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The Erotic Highway

A lot of this is regional and I don't know where you live
GaGambler 112 reads
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I do recall you stating that you are in a "Top Ten MSA" that is "progressive" with several colleges nearby. I guess the most likely places are Boston or Philly. Atlanta and Miami aren't really that progressive, and for some reason you don't sound like you are in SF. So for the sake of argument lets say you are in a place like Boston.

 
A typical hottie in Boston will get around $400-500 for a multi hour date that includes BCD. I take it that her time will be her own except for a few hours on Friday and a few hours on Sunday and that she has friends in the area to keep her amused for the rest of the time she'll be spending "in town", I also assume that you have paid for a hotel for her and that she is NOT staying with you.  

 

Under these circumstances I would say a grand would be VERY generous since she most likely is going to spend most of her time hanging with the same GF and not simply hanging around her hotel room waiting for you.  

 
Here is my suggestion. Give her $2-300 Friday and tell her "this is so you'll have money on you while you're here, and I'll give you your "surprise" on Sunday" Then depending on how much you enjoy your BCD time with her, give her what you consider fair on Sunday before she leaves. Not knowing how much she is actually going to get should help to ensure you get her BEST, and it also makes it less transactional than "half now, half on Sunday" Plus it was her idea for you to surprise her. This way you can always give her more if she rocks your world, and you aren't locked into a set amount if the weekend turns into a dud.

ShockBoogie1762 reads

A college SB that I've been developing over the last several weeks is driving up this weekend for the sole purpose of spending time BCD.  We've exchanged multiple emails, text messages, phone calls and a nice dinner before Christmas when she visited to hang with a girlfriend.  Great kisser and phenomenal body.

Here is the question.  She will arrive Friday and depart on Sunday evening.  I will provide lodging for the 3 nights with planned BCD activity Friday night and Sunday late afternoon ( I am not available on Saturday).  I've inquired regarding an arrangement fee and she stated "surprise me".  

How would you handle this?  Clearly I'm thinking a PPM below my standard rate as she is a new and an unknown entity.  Thinking I should gift her half on Friday night and the remainder on Sunday.  

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GaGambler113 reads

I do recall you stating that you are in a "Top Ten MSA" that is "progressive" with several colleges nearby. I guess the most likely places are Boston or Philly. Atlanta and Miami aren't really that progressive, and for some reason you don't sound like you are in SF. So for the sake of argument lets say you are in a place like Boston.

 
A typical hottie in Boston will get around $400-500 for a multi hour date that includes BCD. I take it that her time will be her own except for a few hours on Friday and a few hours on Sunday and that she has friends in the area to keep her amused for the rest of the time she'll be spending "in town", I also assume that you have paid for a hotel for her and that she is NOT staying with you.  

 

Under these circumstances I would say a grand would be VERY generous since she most likely is going to spend most of her time hanging with the same GF and not simply hanging around her hotel room waiting for you.  

 
Here is my suggestion. Give her $2-300 Friday and tell her "this is so you'll have money on you while you're here, and I'll give you your "surprise" on Sunday" Then depending on how much you enjoy your BCD time with her, give her what you consider fair on Sunday before she leaves. Not knowing how much she is actually going to get should help to ensure you get her BEST, and it also makes it less transactional than "half now, half on Sunday" Plus it was her idea for you to surprise her. This way you can always give her more if she rocks your world, and you aren't locked into a set amount if the weekend turns into a dud.

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ShockBoogie107 reads

I am in the DC area.  Thank you for the great advice....as always.  She is a brand new SB and making it less transactional will likely pay future dividends.

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NuckyT97 reads

Greatly appreciate this thread. Looking for advice on how to transition to BCD/SD. I have been a monger for years but never SD.  Have never been a regular of any lady always 1 or 2 dates and move on. I tend to prefer multi hours which get expensive. I have seen a local lady 3 times now (Southeastern MSA) and would like to continue as SD to increase volume and save $$. Her escort rate is 400/90 500/2hr. One of her ads days she is open to SB. Curious on your thoughts on situation and in general how to dip my toe in the SB pool. Much appreciated.

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GaGambler111 reads

A $300 hr hooker most likely will consider $5,000 a month for a once a week multi hour date a "bargain" while an SB that you find off of a site like SA will most likely be thrilled with a third that much.

 
My advice is to start reading the many threads on the subject on this board. Most of the issues you are going to run into have been discussed here. IMO the worst advice on the Sugar World is the advice you will get from hookers. The best advice is the advice you will get right here from the likes of Sweetman, Herbcat and a few of the other regular posters here. Good luck and feel free to keep asking questions as you navigate the Sugar Bowl

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ShockBoogie90 reads

I was a veteran of the Hooker world.  Had a great time and gathered/shared advice and intel from this site.  Then had a 5-year work affair.  Couldn't go back to Hookers as desired something more "organic".  Discovered SA  & SB's and failed miserably until I wandered over to this board.  Right under my nose on a site that I've read and posted for years was everything I needed to learn to thrive in the Sugar World.  Having the time of my life!!!!

