That’s why YMMV applies. I can’t tell you how many ladies and I have DFK when previous reviewers stated LFK or no kissing! Same goes with BBBJ nd CBJ! A lot of times when there is great chemistry, better thing happen better than expected! Of course being on time, freshly showered, well dressed, and considerate go a long way!
I suppose that this is a question for the providers here: What percentage of your clients, would you estimate, post reviews?
I don't have an agenda. Just mostly curious. I was perusing one providers reviews and in a one month period she had an impressive number of reviews. It made me think that the number might be much higher than I would have guessed.
btw - I did search the boards for this one, but was not quite sure what terms to use. I don't recall this question coming up. But, in case it has, my apologies for the repeat.
It's impossible to get any reliable data for so few women will tell us and we would need a large number of women to truthfully tell us and we just will never get those needed data points.
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Guesses have ranged in the area of 10:1 to 20:1 but it depends if the girl lives in a TER hotbed or not, if she asks guys to write or not write her a review, etc etc etc. Too many unknowns.
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My question is why do you want to know? Is it just curiosity or do you have another concern?
I think it was much higher 8 to 10 years ago but I would say today less than 5%?
one out of twenty sessions get reviewed these days. Several years ago, the conventional wisdom was that it was closer to one in ten, but FOSTA/SESTA put a damper on reviewing for a while and the average provider gets less than in the past. The exception is in the Kgirl market. You have a higher percentage of girls getting reviewed, mainly because the customer age demographic is generally lower than for indie providers. However, there are outliers who see Kgirls who are NOT that young. I can think of a few names off the top of my head. Lol
If its an independent girl, a large number of reviews in a single month is a sure sign of review manipulation. Especially if they are new, or have had low frequency before. Try reporting it and maybe TER will do something about it. Results have been mixed. Also look for the same reviewers always reviewing the same 3-4 girls within a 2-3 month period. I've also tried to report these but again its been mixed on whether TER does anything about it, some of the girls and/or reviewers get banned but sometimes nothing happens.
If its an agency girl, large number in single month is not unusual since girls can see 10 people in a single day.
Good post. Some other review manipulations to look out for:
Inorganic spikes: I see this in kgirl world all the time. A girl who's established and has some reviews is kinda idle. She's still working but she's getting like one review a month if at that.
All of a sudden - without any "qualifying events" such as moving, coming back from vacation, getting body upgrades or menu upgrades, she gets like eight reviews in a single week from accounts that rarely review.
This is an inorganic spike - it's too concentrated and doesn't make sense. Usually attributed to the girl (or agency) either buying reviews or trying to jumpstart the hype and conjure more business. And you can find a thread from me in kgirl forum about a prolific review seller with many accounts (many are banned to be fair).
Another is new accounts or one review accounts. This is quite straightforward and most people get it. So the bad actors try things that make it less suspicious - instead of only having one review they will go and review some dormant provider with a generically good fake review to look credible and not a one-girl review account.
As a side note, thank you sir for reporting review manipulation. It is much appreciated in this community where a lot of people turn a blind eye to it or outright think it's natural.
Review manipulation is a bit wild to me. I suppose it makes sense that it happens though.
Fake reviews are what bother me the most. Some of the things that people mention can really be harmful to the girl and set unreasonable expectations. I can't really understand why folks do it, especially if unprompted. Are the free VIP days really worth the trouble?
Incidentally, there's even a girl in the top 10 in my city who I'm skeptical is even real. Top 10, somewhat shitty website, not on P411, and most reviewers have only 1 or 2 reviews.
Strange world...
It happens a lot and because many people on her treat it like a minor nuisance instead of big problem that leaves many folks unhappy, it thrives.
Just a month ago there was a site where a guy was exposed who allegedly charged 200 for 3 reviews from some kgirls.
Review farms are a thing, and I suspect with the invent of llms and Ai, they will keep on thriving.
And the main cause of this, of course, is the willingness of seller to mislead their own customers and be perceived better than they actually are.
But I'll stop here or I'll again be accused of repeating myself.
Even though you for example seems like you didn't know of review manipulations and this is good info for you.
That’s why YMMV applies. I can’t tell you how many ladies and I have DFK when previous reviewers stated LFK or no kissing! Same goes with BBBJ nd CBJ! A lot of times when there is great chemistry, better thing happen better than expected! Of course being on time, freshly showered, well dressed, and considerate go a long way!
