I understand that there are several facets that work together in creating a great sexual experience with both professionals and civies.

I assumed that a provider with a great attitude would be more proficient with their technique whether oral or intercourse, especially their movement and skill during intercourse, than a civie.

Deliberate practice makes perfect right . . .?

As I reflect over the providers I have been with (higher end escorts with top reviews) I do find some that are incredible (two) and most have been average to above average. Yet the absolute best has been two civies.

I'm curious what some of the guys on here have experienced. I am not meaning any disrespect towards any of the providers, I am thinking I need to do my research in a different way.

I am looking specifically for someone that knows how to move their hip rhythem in addition to thrusting, and reposition their body while thrusting for maximum stimulation., while varying speed and depth. Rather than just doing the stroke and poke.

Now with that said...let me close by saying, I need to practice what I am preaching, and I know I have a lot to learn, and need to improve my magic stick technique. I am probably a lousy lay

If you're looking for a provider to gaze into your eyes and stroke your hair, I won't be the one lol. There are certain things I simply can't fake in this arena, as they are only things I do naturally with someone I am really interested in being with more than sexually. I fk and suck d*ck the same way I would with anyone, but other things are different. Kissing for one.

You may have great sex with a professional high end companion but it will pale in comparison to making love to her as a civvie.

We women are weird that way

Lina

Thanks for your post, and I totally understand and agree.

I am not talking about kissing, stroking hair or the intinamcy one would share with their love.

I am talking about hip flexibility and movement rather than staright as a board stroke and poke.

Some women (civies) seem to think sex is sex.....but there is a certain motion and technique that raises the experience from average to....holy shit ....she knows how to move and respond.

Thanks again London!

Point well taken. Thank you.

With the exception of one, I wouldn't rate the performance of the other 5-6 civies I've know any higher than a 6, with 4-5 being the more common.

It's not so much attitude either (although that does count with an SO who has been around too long.) but I don't think most civie gals know what to do to please a guy.

Good providers, on the other hand, do know what works as their livlihood depends on it.

As LR said, many (Though there are exceptions.) will forgo certian things that are too personal to do with a stranger, but overall they put their heart and soul into doing what they know merits good reviews and return clients.

I'm a big fan of those hip movements you mention.  They really make a session come alive.

That are truly attracted/emotionally involved with their partners. Not saying it can't be found in the hobby. Civvies choose to be with a guy, a guy they are attracted to, have chemistry with. If you have not found this in your hobby life, but with civvies, I can only see those two areas as the difference...at least at this point and this is really only a guess.

who could physically perform in all sexual positions VERY well.I guess you could say she is a spinner..She has the moves down and throws in a little flirty talk, however, I wasn't buying it. Everything was perfunctory. Too bad because she is such an awesome chick personality-wise.

The next month I saw a mid 30's provider.She is not a spinner and does not have the moves like the other lady(more like a civvie. just two positions) but she was sooooo sensual. It was hot, hot, hot!

Posted By: BourbonScotch

I understand that there are several facets that work together in creating a great sexual experience with both professionals and civies.

I assumed that a provider with a great attitude would be more proficient with their technique whether oral or intercourse, especially their movement and skill during intercourse, than a civie.

Deliberate practice makes perfect right . . .?

As I reflect over the providers I have been with (higher end escorts with top reviews) I do find some that are incredible (two) and most have been average to above average. Yet the absolute best has been two civies.

I'm curious what some of the guys on here have experienced. I am not meaning any disrespect towards any of the providers, I am thinking I need to do my research in a different way.

I am looking specifically for someone that knows how to move their hip rhythem in addition to thrusting, and reposition their body while thrusting for maximum stimulation., while varying speed and depth. Rather than just doing the stroke and poke.

Now with that said...let me close by saying, I need to practice what I am preaching, and I know I have a lot to learn, and need to improve my magic stick technique. I am probably a lousy lay

Thanks for your post. Yep....those hip movements. That is what inspired me to post this thread. I'm looking for a provider that is the master of those movements...yahoo!

Thanks for your feedback! Yes, I did use condoms with civies. I do get nervous first time with provider, that is why I book seconds and thirds. I am never nervous on second meeting.

