I am at a loss to explain why this is happening.  

 
As of one hour ago (9:30 pm PST) I have 5 M&G's scheduled in the next 7 days. And that is after 4 other POT's connected by text and ghosted after 3 or 4 messages in the last week.  

 
The M&G's break out like this:  
1. WYP: 26 yr old brunette with a 9+ body. Date incentive $100 and already told me she is looking for long-term NSA arrangement. Negotiations pending.  
2. Seeking POT from late 2023. We tried to connect for 2 months after all negotiations were worked out. But schedules didn't work out and she dropped off my radar. Last week she texted me and wants to meet for lunch. No discussion about (re)starting the arrangement, but she's been sending me sexy pics. Brunette, Latina, tits on a stick body. $400 BBFS.
3. Seeking: 32, West Indian beauty. I mean beauty pageant-level beauty.  New to the bowl and seems anxious to move forward. Negotiations pending.  
4. Seeking: 25 year old AA. Slim and demure, just what I like. Willing to drive to me from downtown LA. Negotiations pending.  
5. WYP: 44 year old "fitness trainer" and (former?) escort from the east coast. Found old ads and TER reviews (9/10 and 8/10), nothing in the last 3 years. Date incentive $100. Negotiations pending. Her old escort rate was $500/hr, so I'll start around $350, after the "needs versus wants" discussion.  

 
And I still have one WYP offer pending: 19 yr old Latina for $75.  She hasn't logged on since I sent the offer 2 days ago.  

 
What the hell happened?? I'm just an old fat guy who was just cruising along with my profile active for 3 days out of seven since I got back from travel in early May.  And in the last 10 days - flood gates are open!    

 
Will any of these get to satisfying BCD, let alone an ongoing arrangement?  

 
I have no idea. But it's going to be a fun week!

 
BTW: I have hidden my profiles on both sites for now. My Seeking sub renews on 7/31 though, and we all know they will auto-flip it "live"" when they process the payment. Yikes!  

 
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The Cat

That's great news Herb! I too have experienced an increase in activity in the past 4 weeks. I've gotten an unusually full calendar with M&G's, BCD's and POTS, and I too have my profile hidden. The increased numbers of circling fish mean better chances at a catch, but I always try to temper my excitement at such activity around the bait with a dose of practical reality.  

 
As you've found, most of the interest we receive are fishing expeditions on the part of the ladies as well, weighing their options, game playing, tire kicking and doing exploratory gold digging. The time for celebration for me is when I am balls deep and she's screaming for more. Anything else is a beautiful mirage in the desert of desire. But.. with these higher numbers of response the chances for BCD success have now dramatically increased!  

 
My problem now is a very good one to have: I have too many to choose from and not enough days in the week to meet them!

I thought it was my new cologne. Or something in the air letting them know my slot for a main SB is open.  Girls from the past reaching out.  New girls ready to negotiate and meet right away.  

If everything goes according to plan. Which is never does, I'm getting laid every other day for two weeks.  I'll have to cool off because of budget.  Still, it is pussy utopia atm.

Isn't part of this that well known phenomenon, "that time of the month"?
And no, I don't mean that time! I mean the other time - the end of the month. Rent coming due...

Just got home from the 1st M&G described in my OP.  

 
She was even hotter in person than her pics, as well as articulate and charming. She wants an arrangement with occasional upscale lifestyle as well as the cash but was realistic in not looking for a shiny new BMW or Gucci bag.  

 
Sadly, she is looking to do a like for like replacement of her last SD at $2.5k/month for bi-weekly dates.  Of course, I told her that was far over my budget, and I tried to present a partial (non-exclusive) solution where if we see each other 2-3 times a month she can cover half her monthly needs.  No joy on that strategy.  So parted on good terms and I told her if she's ever looking for a one-off with no judgement my offer will be open.  She's not likely to do so, of course.  

