My current arrangement is not even an arrangement:  I'm banging my former SB on an ad-hoc basis at $300 a throw.  Here's all you need to know about her:  three years ago, she was a cheerleader at one of the biggest & wealthiest high schools in my state (I googled her after our first date).  Not the type of type of girl you'd typically meet on P411 or Backpage, lol.  She's exactly what you'd think:  drop-dead beautiful (brunette),  high maintenance, and a bit of a pill.  I wish I could tell you that she's sweet, but she's not.  She's a mean girl, this one; think Megan Fox in "Jennifer's Body".    

 And I'm not a patient man--I have zero tolerance for drama.   As you can imagine, our original  arrangement ($400 a week), was volatile & short-lived.  I dropped her last summer, but that's not a problem for Miss SB.  She can easily replace someone like me, & she has.  She also has a BF her own age (amazingly handsome--the two of them could be on the cover of Vogue).  I'm now the "other guy", unknown to her BF, unknown to her current SD.  It's not a bad place to be.  

 You might think that Miss SB is a high end escort, but you won't meet her on P411, guys.  That's not where this tigress hunts.  She gets everything she needs from the arrangement sites.  She'll text me for a hookup when she needs extra cash, which is often. I'll sometimes look at my P411 board, just to see what's available. But I tell you dudes:  the P411 roster in my home town sucks.  Half the girls on there I wouldn't fuck for free: Old, heavy, road-worn, it's amazing what guys will pay for.   The rest?  On a scale of 1-10, the top half of the local p411 girls are a pack of 7s.  There's the occasional 8, who will soon move to a bigger market.  Miss SB is a 9.5.  She totally obliterates my local P411 board.  

 Miss SB cuts my hair now--she's a hair stylist.  She's good at it--my hair is unruly & hard to cut.  Most girls botch it, she doesn't.  When I text her to get a haircut, that means fucking & haircut.  Sex = $300, hair cut = $40 (with tip), lol.   She always offers to cut my hair for free, but I always pay for the haircut. I respect the fact that she has a real job, and she does it well.  And that's where we are.  

 I really enjoy fucking this goddess.  And I  feel very sorry for any guy who'd fall in love with her.  Guys on this board often fall in love with girls like her.  Here's the play:  when you fall in love with a tigress, you will get eaten.  There will be nothing left of you but a dried carcass, once she's through, lol.  --

or do you do more open end no clock sessions?

If the latter, do you do dinner?

I had always thought that SB/SD is more like the latter.

Inquiring minds want to know.

When you live in an area that has major universities, there is always is the potential to find arrangements similar to what you describe. I've done it twice and both times it was well worth it.  Yes, the girls are totally UTR and surprisingly very low maintenance.  One I saw for a few months, she was new to town and trying to get herself established.  She would contact me when she was in need of some assistance.  For someone who was only 19, she was a tigress

The other was a local who I saw for an entire school year.  We saw each other every other week.  This one was a bit more reserved at first.  I don't think she had much experience.  Once we started seeing each other, she was more open to try different things.  

Both were a total pleasure to be with.  What made it easy for both of them was the fact that I was flexible schedule wise since I didn't want to interfere with the studies. Something that they both appreciated.

 
 In the sugar bowl, there's no ticking clock.  After hooking up for sex, going out for lunch or dinner is fairly common.  When dealing with an SB, you never talk "hourly rate " or "number of pops".   That's hooker talk, so stay clear of it.  When I first started in the sugar bowl, I described my relationship with my ATF as "An intimate arrangement...we'd meet once a week..and I gave her an allowance of $350 per week".   Be careful with your phrasing & word choices when talking to an SB on that first date.   She's ok with a cheating husband or a single guy who's unhappy with his choices.  But if she gets a whiff that you're a John looking for a quick trick, then you're dead in the water.  