Appreciate your suggestions. Thanks again.

Great comment, thank you.

I want it all . . . could you imagine if the 20 year old was authentic, had the spinner going and combined that with the 30year old that was so sensual? Mix in some wonderful hip movement and OMG. Combine all of that with BBJCIM like they carve it and . . .

Any ladies like that and my wallet is theirs.

BTW....the best sex I ever had with one of the Civies, she was 48.

Thanks for posting a reply.

Where can I find such a Goddess? I know....right here

Some girls are just not that great at sex, and others are rockstars.  I had one girl that I found on Craigslist through an ad I put up about finding a private bodyrub girl.  She was totally normal, moved here a few months ago to attend NYU from the midwest, and seemingly very fresh and new.  She had never done the P4P thing before, and yet she was one of the best oral providers I've ever had.

And then there are highly-rated providers that just downright stink at sex.

No rhyme, no reason.

Thanks for your insights. Roll of the Dice.

I have been with women that had no clue about how to have sex.  The younger they have been the worse they have been.  I guess the young ones are used to fucking boys that hop on and are done in 7 minutes, while they think about other things.  But they don't seem to get eroticism, foreplay, and staying in tune with their partners motions.  

I had one 20 something that I saw a few times that would say "Ok, we can go to the bedroom now", waltz in, strip naked, and lay down.  I guess I am supposed to get a boner just from looking at her.  Her idea of participatory sex was that she participated in taking my money, leaving me alone in the desert to fumble around trying to get off on her unresponsive body.  She bailed out the bad intercourse with a great BJ which is why I went back, but after a couple of sessions like that, I had had enough.

The last time I saw her I asked her what I could do to arouse her and she gave me this blank "What planet are you from" look.  I decided at that moment it was a lost cause.

My gf didn't let me suck her toes. Mainly because she was still shy about the sexual experience. And did not get to go for the DATY as she was having her "moment."

Seems like providers are always available for everything that is on the menu. For SOs it is more like depending on the situation.

Posted By: BourbonScotch

I understand that there are several facets that work together in creating a great sexual experience with both professionals and civies.

I assumed that a provider with a great attitude would be more proficient with their technique whether oral or intercourse, especially their movement and skill during intercourse, than a civie.

Deliberate practice makes perfect right . . .?

As I reflect over the providers I have been with (higher end escorts with top reviews) I do find some that are incredible (two) and most have been average to above average. Yet the absolute best has been two civies.

I'm curious what some of the guys on here have experienced. I am not meaning any disrespect towards any of the providers, I am thinking I need to do my research in a different way.

I am looking specifically for someone that knows how to move their hip rhythem in addition to thrusting, and reposition their body while thrusting for maximum stimulation., while varying speed and depth. Rather than just doing the stroke and poke.

Now with that said...let me close by saying, I need to practice what I am preaching, and I know I have a lot to learn, and need to improve my magic stick technique. I am probably a lousy lay

I think the ladies 30+ if they haven't been burned out perform best IMO.

Thanks for posting. The heck of it is . . . there are fantastic providers too, but when we land one like you just described it is frustrating. How did we ever live without TER?

I have a feeling the ladies that have responded to this post are probably the fantatstic providers. I hope to find out

and I have known a couple providers that were excellent. But let me tell you this past year I have met a provider who is beyond anything I have ever experienced or could have imagined. She is beautiful, intelligent, completely uninhibited and on top of that she is one of the most together people I know. I have experienced with her burning passion, out of this world intensity and yes incredible intamcy. She eclipses any woman I have ever known both professionally or in my personal life. She is a force of nature and I will continue to see her for as long as she will have me.

I know she sounds to good to be true but believe me she is oh so real. To me she is really the best of both worlds.  Oh and I do strive to improve my own performance every time I see her.

from here to there for me. The reason I became a hooker was because every guy in the real world asked if I was one the first time I blew them, which ok...was by the second date. I knew I would end up being a hooker or a stripper eventually bwahahha.