 
I have no doubt she will eventually find a guy who will pony up the $30,000 a year she wants. But it's going to take a while and during that time she's going to have to do a lot of pick-up trade show modeling gigs. Let's hope some douchebag doesn't try to drag her down the OF big money lie.  

 
Interestingly, my Spidey Senses told me the second she walked in the door of the coffee house that she'd be asking for $1k minimum PPM.  

 
Tomorow is the sushi lunch with the Latina restart from late 2023, early 2024. Assuming she's really interested in starting up again, I'll hold fast on our previously negotiated terms. Worst case, I'll have a great meal.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

Oh damn here i thought it was my incredible good looks and irresistible charm! Do you mean to tell me this is all about the MONEY?  

Look at it on the bright side Herb you are IN THE GAME! It's only a matter of time when one of these centerfolds are going to take you up on your more-than-generous offer and you will be RIDING HIGH!  

 
While lesser men are jerking their sadly wrinkled sausages whacking away to internet porn you are the debonair Mr. Bond in the drivers seat guiding your Lamborghini through the narrow twisting streets above Monaco readying your entry into Heaven's gate!  

 
Remember! Every "Hell no you Splenda loser!" is one step closer to a "Yes Daddy! Harder! Fill my wanton uterus with your hot baby batter!"  

So Herb, I'm interested: you normally don't discuss the financial terms prior to a meeting?

 
Seems I always do, well actually, usually those semi-aggressive SB promote that as a leading question.

Well, I'm not "The Cat", but I'm going to comment anyway!

I try to avoid discussing "assistance" prior to meeting in person. If the SB does insist, it is a red flag.  
Why? Neither party has met in person. In person appear and dynamics are often vastly different than appears at first online or from texting. From my side,  the SB has often fallen short of expectations in person.
More seriously, from her side, if she hasn't met you then you might as well be Jack D. Ripper. Sight unseen, she is going to play it safe and quote you her John rate - a high rate. If you meet her and show her what a sophisticated European gentleman you are, then the rate might be quite different.

To each his own.  Obviously both of us have had a ton of success in the bowl.  

I try to talk expectations early.  Asking her what she is looking for first.  If her allowance expectations are reasonable, then I ask what she's open to for me.  If she is not in alignment with my needs then I can call it there by saying we are not a match.

Saves me a ton of time getting emotionally invested or interested.  And has led to some great sexting.

I'm with Netnoy. I try and get most everything discussed before we do a M&G. It avoids wasted time and unnecessary expenses. I might make an exception for allowance amount if we are really hitting it off via text, or I get a sense she'd negotiate. I have not found my European charm has helped me in negotiations in person lol.

This is a good topic.  

 
What I do works for me, and what netnoy and LAERTES do works for them.  There is no "silver bullet" approach given the layers of complexity (physical, social, financial, local market, personal values vs needs, etc.) in negotiating such intimate activity.  

 
For me, I'm old and fat. Many women in their 20's and 30's just don't want to bang a fat guy, and they adjust their allowance expectations to reflect that.  

 
But face to face, I present as sweet, authentic, charming and engaging. And I MUST have BBFS to move forward. I find that having a discussion first on what she needs (vs wants) what she's comfortable with, and what type of dates she wants (dinner & desert or just BnB) lets me build some rapport and trust before talking about condoms. When I've been pressed for numbers before we have the face time, she's much less likely to consider my ask. Or worse, if we agree on a number first, and then I ask about it, she might either flatly reject me, or increase her ask to a much higher number.  

 
So I don't mind putting in the extra time and delaying the financial talk until the M&G. I get a much higher conversion to BCD rate.  The trade-off is I get fewer M&G's. I know I could be closing to BCD at a much higher rate and much faster (within 24-48 hours) if I had a bigger budget and was willing to roll the dice on BB. But once I stray into that zone, I might as well book with my favorite pro, or just text one of my B-List SB's.  

 
That's just what works best for me. Each of us should experiment with different strategies and see which yields the best results for them.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

For certain, it's one that shows for very different approaches, the outcome is best  tailored for the guy.