  Having said that, most of my arrangements are typically a once-a-week hookup that will last anywhere from 2 to 3 hours.  You fuck an SB like you fuck your girlfriend--until she's sore or until you're tired, whichever comes first.  The sex is usually much better--remember, she chose you.  Your time together is usually open ended...for me, 2 to 3 hours is a long time. You'll stop thinking about the clock, which is really nice.  --

 I laughed at the line above, because I knew what was coming.  I live in a university town, and the College SBs have blown up the arrangement sites.  A few items regarding College SBs:

1.  College SBs love sushi.  You'll go to a lot of sushi restaurants, steak & potato guy.  I'd recommend getting a bottle of lychee sake to wash it all down.  She'll love the sake, and she has a fake id for the occasion.  

2.  She wears skin-tight jeans that are $150 a pair.  And you thought Levi's were getting expensive.   You'll buy her those $150 jeans.  And she'll want some $70 yoga pants...that look a lot like your $10 Gap sweatpants.  

3.  She drives way too fast and gets speeding tickets.  You'll pay for her tickets, daddy.  Tell her to slow-the-fuck down.  

4.  She has a boyfriend--most SBs do.  But a college SB desperately needs to convince you that she's exclusive to you.  So one more time:  she has a boyfriend.  

5.  She won't listen to an album, no.  She has a playlist or she's streaming Pandora.  

6.  Her cell phone--she loves it more than you can possibly imagine.  And it's always cracked, damaged or on the brink of total destruction.  You'll buy her a new one, daddy.  --z

Hahaha.  Yep, that list sums up what one can expect when dealing with a college SB.  Thankfully I never had to contend with that.  I was very lucky

 HC: I'm glad you had the  "College SB" experience.  The girls are smart & fun.   But I'm surprised you didn't encounter *anything* I mentioned.  Don't you think your SBs had boyfriends?  See your post below:
    I smell "boyfriend" right here.  You didn't want to interfere with her studies?   For a college student, class time is rigidly scheduled: a full time student usually has classes three days a week for half a day. She would've told you her class schedule up front.  Class time = predictable.  Study time = flexible.  What's not predictable or flexible is her boyfriend's demands on her time.   --z

Both of them were very fun to be with.  The first one was a little package of dynamite.  She was upfront that she only wanted to this for a short time.  I had no qualms with it.  

The second one, the one I saw for a year I'm fairly certain she didn't have a boyfriend.  Was I 100% certain, no.  I will say that after she transferred, she would contact me when she was home on break.  During one of those breaks, I found out she was dating someone.  So when she contacted me during one of those breaks to meet up, I declined.  That was more for her benefit than mine.

 The "second one" is the College SB you saw once every two weeks...and you're "fairly certain" she was exclusive to you.  If we were in Vegas, I'd bet my bank account the other way.  At least you're honest enough to admit that she picked up a BF along the way.  My take: she always had one.  

 That's not a knock against your SB.  There's nothing more natural than a 20 year old girl fucking a 20 year old guy.  Our species depends upon it, lol.   What goes against nature: a 20 something female remaining chaste for an SD/client who pays to fuck her twice a month.  The human heart doesn't work that way.  I'm sure she liked you--and was attracted to you in some way.  But exclusive to you?  We can't afford such delusions.  

 I've had half a dozen College SBs over the last three years. And I've dropped them all within a few months.  I *always   assume that she has a BF and another SD.   Here's the play: when an SB pushes me aside & can't meet for whatever excuse, I'll take the hit one time.  If she repeats that again within a short period of time, we're done.  Sample text below:  

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 SB: Why don't you want to meet anymore?  

 Z:  Whoever you're spending your time with needs to take care of you now.  

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As I stated, I was fairly certain.  Am I 100% certain, I would have to be delusional to believe that.  How I found out she had a BF was interesting to say the least.    

She must have liked me sufficiently enough because she would stay for a few hours when we say each other.  She was always texting me, always asked for my opinion on various topics.  She even once left a gift at my doorstep for me on Valentine's Day.  I like to think I treated her well.  

I haven't gone that route since.  I'm back to the more traditional way.

I am sort of "seeing" a working hooker right now. I KNOW she likes me because I stopped paying her months ago, and we talk several times a day, but is she "faithful" in the traditional sense? Of course not, I did say that she is a "working hooker" so it's her job to fuck other guys, which I am ok with because she isn't trying to hide it from me.