That could be it, as when I was younger, I rarely dated anyone the same age as myself.. the 2-3 times I did, the sex sucked. I always dated guys 6-10 years older than myself(my ex-husband was 8 years older than me). I've found that the older the man, the more technique he has picked up over time, as well as getting to know more about a woman's body... versus the young ones(under 25) who think that 10-15 strokes & no foreplay, should somehow be satisfying to both of us?? I'd guess that if the younger ladies are use to this type of sex in their civvie life, than that may be what they are use to & think what's expected possibly?

that will carry over or have been that way long before the girl got here ha ha. All my friends were sluts, but it's a southern thing I guess. We are taught from birth that a good meal and a good blow job are what keeps a man lol. Of course if you're BSC, that only goes so far and I was married twice HAAAAAAAAA!

love the way this girl talks....

Honestly, I'm not the type of girl who can do this for the money. If I can't enjoy it, I can't do it. I need the eye contact, the touching, the passion, and the conversation. So, I do exactly what I would do with a civvie guy. As long as I can find at least one good thing about him, be it something from his personality or his looks, I can get that connection going, and make sure we both have a great time. I'm not a very good actress, it needs to be real for me, so I make sure it is.

Oh my! You just officially went on my wishllist and I don't even know anything about you!

But good hip movements are icing on the cake.

It's not discussed too much, but if you gals would do a little hip wiggle, we'd really roll our eyes to the back of our skulls more often.

I thought she was going to take my cock off, but I loved every second of it.

As it turned out, I noticed a large black and blue mark at the base of my cock the next day and it scared the crap out of me, so I went to the ER and showed it to the doctor.

He said don't worry, it's just a hemotoba (broken blood vessels), and it would go away in a week or so - he was right as rain.

That said, I went looking for the same gal to repeat, but her ad disappeared, and that was that.

She was a 90 lb spinner of course, and as crazy as they come.  I just love 'em.

And I am guessing that this is the age range you prefer to see, maybe that they are not "intune" with men older than their Dad.  And the deer in the headlights look was possibly from shock that she could get turned on with someone older than her Dad. This cannot be a surprise to you older than Dad guys...really, think about it for a minute.

Do you really think your age group and type are what these young girls are attracted to in real life?  And they may not have figured out that acting is an acceptable attempt to  convince the guy she really wants to be there. Some get it and some are even into it, but to be surprised is a stretch.

In conclusion, there are some 20 something ladies that do a very good job with their older clients, and possibly really enjoy them sexually. I could guess that the majority might not be, hence your post. I get that this type of reaction is more common than not in your experience.

I hope it gets better for you.

I have several. I don't move the same way for each position or with each guy. Not all bodies form together comfortably, so you have to find a different beat with each person you see. It's not as easy as having the same person that you are adjusted to their body, so a lot of trial and error comes with providing. A 300 lb. man and a woman who is 110, can take some doing. Most of the time it is only CG or RCG that his thing will even go in her because of his belly. Well endowed guys are all out impossible, so I avoid them.

Just what I am seeking. Thank you for posting. If I find a lady like that I will let you know

The hip wiggle I am talking about is something that comes natural in a responsive way, like an intimate dance....mixed in with some "hip hop" dancing. Gyration as Mr. Fisher says.

Thanks London for your posts....you are great!

then why are they providers and why do they SEE men "older than their dads"? That IS their clientèle.

they are supposed to like sex right?

with a hobbyist or with a BF.  I make it a goal to have each of my "friends" fall a little bit in love with me, for at least the time we're spending together. And I fall a little bit, too, so, why would it be any different?

That is not always true I am 21 and have been told I am mentally in my 30's. Just saying don't let that young provider ruin it for the other young bucks

But most providers are not interested in us period, age is just one more thing over which they can not be interested. They are just there for the money.    TER should have a convenience button where you can just click that statement in to posts, it gets stated so often.

I have had good experiences with 20 somethings though, so I am not making a blanket statement.   But the provider I mentioned would be bad with any age group, unless you had a fetish for having sex with immobile, bored, and ambivalent women.

when you are 31, you'll see that very clearly.

i really think the gals like you or oh charlie have a gift. it must be naturally easier for you to do it than other providers. it might be learned or something you concentrate on achieving but it comes across so real. i say that because I have seen such a lady before. to tell you the truth, you gals are the ones who should charge more, not the PSE types.