I think if you totally don’t ask for pictures at all, you may seem weird assuming she hasn’t shared anything. If a girl doesn’t ask for my pics, I assume she’s a pro. I don’t know exactly what SBs think but I know they NEED those pics, especially the Instagram generation. So they are generally ready to share pics with you if you’re not creepy about it and don’t slobber over them.
I just ask what they look like if their SA photos are iffy. Otherwise, getting them in snap leads to more pictures than I usually give a shit about.I have a few questions being new to the bowl. I’m a long-term lurker on this forum and SA website but just got the premium membership and have begun to message SB.
1. Some pictures just look a bit too good to be true. I’ve asked for a candid with a distinctive feature, simple to supply before I go forward with a potential M&G. This seems reasonable to protect me from time wasters. Is that sensible and considered OK?
2. I have put my real age 65 and marital status “Open Relationship” on my profile. I very much would like to be honest, but is it costing me too many views. (I’m in a pretty remote place where there are not a lot of SB.)
3. I’m conflicted about saying how much money I have and make. Initially, I put down $1MM assets and $100k per year. This is substantially lower than actual, more like $5MM and $200 per year. My initial thinking was not to raise expectations too high but I now think I’m hurting my chances. What do you think?
4. I message a woman, she looks at my profile and doesn’t respond. Is there any percentage in trying again? Should I wait a while?
5. I’m 65 but in great shape and say that. I’m coming from the escort world and have a great time with younger ladies (25 y.o.) How do I indicate that I can have a great time behind closed door with younger women?
I’d like to thank all on this board for the help that they have given me. I will keep you posted on my progress and hopefully coming success.
Thanks.
Rick
My take for what its worth:
1. Can't hurt, but may put some girls off. In their defense, many of them do get bothered by 'game player' guys who ask for increasingly explicit pictures claiming the same rationale but have no intent of actually meeting or providing support. You may have to go through with some M&Gs to get to the truth of photos, but I think the same general rules that apply in the escort world apply here. Overly polished pictures that don't seem consistent with the situation or demographic should be a big red flag - its unlikely that a 'struggling' college girl looking for pay-per-meets in local hotels also had a photo shoot in a Malibu mansion.
2. How do you know this is costing you views? Doesn't seem like attributes that stand out negatively in the SA world.
3. Don't overthink it - half of these girls don't even know exactly what those figure represent. You have more money than them and are ready to share, that's what's important. Many guys recommend actually lowering your claims to avoid seasoned gold-diggers that target high net-worh/income men.
4. It's always worth a another try if the SB is really tempting you. The messaging system is quirky and girls in this demo live in the moment, so sometimes just catching their attention at a better time makes a difference.
5. I'd say just project confidence in your communication and during a M&G. Coming out and claiming that you're sure you can satisfy a younger woman will only give them a reason to question it.
To make it simple, I will just put my replies as reactions to those of AsmodeusJones:
1. I think asking for more pictures can hurt, and it might put them off, especially if you want something explicit. The normal SB protocol is a public meeting first (lunch, dinner, or coffee) - their version of screening. You will see what she looks like for real without too much expense or time commitment. I have rarely had any issues with fake or old photos (actually just one - the photos were real, but she had gained a lot of weight quickly).
2. Men are obsessed with age; women aren't. They are more likely to have a minimum age, which may well be above their own age, than a maximum age. If they are put off by having someone old enough to be their grandfather with them (many are just fine with this), you want to find that out before the first date.
3. Agree. They want to see that income/assets are enough for you to treat them well. The real gold-diggers will be very upfront about wanting 20K per month or whatever. If you aren't up for that, they will probably appreciate being told that from the outset so that you can both move on without wasting each others' time.
4. Move on if she doesn't respond. She knows how to use a computer or phone, probably better than you do. I would at least wait a while (say, a couple of weeks) if she really intrigues you.
5. If your area is like mine (a very big metro area, so maybe it isn't), most of the SBs are in the 18-25 year old range. I have never met a woman who felt that her youth was a disadvantage, so they would probably assume that their age is an asset regardless of your age.
If your problem is not getting enough responses, I would be wary of chasing away those who do respond with additional picture asks. Your strategy should be "closing" Coffee's for closers. Opt for meetings quickly.
If your goal is one and done, then lies for 2 and 3 wouldn't matter. If you want a long term arrangement, best to start out on an honest footing. Frankly I see no good coming from falsely overstating your wealth. Those who are exclusively motivated by that are going to balk when you go low on the arrangement bid anyhow. Wasting everyone's time.
For 4 if you are hitting the best looking babes, they probably get a lot of messages.
Sorry to be cynical, but for #5, the great time they really want is putting all that cash in their bank account.