It reminds me when people say I have nice  abs and inquire as to the best workout routine: I just tell them, like diet ("abs are made in the kitchen") it's the one that works for you.

As far as this talk as to what European gentlemen might do, I live much of my life there and have met up with at least a half dozen Italiano girls - it would be quite bourgeoisie to interject, during a possibly romantic M&G dinner, any mention as to the cost for her to splay open her legs later that night.   LOL

It's days like this where I think my life is being written by the former Seinfeld show writing team.  

 
We confirmed by text the day before. Later that day, she asked to move the location closer to her, as she will be using Lyft and the ride to our current location would be expensive. I agreed and we picked a new place for sushi  - about a 45-minute drive for me. She thanked me for being flexible and I'll not she did not ask me to pay for the Lyft as she had in the past. I took that as a good sign.  

 
Traffic was light today and sent her a text that I was parked 30-minutes early. Told her I'll get a table and don't mind waiting for her.  

 
Ghosted.  

 
At 10 after, I asked her if she was ok. No reply.  
At 15 after, I called her - left a voicemail asking if she is ok. No reply.  
At 30 after, I texted her that I was ordering (I was hungry). No reply.  
At 1 hour after I told her I'm heading home and again asked if she is ok. That was 2 hours ago. No reply.  

 
"It's really just a show about nothing."  Oh Jerry! You were so right. LOL  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

Fret not, Herb, we've all been in this position but it doesn't make it suck any less. You are an intelligent, thoughtful and considerate person [I think most of us on this board are, at our core] and it's sad when these ladies treat our time like it doesn't matter.  

 
The really sad thing is that this POT that stood you up missed out on getting steady financial support and possibly a good friend she might lean on when life isn't going so good. It's short sighted on their part but of course they are young and pretty and often not so good at making wise decisions. That's why they need us Daddies!  

 
With two strike outs you are getting closer to a home run and we are in the dugout rooting for you!

Ouch.  Sorry to hear.  It truly is her loss.  You are a gentleman to all of the women you date.  If you do half of what you say for them the ones you have had in your life are lucky to know you.

I love your approach, Herb! It works perfectly for you. You understand the pros and cons of your particular situation and you play to your strengths. I agree there are advantages to not discussing the financials up front.  

 
I play it by ear. Sometimes I'll bring it up in our initial texts, sometimes in our first phone call. Other times she seems unconcerned about it and we discuss at the M&G but usually we'll discuss it before hand. Many of them [the greedier ones] bring it up almost immediately which reveals she's likely more focused on the bag than the quality of the potential relationship.

About 3 hours after I got home, she sent a text. I'll summarize:  

 
Apologies. Food poisoning. Medicine made her sleepy. Just woke up.  

 
I was sympathetic, of course and hoped she felt better soon.  Did not offer to reschedule. I will wait and see if she asks for a new day and time. (If you were here during the days of GaGambler, you will understand why I didn't ask.)  

 
Meanwhile, texted tomorrow's M&G POT (#3, Indian hottie) to confirm our meet. She asked to call me, I agreed.  We had a very god chat for about 20 minutes. Quite enjoyable and ended by confirming the deets for the M&G.  

 
We shall see.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

I smell a made-up story. We should have a thread for all the stories for being flaked on at the last minute LOL

Well at least my performance this week has been consistent... Another no-show.  

 
There's always tomorrow.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

... But you are getting closer still to that GRAND SLAM!

Yet another no show today.  Confirmed by text yesterday. Confirmed this morning by text.  

 
Today, arrived at the Starbucks early (as planned) and was about to send a text once I ordered my iced tea when she texted me.  

 
Apologies! Her friend failed to show to give her a ride. But she was looking at taking a bus.  I asked her where she was, and she gave me a general location of west LA. That was probably a 30-minute drive, so I offered to send an Uber, thinking this M&G was highly likely to close with BCD. I just needed her real 1st name for the Uber app and her location address.  She gave me her name and then told me she'd need to ask her boss for the address for the houseboat docked in Marina Del Rey where she was working today.  