Read, study, figure out what works in your geography...and enjoy!  Then share your successes and failures to help others.

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sweetman101 reads

as I read your post I did assume that she was staying with you for the 3 nights.  If that's true you are not incurring any hotel costs which might change things.  I also assumed from my possibly inept reading that she's spending the nights with you. but maybe not??  I would consider whatever is a normal rate for your area and then double it if she's going BCD twice with you.  But if it's a true overnight date, she might deserve more.  Tell us more details and we'll give more advice.

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ShockBoogie80 reads

I am providing the lodging.  Nice place, 4.5 stars, about $125/night on weekends.  I will see her this evening and Sunday, but not for overnight visits.  She will spend Saturday with her girlfriends,  This SB is driving up from her college 3-4 hours away, so not from the DC market.  

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herbtcat80 reads

I think GaGa put you on the right track.  But consider a few things now that we better understand the lodging situation:  
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From her perspective, you just saved her $400 in hotel (add tax, etc.) bills.  That's like putting $400 in her pocket - although there is a counter-argument that if you were not paying, she would find a cheaper hotel.  
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Since she's on her own except for two multi-hour sessions with you, you could think of your "usual" single BCD rate X 2 and then pay the balance of that after you "spiff" her on day one.  
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As for the surprise, this may be a good time to think about alternates/hybrids from straight cash.  Maybe take her shopping Sunday morning for a gift - shoes, purse, sunglasses, make up (SB's love Sephora - high end cosmetics store in most malls). By presenting her a gift + cash (say $200 for the gift, plus another $300 for the cash out) you'll net less out of pocket but generate a lot of goodwill from her new special Daddy. It's not a strategy I generally use for 1st time BCD, but the surprise aspect opens the door for a creative approach. Take her for brunch, buy the gift, then take her back to the room and go balls deep before checkout. (Hint: Request later check out from the hotel front desk if available  - usually a small fee of $50 - if you need more time).  
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Whatever happens, it sounds fun!
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Life is good
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The Cat

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ShockBoogie67 reads

Took GaGa's advice.  Brought dinner to the room, enjoyed Friday evening and gifted $300 with parting words  "I'll see you Sunday and will have your surprise".  Minimal contact on Saturday.  Saw her midday Sunday and she modeled the new shoes she purchased.  Had a great multi hour romp and gifted her $400.

She has already planned to spend part of her spring break with me.

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GaGambler97 reads

In the famous words of Hannibal Smith, "I love it when a plan comes together"  

 
Congratulations on having a great time.

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sweetman80 reads

OK I'm a cheap bastard and I know it.  And both Herb and Gambler have given you good advice.  But I'm adding this up and I see, 200 for a gift, 300 cash, 400 for hotel:, and you just spent 900 bucks for 2 bcd dates, and that's not counting any drinks, dinner or incidentals that may easily accumulate.  I don't know, seems like way too much money. For comparison I've got plans for a visit with one of my college cuties tomorrow.  She's 5"9", slim, blonde and beautiful as any model I've seen in any magazine.  She drives up from her college an hour away, delivers her pussy right to my front door and fucks my brains out.  For 200.  Maybe what seems normal to me does not translate to other locales, or maybe I'm just really lucky right now.  But damn, $900 plus for 2 dates seems excessive.

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herbtcat90 reads

You need to calibrate for the Metro DC area, which is expensive. Given the high density competition of rich lobbyists, lawyers, and other white collar workers in the area, $900 all-in isn't that bad.  Plus, if they agree to set up a recurring thing, he can easily set up a bi-weekly or weekly deal at 300-350 ppm with her, then DoorDash Dennys to the hotel before he ploughs her 6 inches into the mattress.  
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The last time I was in the BWI area, I set up 3 M&G's, one per day with 21-24 year old college babes.  The 21-year old turned out to be 18 and was trying to use a fake ID to get her into bars for M&G's. (Ironic that she failed to realize that being 18 - as opposed to 21 - would have easily inflated the sugar I'd offer by 25%.)  The ask I got from each started at $500, and I had to talk them down to $350-$400 claiming I'd be in town for work at least twice a month for the next year.  Of course I had no plans to return any time soon. :) So I left a load in each of the three babes and flew home a very happy Cat.  
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And yes, you are really lucky.  :P  
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Life is good.
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The Cat

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GaGambler132 reads

That said, the market is what the market is. You'd be amazed how many girls in my small city are THRILLED to get $100 a couple of times a week for a romp in the hay with me, or who have spent overnights with me for only a couple of hundred and were as happy as can be. Now if that was my offer in DC I would be spending a LOT of time alone I am sure. lol

 
As the saying goes "it is  what it is" and as long as both parties are happy I guess that's all that counts.