I get them on Snapchat and send pics in return for theirs. Some immediately send tits when they see that I’m attractive compared to their average tinder date.
If you have pics of yourself with younger women, share them, maybe not in your SA profile, but over Snapchat for sure. Think of ways to do this nonchalantly. Like if you’re talking about a past trip or potential threesome. I have a whole story around this that puts the young ones at immediate ease and highlights how good the sex can be.
I’ve spammed some really hot girls’ accounts within reason and gotten results. The reality is that you get buried by dozens of messages a day and sometimes you gotta bump yourself to the top of the list. One girl looked and ignored me 3 times but our profiles were thorough and perfect matches so I thought of clever things to message her and get her attention. Turns out, she looked and didn’t see a face pic so she ignored me the first 3 times the way she always does going through 100 messages. The fourth time, she read the actual profile and saw my private pics so she responded and we’ve gone bcd.
Don’t mention escorts on SA unless you run into one and need to negotiate cause you want to fuck her anyways.
The amount your putting for salary and worth are probably too low given your age but up as a girl in your area and see where you land. Obviously, you don’t want to be Mr. whale daddy, but you don’t want to look poor compared to the average 30 year old inflating his income either. You might have to overpay as a 65 year old compared to younger guys, at least for the first time.
I have found I by far have the best responses when I,
1. Never ask for more pictures, I use the M&G to verify, or many times, the pictures come naturally in some way anyway
2. Never discuss how beautiful they are. They here this All. The. Time. They are SBs instead of Pro's, imo, mainly because they want someone they connect with and find attractive (which for women isn't always about looks), they can get any guy to tell them how hot they are.
It's a risk and has indeed led to multiple M&G catfish incidents, but I feel like many times when I have commented on how they looked or asked for more pictures, they quickly became disinterested. I've also been able to google out some info/pics/fb profile/etc once I have a phone number as well.
For your #4 point, I also agree sometimes a second message is worth it, I've had a few times where I checked in again on someone and got a response the second time. I think what happens is sometimes they think they have a better offer and when that turns out to be a scam or whatever BS, they go back to those previous they thought might be good fits.
For your #5, when it feels right and appropriate, I say things like "I am only having fun in the bedroom when you are".
The PUA advice I see online says you should "neg hit" hot looking chicks because they aren't used to guys who don't slobber over their looks. On the other hand, it's less rewarding to "neg hit" more average girls, as they've already been rejected by hot guys because of their non-10 looks.
Good point, there is a point where it swings the other way. Just gotta feel that out, imo, you can eventually get a feel when they have low self esteem, then you lay on the praise.
I think if you totally don’t ask for pictures at all, you may seem weird assuming she hasn’t shared anything. If a girl doesn’t ask for my pics, I assume she’s a pro. I don’t know exactly what SBs think but I know they NEED those pics, especially the Instagram generation. So they are generally ready to share pics with you if you’re not creepy about it and don’t slobber over them.
I just ask what they look like if their SA photos are iffy. Otherwise, getting them in snap leads to more pictures than I usually give a shit about.
Thanks for all the wonderful advice. Here’s what I got out of it.
• Coffee is for closers. The quicker and more women you get to coffee the more women you get BCD.
• Asking for pictures may turn off women, so see #1 and don’t do it.
• I don’t yet mind going to coffee with someone so the risk of being catfished is the cost of a cup of coffee and my time. If my attitude changes about meet and greets I may ask for pictures.
• There is no hard answer to how whether to fudge the income and assets up or down or just right.
• For me, being older, 65, there is no reason to underreport my financials. Also, I have no problem being relatively generous and no problems understanding my budget and sticking to it.
• Again, being older I may have to go higher with PPM at least to start.
• These things take time. I live in a relatively rural area so it may take even more time.
• No point in lying about my marital status if I want a long term relationship and I do.
• Checking in with someone who didn’t respond or the conversation died out before a meet and greet is fine. All they can do it ignore you again.
• Don’t mention my visiting escorts.
• I love the line “I’m only having fun in the bedroom if you are.”
Thanks again.
Finally had my first M&G with a girl that I thought about asking for pictures because she looked to good to be true. Took everyone's advice and focused on getting to the M&G.
She was a little late but seemed very interested so I stuck with it. My plan was to take her to lunch, give her a $50 gift card, then head off to my afternoon appointment.
She was so young looking that I asked to see her ID; she just turned 19. Spinner with long blond hair. TER 8, but how I like 'em.
Long story short, quick lunch to BCD. I'm now sure she's semi pro, but that's not a problem for me. She says she likes longer stays and said no to little.
I think I'm going to like the sugar thing.