 
As I have said before, LA is HUGE. The drive from MDR was twice a far, and the drive would be over an hour, especially with late afternoon traffic.  I waited for her to send the address so I could verify the actual time and cost.  

 
And waited.  

 
And waited.  

 
After two follow up texts from me with no reply, it was now 30 minutes after the agreed meeting time. That's my limit for waiting. I let her know I was heading home and that I'd be open to try again later.  

 
It's now 50 minutes since I bailed - still no response.  Par for the course, I suppose. But I'll be thinking about my process and how to decrease the no-show percentages. Perhaps this is where WYP has something right.  The 1st M&G was from WYP and that babe absolutely showed up on time and looking hot to get her $100 "incentive."  I am not about to make that standard procedure for Seeking. But I will be thinking about what other type of incentive I can off to ensure a POT is motivated to show up.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

I wonder if this miraculous upswell in interest the guys have been reporting is the root.

Personally, I feel a girl that ghosts is disgusting.  Seems the excuses are: their BF found out, or what seems to be a reflection of the "click to move on" mentality of the newer generation in order to avoid conflict.

 
I don't do M&G...just invite them over with no preconceived notions.  Yes, that eliminates 3/4 of population but I never get a no show. I throw a few back into the bowl (of course paying full ppm) but that's rare.

 
This is your thread, so my current experience is not relevant, but just to say I had something like 9 POTs whom expressed an interest to meet.  I eliminated the far too young 18s, and two others bc the vibe was not there.   So far, two came over and two came over and over LOL  Unfortunately, i"m too old to keep up with this schedule, so I might try to partake with one one more and reconcile my situation.

As a matter of interest, do you actually talk to these girls, or just text, before the M&G? Or, even better have a video chat? A good video chat could even replace the M&G.

Sorry Herb.  I'm hurting here for you.  I'm 2 for 3 this weekend.  Had a last minute cancel with no explanation.  She's done this to me twice now.  Never met

It really seems like you've had a run of bad luck Herb, so sorry!  It happens.  I haven't had a no show in quite a while, but I def have had my share, and no doubt there's more to come.  You're clearly not doing anything wrong.  Probably your mercury is in retrograde or something.  Yeah, that's most likely it.

Highs and lows.  Feast or famine.  What's really helped me is if I  have a low moment,  Ive got many AMP ladies that are plan C. Currently Ive got two 30yo. Plan A And B. Lol.  A week ago I thought they were both done

Finaly! Finaly converted to BCD.  Was it worth the effort?  

 
She eventually replied full of apologies. It seems her phone service is off due to a past-due balance, and she can only text when on WiFi.  When she tried to find the address for Uber pick up she found the WiFi was off at the houseboat where she pet sits for a job.  

 
Plausible? Yes. Did I really want to deal with the implied PITA logistics of no cell service, no car, and no reliable "friend" to give her rides.  Most of you are shouting "Hell no!" But none of you are my dick (and that is a good thing!).  

 
I offered to have her come to my house the next day (yesterday) and gave her a flat offer: Get a ride to my place, BCD with my conditions, $300 allowance and I'll get her an Uber home after. I fully expected her to pass. But she accepted.  

 
Of course, her ride to my place bailed on her, and I ended up sending an Uber - a clear violation of the "do not pay in advance" rule. As I have said so many times, LA is HUGE. The Uber cost from the marina to the valley was $70 plus tip.  But I was committed to make this happen, given the low-ball allowance. She arrived, we chatted, she showered, we went BCD. It was... ok. After, I was feeling the post-nut high and decided to also cover her Uber back. Total for BBFSwCIM, BCD plus Uber expenses was $450. Not bad, but not great.  

 
Conclusion: Since her performance was merely adequate, and she's not likely to resolve her lack of a car or lack of cell service anytime soon, she gets added to my B-Rotation, at the bottom of the list (i.e.: Pussy of last resort).  

