I've had arrangements. This immediately gives me the upper hand with the novices and also puts me on par at the very least with those who have had arrangements and who think that they know-it-all!  

During the meeting (for me usually the second one) when the transactional side of this method are to be discussed, if they play that my previous arrangement was with this wonderful guy who gave me this much (put unreasonable figure in here) I never, ever cut down the previous daddy or get my back up which will put me in the inferior position. I always make sure that I have a drink in my hand and do my best to take a sip or two while he is observing and expecting my reason(s). I follow this further by a pregnant pause and then quip, "well it seems that I have been out of the game for a bit too long and that I would perhaps need to revise my expectations". Now, I tweak this very same sentence all the time so that it does not put me in an inferior position hence I have stopped using "up my game" to "revising my expectations". The latter does not say much about my financial inabilities or reluctance, but it is designed to sound vague! If she ever tries to comeback with' "well you need to increase your budget to get a girl like me", I will go to, "actually what you are expecting is even more than the arrangement I had with a (put a younger age here) swimsuit model we had met on SA!

I don't get all hissy and county and say this will both calm and charm. However please note that this game is only in play for the ones who are worth to engage in a conversation, are articulate to hold a conversation and are actually worth the pursuit at a lesser than their lofty anticipated price.

Sweeten, unfortunately in my market 200 per meet is a none starter! 300 has been the min I've been able to get away with and sometimes it will have to start as high as 500 for the very good ones who spend multiple hours (there is a cost of a hotel room plus room service on top) which I gradually try to bring down to 300-350 per meet.  

As alluded to during my new appearance a few days ago, this has been my past SA M.O. It remains to be seen if this is going to work now after an almost 2 years absence on SA!

but in N Texas where I now live. The MOST expensive for less than an overnight I have run into has been $400 for a multi hour date. The average has been $2-300 for a two to six hour BCD date and $3-500 for an overnight.

Truth be told, I reminds me of Costa Rica pricing. I have been lucky enough to find a couple of young SB's that I don't have any interest in other than sex who have agreed to a hundred bucks for a short date of an hour or so, but when "negotiating" this price I have stressed the fact that I would be willing to see them several times a week. So for three hundred bucks I can be assured of getting laid about every other day if I don't see anyone else that week. I did say I didn't come to SA "looking" to save money, but I'd be a fool to spend more than necessary. If you hadn't noticed, oil is only selling at about forty bucks a barrel, A ten grand a month pussy bill is tough to justify in this environment. lol

Your SA market is a parallel mimic of your escort market, it seems! I have never grazed in your green pastures but I have a friend who because of the nature of his job, he has played the BP game (I know, cringe but he is who he is and has been arrested once too!) in your fair City and he always raves that the Big D and the OC in So. CA are the best places to partake in that BP game. I don't touch this with a 10 foot pole even if he has already been the bird dog and know that a BP girl is not a LEO sting!

But yes, you guys "enjoy" that $100+ price differential and get better quality to boot. As less expensive as the pros are in OC, because of the very wealthy enclaves of Newport Beach and proximity, every other trailer trash who gets on the SA realm, all of a sudden develops affluenza and that is where those parallels between us cease to exist but as you have already alluded to, the demising returns in the oil industry may have had a resonating adverse effect on your local SDs' dispensable income and SB expenditure!

NYC? Fuggedaboutit!

BTW, I still have no idea why ANYONE would fuck around on BP in the Big D. P 411 has literally hundreds of well reviewed providers at $300 hr or less, I can't imagine risking life and limb to save a paltry $50-100.  

A solicitation arrest for me would be nothing more than an irritating inconvenience, but it would still be an irritating inconvenience that I have no intentions of going through. That couple with the hit and miss quality combined with the plethora of GREAT providers available on P 411 here makes me wonder about the judgment or your friend.  

I wasn't playing in the sugar bowl during the days of $100 oil, but I am willing to bet there were a LOT of women trying to land a rich oil baron and who held out for top dollar waiting for him to come along. Personally, even if oil were selling at $200 bbl and I was "rich" I am still not going to pay ridiculous prices for pussy. I am just not wired that way. I think it's a pride thing that I don't want to be the guy blowing ten grand a month on some hottie and then find out some day that she was giving away most of it to some young stud who was laughing at my dumb ass the whole time. I can't help getting old, but old AND stupid are a bad combination.

Having a tremendous sexual appetite must never be mistaken and mixed up with some form of sexual disorder which my friend suffers from. Some of you may know this type, the type who has to pull by the side of the road to check to see if there's any new pussy in the proximity and gets very giddy visiting most cities and town, not for the business he's been assigned to but mostly for the opportunity of finding new ponds to fish from. This type definitely exists and it saddens me to no end that this guy whom I've know for over 20 years, also knows that he is sick in the head but refuses to seek professional help. If the embarrassment of that walking into a sting operation, getting arrested and having his name picked up from the police blotters which is now Google'able didn't apprehend him enough, nothing else will! All this in addition to ROBs and other dodgy situations which he has come across too.

As for the rest of your opinion, again totally in concurrence although our approaches, methods and budget can be vastly different at times. I think it was you who once famously had said, "I will beg for pussy, I will pay for pussy but I will NEVER beg to pay for pussy"

getting teared up over your oil being stuck at $40.  Look at my poor Exxon stock.  Now that is something to cry about.

If not your 401K will do just fine and you have nothing to worry about.

If I told you the true extent to how the drop has affected me, you would accuse me of either bragging or whining, or both. lol

No one held a gun to my head and "made" me go into the oil business. I just wish the same people who hate me for making a few bucks when things are going good would at least concede that things aren't good "all the time" in the oil business. These same people want to tax me at the 99% tax rate whenever I make a few bucks, but what about the bust times I have to life through, I don't see any of these guys who don't have the balls to open their own businesses allow that maybe I should be cut some slack during the hard times.

Probably no different than my "OIL"  ETF down 70%.  

oil or trade it, either way I imagine you must pay attention..daily.  My "oil" is in stocks (401K) which I bought in 1989; Cross-Timber, now Exxon.  My real money is in property, land and housing.  It's a money maker until you sell and have to pay the taxes...depreciate now but pay later.  IRS gets 36% for doing nothing.

But since I leave CNBC on my TV all day, it's almost impossible NOT to pay attention.

A huge percentage of my worth is in oil. I own both a drilling and an operating company and the last year and a half was tough. BUT, it's the nature of the business and I am not "whining" about it. No one held a gun to my head and forced me to be in the oil business, but I do get tired of the cheap shots when I do make a few bucks and the moochers of the board think I should be taxed at a 110% rate.

Let me enjoy my good times and I promise not to whine about my bad times is all I ask.

Being in Real Estate you must absolutely LOVE the hidden taxes in ObamaCare, don't you?

The experts are having problems with all the Federal and State bullshit. At one time, not to long ago, I made 20% return on investment..annually.  At that rate I was able to buy more without having to sell. Those days are almost over so I'm trying something new...building homes rather than buying.   Another Obama scam is FEMA. True story.  Bought flood insurance from State Farm for X amount and paid them.  Month later State Farm came back and said FEMA would only insure me for 20% of X.   I asked for my money back and they told me FEMA did not do refunds.  In other words...fuck off. Plus, banks are tied to FEMA.  No flood insurance, in certain areas= no bank loan. Taxes and bull-shit regulations are killing us.