An Indy getting a large number of reviews in a single month isnt a "sure sign of review manipulation." I have seen it happen numerous times with legit girls for multiple reason. Now does it initially make me more cautious and a need to dig in deeper if she was my type, I could afford her, etc? Yes that would be fair to say.
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The latter part of your first para is more valid, imo.
Many legit girls are obsessed with their review scores.
Care to enumerate these multiple reasons ?
I have seen both. I agree, it's a red flag and a reason to give pause. But I have seen legit ladies get a higher percentage of reviews. A few of reasons come to mind. One, if she is already well reviewed and she travels, she may attract more people on TER while touring. I have seen this with touring ladies. I have seen it happen if she moves to a new city too. If she is table and at home, it's somewhat less likely. We tend to take our time more when we think we can see her anytime.
Another occasion I have seen happen a few times is when a well reviewed lady who was on a break comes back. This is a nother situation we may jump quicker on since we cannot help but wonder if she will be gone again soon.
The last situation that pops in my head, is she asks her clients to review her. This could be a lady who is legitimately great. She has no reason to manipulate reviews if she is great without having to do so. Simply asking, can increase the numbers.
...new, hot girls who come on board and start at a below market rate with old school verification requirements. Those women tend to get tons of early reviews. Some women will also greatly expand their marketing/advertising to reach more gents that she wasn't doing previously. Yep, many reasons.
Most of these have qualifying events.
But nonetheless..thanks for the answer.
Touring is understood. Like I said, that would be a "qualifying event". Touring, rebrand, upgrade, price change, etc all make sense. Agreed.
"when a well reviewed lady who was on a break comes back."
The same
", is she asks her clients to review her. This could be a lady who is legitimately great."
How pussy whipped are clients who review on demand? I mean I get it that it happens but like... why do people want to make reviews a token of exchange? Sigh.
If a lady shows you a great time, why does it come to being whipped to write a review if she asks? Idc the reason behind why someone writes a review as long as it’s honest.
Rocket overplayed his hand with that one.
Because - as I've said before - I personally don't believe in reviews being a currency exchange or token of gratitude on some "you scratch my back I scratch yours" shit. It creates and snowballs a gang of problems.
Disclaimer :Jensen stop reading here or else you might think I'm repeating myself blah blah. I'm answering a question, mkay?
Reviews are for customers by customers. This is an indisputable fact. The moment you start writing them for sellers and not other customers, you start catering to help the seller and not help other mongers evaluate with a full list of pros and cons. I'm writing a review to help other customer get what they want, not for provider to get business they might want.
If you otherwise wouldn't write a review - but do so at request of the seller - what does that imply in terms of how much you care about giving info to other mongers vs how much you care for the provider? What does that imply about being whipped? OK you don't like whipped let's call it a bat signal or whatever.
Hence no review imo should be written to help (or hurt) someone. It is the wrong approach. You do that and you end up writing reviews to help someone's business and not to inform others. Which inevitably ends up with your glossing over cons. You might be inclined to use softer language than you otherwise would. And so forth. It influences your review writing.
Now let's get back to my point. If a provider has a sudden spike in reviews this means she controlled people not writing reviews and at her (or his) whim people now write reviews.
It doesn't make sense and it's ass backwards and it creates bad situations that are not good for average unbiased mongers who read the reviews.
I personally have never written a review to help anyone besides fellow consumer. I also personally wouldn't read any review if I were to know if it was done at a providers request because the biases tend to be too strong.
Think about it this way. I'm writing a scouting report on players in sports. I watch tape, film, look at their measurables - in fact it's very close to reviewing a provider.
What are they good at. What skillset they have and can they train it to be better. What are they bad at. How are their measurables. What's their character like (attitude), how is their work ethic. I write the report and pass it to the rest of my team (team rocket) and we evaluate whether this player is worth drafting. And at what draft slot.
It's pretty different than when a player invites me to see him play, then comes up to me or emails me and says hey write a report on me, you liked what you saw right?
People generally would be less biased in the former situation than the latter.
To sum it up, writing a review "on demand" is you doing what the provider wants, not what you want and definitely not what an unbiased private review for your homies would be.
And if you think what you want is whatever she wants, well... we get back to pussy whipped. My man Bill Belichick is about to fall victim to that.
TL;DR: unsolicited and solicited reviews are different.
PS: I don't think anything makes me want to NOT write a review more than some business asking me to write one.