 
Next up, M&G with the 40-ish former fitness trainer/former escort this afternoon. I have no idea how this will go. But my expectations are low. I'm mostly doing this as an experiment to see if POT's over 40 are really viable. In the last several years, the answer has been "no."  But she brings skills and looks that are directly "on point" for a SB.  Worst case, I accumulate another 20 reward points on my Starbucks account.

 
And since one more of my WYP offers was accepted, dinner M&G (this will be #6 in 8 days) for $100 set for tomorrow evening. 31-year old South African fashion girl. I was able to vett her fairly well through reverse image searches and other tools. She says she is looking for long-term. But again, lives in Hollywood with no car, which is problematic. She may price herself out of my comfort range, but at least I'll get a great burger at one of my local favorites.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

Which gal did you have success with? Have completely lost track!

This was the 25-year-old skinny AA babe.  

 
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The Cat

This went really well, finally!  

 
Although she is well over my preferred age range at 43, she has a banging tight body with definition and solid rack, positive energy and great personality. Add to that, she is aware of and experienced with the Sugar Bowl and its mechanics, and we had a very productive meeting.   We set up a dinner + BCD date for Friday. Allowance on the high side, but she says she is ok with bringing that down to my preferred range if/when we decide to make it a regular thing. "Regular" in this case equals once or twice a month, which is perfect for me. She's down with my test results and all that implies, as well.  

 
So maybe I found the exception to my max 35 years rule. I guess I won't know for sure until she accepts date #2 at the reduced allowance.  

 
I did tell her that in my vetting process I found her pics on old escort ads. Of course I told her I have no problem with that, just wanted to let her know... she told me her pics from an old Photo Shoot as a fitness trainer were frequently ripped-off for while, and denied those ads were hers. I believe her, but either way I don't mind. I did not mention her 2 TER reviews from 2022 and 2023. I never mention TER to SB's, Strippers or providers (unless I found them on TER or they bring it up).  

 
One more M&G dinner tomorrow night. What a week and a half! I will leave my profiles on SA and WYP hidden for now.  If I end up with two new SB's, one for my A List and one for my B List, this will all be worth the effort and journey.  

 
If...  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

Congrats, Herb, as I predicted you were due for a home run! Although you are not yet 'in the saddle' it appears you soon will be!  

Personally I have had some of my best experiences with SB's that are between 35-45. The fact she has some experience and knows the 'lay of the land' [pun intended] can make for more lively encounters and you will have much to talk about sharing well-curated stories!  

I wish you luck with your new find and expect we'll be hearing about wonderful experiences with your new friend!

My last in the swarm of M&G's ( 6 in last 7 days) went textbook perfect!  

 
South African, 31, petite (4'11", maybe 94 lbs, oh Joy!), demure and sweet., I am the first POT she's met from WYP, though she has connected with 3 others (She blocked 2 for being douches, and the other ghosted). She lives in Hollywood, which is a bit far for me to be willing to drive or even pony up for an Uber two ways.  I suggested a meeting place in Sherman Oaks - about midway between us - and to my amazement she agreed and took the metro!  Can you imagine most of the entitled GPS POTs we see volunteering to take public transportation to a M&G?!!?  

 
Next, I arrived early as planned, and she did as well! Again, amazing!  

 
We grabbed a table and chatted while we had some beverages and lite bites.  The convo rolled along quite naturally, and it was easy to gather the key info I needed to craft an offer along the way.  I followed my negotiation script right down the line:  
1. Walk me through your major monthly expenses
2. Walk me through your current financial goals
3. Do the math to calculate the delta between her target need and current cash flow.  
4 Craft an offer that gets her to "X%" of her goal - close to (or over 100%) is optimal in "Y" meets per month at "Z" allowance per date.  