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Guarddog11179 reads

Interesting thread.

I'm in the DC area and it sounds pretty inexpensive to me. Even though you're counting the hotel, that is not a 'benefit' to her. It's like adding in the gas for your car. (She had the privilege of riding in your nice car).  

Search P411 (I know, the GSP site), but the $900 is easily two dates for an hour each. This was also the first date.

I see the argument. That being said I'm a horrible negotiator.

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GaGambler71 reads

But this is NOT a hooker that we are talking about.

 
If the girl is coming "mainly" to see her GF then the hotel most definitely is a "benefit" for her. We aren't talking about a $400 hr hooker coming all the way to see "just him" we are talking a college girl who get to come visit her friend for free AND make a months worth of spending money to boot. Completely different circumstances.

 
She was happy, he was happy, sounds like everyone involved was a winner.  

 
My advice if you are a horrible negotiator in the Sugar Bowl is to let HER make the offer first. Oftentimes her ask is going to be a lot less than you would have offered coming from the hooker world. If you feel guilty about paying her too little, than just give her as much extra as your conscience demands AFTER you've had your great time. I will warn you however that being TOO generous in the Sugar World can be like being too generous in the civvie world, it can actually backfire on you and you'll create a money grubbing monster who will want more and more and give less and less because of your "generosity" This even happens in the hooker world. I have had a LOT of hooker girlfriends who routinely make fun of and demean the guys that try to "buy their love" by throwing money at them. They might smile to your face, but secretly they are NOT impressed.

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herbtcat77 reads

Probably worth noting that, in addition to GaGa's advice, the "hooker fee" is typically for an hour (double that for 2 hours?), while the SB "allowance" typically includes a multi-hour/multi-pop session, perhaps even an overnight. So if you think about your cash out of pocket in terms of value to you, you are (depending on your own values, of course) getting a multiplier from sugar spend. For example, if you spend 4 hours with a SB that includes BCD time, you will generally need to pay 4 times that amount for a similar "session" with a hooker.  
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Of course, if you prefer to get off and get out, you will save time and (probably) money by sticking to the hooker world.  
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Life is good
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The Cat

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ShockBoogie86 reads

The new 4.5 star hotel in a district with restaurants, shopping and people watching was absolutely a benefit.  Daily cleaning service and free breakfast definitely beats the dorm and her girlfriends place.  

Young, tight enthusiastic body and no clock watching.  The value equation firmly was firmly in my favor.  To me the hooker world is a thing of the past.  But to each his own and that's a topic for another thread.

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Guarddog11183 reads

I'm in the world of paying them to go away. In the hooker world, I have lots of off the clock time. I've had numerous times when the girl has fallen asleep on my shoulder for the night. I've had girls get sweet on me and want more - like wanting to date. I don't get it, but I'm not complaining either.  

My worry in the SB world is the same. Women seem to get hooked on me, and then become stalker-like. What keeps me away from the SB world.

And yes, I've learned somewhat the hard way that people take advantage of you (mainly on the East Coast) if you're too generous. Treat a girl like shit (not abusive), and ignore them, and they cling even harder to you.  Weird shit I tell you.

Appreciate the perspectives, interesting.

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lester_prairie71 reads

I'm not the handsome type that women fall for, but it is easy to get SB types who really need the money, some are practically  homeless.  You can't pay them to go away ... it's the pay that keeps them coming back.   It's hard to toss them to their fate, but really, I can't be a one man welfare agency for every chick down on her luck.

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GaGambler120 reads

Part of it has to do with the point that Guarddog makes. Women like men who have a spine and they can't respect a guy who is a jellyfish, "treating them like shit" without being abusive of course often has the very effect that he mentions. So many of these women have so many guys constantly kissing their ass that they can't respect any man who does so. so when a man doesn't chase them, it tends to draw them in because they aren't accustomed to it.

 
I don't know when Guarddog figured this out, but I started noticing this way back in my twenties with strippers, the absolute WORST way to a strippers heart is to throw money at her, it might get her attention, but it will get you the WRONG type of attention as she will only see you as a mark. Strippers only seem to fall for guys that "treat them like shit" and most women to varying degrees are the same. Yes, you can be a nice guy, but just like children they WANT someone to set limits and the moment you start putting up with their bullshit is the moment they lose all respect for you.

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