I will write an evaluation at the time I want, not the time you need. It's not meant to help your business. It's for homies, not for you.
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You’re overthinking this my dude. You have a good time. She asks, not demands, for a review. You can say no. Or, you can say yes. Or, are you so fragile that you relent just because she asked? Or, you don’t, but this is what you think of other men? You had a great time, so why not? And, honestly, if you’re a TER guy already, you probably were writing a review anyway. She changed nothing. And for the rest? Fair chance many of them didn’t even know what TER was. Maybe they also would have if they did. By the virtue of asking, she may also introduce them to TER. And, they now may write reviews of future experiences. This is good for the community. We want more, not less, reviews. And, like I said, who cares if they were asked if they keep it honest.
We were talking about reasons for a spike in reviews.
One of the reasons was "because the provider asked to write a review".
Now you say "And, honestly, if you’re a TER guy already, you probably were writing a review anyway. She changed nothing"
If she changed nothing and you were writing a review anyway, then where does this spike in reviews come from?
If there's a spike due to her asking ppl to write reviews, this means people who otherwise wouldnt write a review would now write one.
You are missing the point of my post that reviews shouldn't be given as a "reward" for a good session. Reviews aren't something to be passed or given as a favor. They are evaluations for others to be informed for list of cons and pros.
Using them as reward or leverage is wrong imo.
Dude, seriously? It’s math. I didn’t say every review was from guys writing them anyway. I said some if she asks were and some may not even have known about TER. It’s math. They add up. Do you not believe that it’s possible a spike is inclusive of reviews that may have happened anyway and ones that may not have?
And you’re not making a good point to get. You brought reward into this just like you brought demand into this. It’s not a reward. For one second, are you capable of understanding and not just arguing? Like you keep doing this with multiple conversations. I applaud you for not being an asshole like CDL. But you’re rather difficult to relate to when you show an inability to understand people.
I deal with businesses all of the time that ask for reviews on platforms like Yelp, Google, Amazon, Grubhub and so on. I’m not bothered that they ask. I decide if I want to do it. Not them and not because they asked. And, if I do, I am honest. I have said yes and wrote a bad review. I have written good ones and in middle ones. No one should care that I was asked. Being asked doesn’t change what I actually write. It doesn’t pressure me if I don’t want to write one either. When I do, I keep it real. But you seem to care that I was asked and see that as disingenuous. My goodness.
I think we really are getting to the heart of your troubles here. No one "demanded" anything. If the bank clerk asks you if you would like your balance when making a deposit, is he/she DEMANDING you get that info? If a waitress at a diner asks you if you want a glass of water, is she demanding you take it? Of course not. You do have an odd way of distorting what people say, and then try and make it into a real thing, when it is not.
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I see no problem at all if a girl requests an honest review. Now, if she threatens him in some way if he says no, then you would have a leg to stand on. But it seems like you are being overly argumentative for arguments sake. A simple request is NOT a demand. I have no idea how you conflated the two. This is where your overly protective, warrior consumer protectionist obsession causes many people to shake their heads at your posts.
According to Rocket, aka Don Quiworty, it is bad if a provider asks not to be reviewed. However, it is also bad if a provider asks to be reviewed. What the hell are these providers supposed to do in order to make Rocket happy? Rocket is looking for Schrödinger's provider, a provider that both wants and does not want reviews. Sometimes clients will ask a provider if they can review her. I wonder what Rocket thinks of that?
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This is going to sound crazy Rocket, but stick with me. Not everything in life is a zero sum game. Sometimes you can take actions that benefit multiple people with no downside. This is one of those situations that is win-win, or should I say win-win-win. Its pretty obvious for most people. Lets say I book a provider and she knocks my socks off. She can tell she rocked my world so she asks if I would write a review. I win because my review can help get me a few months of free VIP. The provider wins because someone vouched for her which should raise her profile. The customers win because there is another reviewed provider out there. I'm just so confused because isn't this what we want, providers that want to be reviewed? Who is losing? You always invent contrived scenarios in your head in order to make weird points.
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I know this is going to sound even crazier so hear me out. Some of us actually enjoy the company of the women we pay for their time. We enjoy their personalities. Dare I say, some of us actually like the providers we see. They are fun, interesting and good at sex.
"What the hell are these providers supposed to do in order to make Rocket happy?"
Do their job and not worry about reviews.
Its very simple actually. Think of reviews is a mongers personal business, except in a public domain. There's nothing schrodinger cat about it. There is no undefined state.