She was really only short about $600 a month for her critical needs (rent for a better place, reliable car + insurance, phone and food bill). So I offered half that per meet at 2x a month for dinner and BCD, plus extra help on occasion in various monetary and non-monetary ways.  It was like the sun rising over the trees. I think I could actually see her sigh of relief when she realized her goal just went from unobtainable to right in the palm of her hands.  

 
We discussed various logistics about BCD likes and boundaries, all good. I told her I could pay for a monthly Metro pass (do these exist?) and could pick her up from the station near me for our dates. I even gave her the link to my test lab and told her I'd pay for the first test.  

 
She's heading to NY this weekend for a work project. We will connect when she returns early next week, and I'll suggest we schedule our first within a few days after that assuming she has a fresh test result.  

 
To summarize my 6-M&G journey:  

 
1. Super hot brunette with "tits on a stick" body, but huge $1k ask. Pass.  
2. Former SB that ghosted and returned: No show, food poisoning.  
3. Super hot Indian babe. No show, then apologized and has now left the site.  
4. AA spinner had to shortcut by Ubering to me for BCD. Ok skills but low allowance. Now on my B-Roster.
5. Forty-three-year-old former fitness trainer (and NOT former escort). Banging body and face, good energy but upper range of allowance asking for one or two meets a month. Now on my A-List assuming 1st BCD goes well.  
6. Cute, demure, petite South African spinner. Now on my A-List assuming 1st BCD goes well.  

 
So all said and done, I batted a potential .500 conversion rate.  I'll take that any day in the Sugar Bowl.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

Excellent Herb! You are almost there! You said the key word "potential". As we've all found out, no matter how well the M&G goes, no matter how fruitful and enticing the promise, we're not on the scoreboard till we hit a win. I too have had some amazing M&G's where it seemed I'd found El Dorado, the fabled city of gold. [or should I call it El Vagino: The Fabled City of Endless Poon] I've had meets where I allowed my mind to lead me down a path of believing certain victory and the promise of untold hours of erotic ecstasy, only to vanish into thin air like a mirage.  

That being said, it's exciting meeting new attractive young women and entertaining the possibility of being able to help them with their financial goals. [And to line up some amazing pussy] I love your approach with specifically laying out asking about her goals and getting into the nitty gritty actual numbers to demonstrate how you will, in no uncertain terms, get them closer to their monetary requirements.

Herb, your excellent negotiation script is based on the assumption that the POT needs money.   Needs, not wants.  I too have found that offering a reliable extra source of income to a girl in need can def improve my chances of success.  However, some of the girls on seeking actually don't need money.  They already have a good job that meets all their financial needs.  But they WANT more, sometimes much more, to allow them luxuries.  I had 3 BCD dates recently with a girl like that, after which, she said she'd only continue if we doubled our ppm amount!  I'd been giving her 250, she wanted 500.  She said the amount I was giving her was barely 1/5 of what she was making from her job. It wasn't enough to make a significant difference in her standard of living.  I politely declined.  Otoh, we've all encountered girls whose needs are truly desperate, and I avoid those as well.  There's a sweet spot in between desperation and GPS,  generally populated by college girls working a crappy part time job, single moms trying to make ends meet, and others for whom a steady and fun way to get a reliable, modest extra source of income is just right.  Those are always the best bets!

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Spot on Papa Sweet!  

 
In my experience the "want" SB arrangements I have had tended to be less successful and ended sooner. That was why I eventually ended my arrangement with the Viet Spinner College gal.  At the beginning, she needed the cash. But after she graduated and started working decent jobs, her asks actually increased, while our BCD experiences became less enthusiastic.  I posted about this earlier this year, so I won't rehash it now.  This is one of the reasons I prefer to always have the wants vs needs discussion during or just after the M&G.  It sets baseline expectations for what I will and will not do.  

 
I think we may too often tend to just focus on what she will and will not do. That's important of course, as asking her to do something not originally agreed to can backfire with refusals, uncomfortable pressure or demands for additional gifts.  