Now lets say I didn't know she was a hooker, how would I possibly know that she wasn't being faithful? We rarely go more than a few hours without at least a text message, she sees me for several hours or even days at a time, I could easily delude myself into thinking that I am the only one, but I would be wrong. lol

For the record, I am quite content with what we have, since she works and sees other guys I am completely free to fuck who ever I want. Seeing her actually costs less than a civvie GF, with none of the baggage, so what's not to like?

I believe if you re-read the first two sentences of my statement, it clarifies my thought

 You're referring to the two clarifying sentences below:    You saw her once every two weeks.  How you could be "fairly certain" about anything.  She's P4P, for Chrissakes.  
If you posted this on the GD board, you would get flamed.    

  My brother, there's nothing interesting about an SB having a BF.  What's astonishing = your original assumptions about her.     A provider will sometimes do all of the above.  She's called an ATF.  OTC time, check.  Unsolicited texts, check.  I'm surprised that an experienced guy like you would make these newbie arguments.  You must have loved this SB.  She got you completely turned around.  --

And as I read other forums and monger sites, I think this is becoming a solid new thing.   While I tend to stay away from this due to potential drama, I can certainly see how it is a valid model and I am looking forward to seeing where it goes

Let me clarify. It was after she transferred that I learned she had a BF at her new school. Was I 100% certain she didn't while she was with me, no.  

Was I new to this world when I met her, actually I was.  I'm just conveying my experience. Nothing more, nothing less.

Since then, I've not gone that route and don't see myself doing it again. I enjoy having the ability to meet different women at my convenience.

Drama ? Anytime you open your yap, its potential Drama, so how do you stay away from that ?

Whenever you're seeing a girl on a regular basis (SB/ATF),  the potential for drama goes up exponentially.  OTOH, there are many benefits, as you can imagine.  You need to exercise some judgment before you enter a sugar arrangement.  Ask yourself:  Am I willing to put up with some drama in order to bed this SB on a regular basis.  It's been a while since I was single, but I remember asking myself the same question when selecting a girlfriend.    

 If an SB becomes too demanding, then you'll need to drop her--at least on a temporary basis.  "Let's not see each other for a while" is a text I've had to send to more than one SB.   She may contact you a month or two after the split, with a promise to play nice.  And that make up sex is always hot, lol.  

 Just remember:  the problems you had the first time around will crop up again.  --z

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Maybe there's not much to choose from in your area.  In LA there is infinite variety at the same price.  I don't see the upside of SB arrangements.

read this post.  
I do my own arrangements with sugar daddies, but those are actually more expensive then a regular call rate.  
If we exchange text messages, phone calls, pictures, videos, private time, come to my house, and have a relationship like BF& GF I expected to have more $$$ covering that OTC time.  

Responding to text messages, phone calls, etc requires time and dedication.

I am way more expensive as a sugar baby, girlfriend than an escort

  I've never disputed that a guy will spend more $$$ on an SB than a provider he sees once in a while.   Here's the problem:  You're on TER, P411 and all kinds of other escort sites.  So you'd be quickly outed on many of the sugar sites, including mine.  

 Another thing: at age 30, you're a bit mature for an SB.  With the College SB wave, there are lots of girls a decade younger than you on the sugar sites.   That doesn't mean you can't have a quasi-sugar relationship with your favorite client(s).  --z

Very interesting read Z.
Thank you for posting.
I tried the SD thing after stumbling across a SB on another site. She was really nice, but was uncomfortable with my home life. I tried again with another young lady, but she found out all my personal information and made me feel threatened when I wanted to call it quits. I was a little over my head to say the least.
Live and learn.

 I'm sorry those two arrangements didn't work out.  I'd encourage you to post a thread here about what happened.  That sounds like interesting drama.  I'd like to read about it, if you feel comfortable in posting it.  Often times, when you write about a difficult & intimate experience, everything comes back into sharp focus. That forces you to reassess what happened, and what motivated you to take certain actions.  It helps you get past it. --z