"She can tell she rocked my world so she asks if I would write a review. I win because my review can help get me a few months of free VIP. The provider wins because someone vouched for her which should raise her profile. The customers win because there is another reviewed provider out there. I'm just so confused because isn't this what we want, providers that want to be reviewed? Who is losing?"
By promising someone to do a review, you are more likely to gloss over cons. I already stated it. You should read my posts more thoroughly. And moreover writing a review with cons when provider thought you'd write a great review could result in her being pissed.
I had a session where a provider rocked my socks off. I'm a service over looks guy so I had tons of fun and will repeat. However her loos are like a 5 at best. The provider asks me you liked this right do me a review.
So I go and write an honest review and give her a 4.5 in looks, because I'm an honest man and want to evaluate her for others, not give her a reward for the session.
The reward for the session is money I paid. Because it's a biz transaction.
And now she's upset. You see the issue here? Remember my relative who askes me to review his biz and I didn't give him a good review and he got pissed? Yeah it's the same concept.
Seller assumes the review will be like a reward or something. My relative simply assumed because he and me share blood I would write a positive review of the biz. But I didn't and it pissed him off. It pissed him off because I did an actual evaluation of the business rather than just a positive review as a reward to help his reputation.
Does this make sense?
And I like my relative as a person. We're on good terms, we have fun together and all that. His business on the the hand was not that great.
Yet iirc you called me an asshole for truthfully evaluating his business. Why? Because you think blood is above caring about other consumers? It never is.
"Some of us actually enjoy the company of the women we pay for their time. We enjoy their personalities. Dare I say, some of us actually like the providers we see. They are fun, interesting and good at sex."
I like providers I see too. Some I'm very thankful for. Some gave me otc they didn't have to. And I'm grateful for that.
That does not mean when I evaluate them for others on reviews I should gloss over cons or behave at their whim.
Once again, writing a review to "help" a business devalues the review. You stat glossing over cons and overemphasizing pros.
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You can get into the heads of people and then determine motivation? That's an amazing ability. Your boss must pay you millions. But why do you always veer off to the negative on this topic? There is no victim here. As 420 stated perfectly, all three parties are satisfied. Or "win/win/win" as he put it. The girls gets a review, the guy gets his 15 days VIP and the community has another data point to judge whether she is worthy of seeing. I, nor anyone else here, sees any issue at all and yet you keep making Mount Everest out of a microscopic mole hill.
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Many good business people will ask for reviews, but since you admitted that you aren't involved in the running of a business, you wouldn't know this. You keep speaking of issues in which you have ZILCH for experience. You are welcome to spout this nonsense of course, and we reserve the right to criticize you for it.
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What gets me though is that you have such low regard for clients...the very same group you are advocating for. That makes zero sense. When asked, they can politely say no. Or they can say yes, in the moment, and not follow through with their review upon further reflection. Then, lastly, they can grant her request if they so wish. They are adults and you are treating them like children. You are the overprotective mother whose 45 year old son is taking her out to lunch and she is constantly telling him to slow down the entire drive. Have more faith in your fellow clients and stop being a pita.
One more time, we were discussing spikes in reviews.
One reason was given as "provider asked for a review".
Hence the assumption is it's reviews that were written only because the provider asked for them and wouldn't be written otherwise.
And yes, because a provider asked for them there is more incentive and pressure to write a good review, not a mixed bag review.
You don't have to be a psychic to see that. You can just observe how people write reviews how their evaluations in private differ from their evaluations in public (which affect people who rely only on public reviews in a negative way)
Its not a win win win. It's a win win lose, with the biggest loser being the biggest demographic - random average Joe monger who doesn't network and just looks at reviews.
Did I say only bad businesses ask for reviews? No I haven't.
Many businesses constantly ask and push me to write reviews.
(and not just reviews, the whole "subscribe and like" shit) It's annoying. It's pushy. It's inorganic. And when I do write a review, they are upset because they think I start "nitpicking".
So they are not really asking for "a" review, they are asking for a positive review that will prop their rep up. That's all they care about. Money and reputation.
I've seen the same businesses that ask for a review then get butthurt about someone with a million subscribers actually doing a review that is unfavorable and copyright strike those videos.
They don't want "a" review. They don't want an honest evaluation. They want to increase their "rep" and hence a positive review.