 
And I agree on the sweet spot topic as well.  If she's just flat broke and constantly in emergency mode, you will be inundated with texts and pleas for cash beyond the expected allowance, often at 2:00 am! It gets old fast. Not saying I am unsympathetic of her situation. But sugaring at (my level at least) generally cannot solve all of her financial problems. It can help, but only to a certain point.  And on the other side, if she's just looking to fund luxuries above and beyond her current comfort level, that can work for a while and can be quite fun as we experience moments of the "baller" life together. But her motivation is generally centered more on WHAT she is doing then WHO she is with, and none of us feel good about being a generic, replaceable, bottomless ATM just along for the ride out of necessity.    

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

Friday (2 nights ago) was the big date. We met for dinner at an upscale restaurant and had a great meal. As negotiated, I provided half the allowance when we met. The other half would be provided when she headed home for the night.  

 
She had texted me the day before asking me to send her $150 in advance but did not say why. This was a huge disappointment, as it's right out of the scammer's playbook. Citing past burns I have endured; I politely let her know that I wasn't going to do that and would provide her gift at the end of the date. She cited past burns she has endured and asked if she could get it when we arrived at the restaurant.  

 
She went on to say this would only be for our first date - to build trust. I countered offering half at the restaurant, and the rest at the end (post BCD). She accepted.  Of course, that conversation mad me very wary, and I had internally debated just cancelling.  But this was the only (remaining) yellow flag and I decided to take the risk of losing half the allowance if she decided to bail.  I am glad I did.  

 
The food was excellent, and the conversation flowed easy, light and fun. The bill was about as expected.  Off to my place for dessert.  

 
She followed me home and the energy was good as we headed for the bedroom.  We had already swapped test results by text and so there was no hesitation to start the fun.  After an hour, she mentioned that she would need to leave soon as her kids would be getting home. I realized we had spent much more time at the restaurant than I had expected talking and "bonding." So we headed for the light at the end of the tunnel (pun intended) and soon arrived at the station, so to speak.  We tidied up and I gave her the envelope as she headed home. Before she left, seeming rather happy, we agreed that future allowance would be at the lower rate previously discussed. That is still on the high side for me, but at only 1-2 BCD's a month, I can stay on budget, especially if I aim a bit lower on restaurant choice for future dates.

 
PS1: I think I have the profile pics matching an old escort ad issue figured out. You may remember that I told her at the end of the M&G that I had found the ad with her pics. I also told her I'm not judging, just wanted to let her know in case she wants to use different pics. She told me she had done a photoshoot a while back for some marketing project and had seen her pics stolen shortly after.  I let it go as it didn't bother me either way, but there are some holes in that explanation. In addition, the email attached to those old ads is still active and leads back to an IG account of a different person. I chewed on this for a while and have a new theory: I got it backwards. I think my SB "borrowed" the escort ad pics for her profile in an attempt to protect her identity.  Another yellow flag, but now moot as we've met, gone BCD and all agreements have been fulfilled.  

 
PS2: Small post-BCD anecdote.  At 9:30 am the next day, she sent me the following text: "Morning see you at 12" I looked at it and did not immediately reply. I double checked my memory and our past text chat, and we definitely did not have a noon meeting scheduled for the day.  Now as usual, I have no problems with her having other SD's or regular dates, etc. My guess is she sent it to me by accident, and I was slightly amused at the thought of how she would explain it once she realized. After 15 minutes I replied with a question mark. She quickly replied noting "wrong person," and she was meeting her son at his basketball game at noon.  I smiled back and told her to have fun. For the SD's here with a wife or SO, a lot of time is spent discussing "OpSec" to ensure their sugaring stays on the DL.  But do we ever consider that SB's may need to develop good "OpSec" skills as well?  Maybe an interesting topic for a new thread.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

Congrats on the successful BCD! As predicted, a home run was in the making and you batted it out of the park! I share your concerns she asked for money up front as that would have discouraged most us. Thanks to your courage and gambling instincts it paid off. Here's to many more with her and a great string of great hits to 'come!'