How about this - why don't people who are asked by providers or businesses to do a review, mention that in a review? "I wouldn't do this review but a provider asked me to". And yet I've almost never seen this said in a review. Why not?
Why don't we ever see a disclaimer of "I am a relative/friend/employee of a seller" in any customer review?
Because having that info will devalue the review in eyes if an average consumer, just like it should.
There is a very clear distinction here between a reward review and an organic review but you won't acknowledge that. Just like you won't acknowledge that reviews are by customers for customers and businesses appropriation of them and attempt to manipulate them goes against everything that a review stands for.
It's a lot of nerve for someone who thinks public criticism of providers is not a "gentleman" thing to do, to say this.
Are the providers not adults? You protecting them and their rep because they are female.....I mean lol. This is about anti-consumer and preferential as it can get...
You were pretty different pre fosta/sesta. You created this respectful character out of thin air.
I try to protect mongers because there are people like you who only care about yourself and providers business. I try to protect mongers because in an ideal world, any monger without any networking should go on a public review site and find as much truthful info as there exists - both negative and positive - and all that info would be organic.
Not bought by the seller, not encouraged by the seller not manipulated or curated by the seller, not twisted by a monger who doesn't want the seller to lose their biz. None of that. It would be direct info pumped from an experience to public domain. Including harsh wording, and "what they really think behind close doors" not what they want public to think.
Now yes, this ideal world will never happen. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight to strive for that.
And to conclude that I will quote dialogue from Buffy the vampire slayer:
A: I do know it's important to keep fighting
B: but we never...
A: we never win
B: not completely
A: we never will. That's not why we fight. We do it cuz theres things worth fighting for.
But you being you, you’ll keep up this idiotic Team Rocket Quixote act because that’s all you know.
Nope, you are incorrect.
People don't write in reviews that they were asked to do so by a business, because they understand it would appear like they are helping them.
The same goes for "friends and family" reviews.if they are to write they are related to the seller/business, the people reading reviews would realize they're biased.
In addition, he is so obsessed how others handle their business. Grown men are certainly capable of making decisions for themselves, but he looks down on them like they are stupid, uneducated children that are in need of his brilliant lecturing.
That should be obvious as they are human you know. Money, for one. She wants people to like her, for another. Cares about her service as a third. This isnt "rocket" science. lol
Bro what?
No, not obsession with scores.
"I have seen it happen numerous times with legit girls for multiple reason."
So I asked what are those reasons?
Quoting you...."Many legit girls are obsessed with their review scores. Care to enumerate these multiple reasons ?"
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You asked about scores. I thought it was an odd ask but that is what you said. No issues as HeHits and I answered the question you were meaning to ask. All good.
In my world, less than 5%.
Currently, I'm not one to ask my Clients to "review" me, as do some
Providers whom sometimes offer the Client a financial incentive to
compose said reviews.
Prior to "Sesta/Fosta", I had over 100+ reviews amidst several platforms,
9 of which folded their business altogether; hence forever lost.
More recently, I was on a lesser-known Site whereupon I seemed to
acquire more Client appointments, whom consequently penned
unsolicited reviews.
Yet again, lost attestations, as suddenly the Site goes dark, no forewarning!
When I first began Providing, requesting a gentleman to compose a review
was sometimes like pulling one's hair out.
Understandably so, as I soon came to discover their reasoning;
Numerous Clients would say "I don't write reviews", a few others would say
"Yes, I shall", and graciously do so eventually.
A few gentlemen explained the time-consuming rigor which particular Sites
request a review-submission, was likened to signing loan documents for a
home purchase!
Those whom don't write them are often generous-tippers instead, and it's so
very much appreciated!
I know one thing, I'm grateful for Clients whether they review or not!
Xo Angelina Jones
what percentage of sessions are reviewed to rants about manipulation and fake reviews based off a claim that some increase in reviews is a sufficient reason to conclude manipulation. Confirmation bias much?
I don't see any rants. I see civil discussion.
But at least I'm not accused of starting rants, for once. Yet. Lol.
Robert nailed it with 'In addition to your sound reasons'.
The period of high reviews for the provider in question was when she first joined a well established agency. And, I suppose the fact that she was young, hot (according to the reviews) and orally enthusiastic (again, according to the reviews), could be a contributing factor as well.
And, as I said, just curious. I would have guessed 10%.
This was the only time I've stormed out of an engagement. She pulled the old Las Vegas "show" price thing, where, unbeknownst to the client, the initial payment is only to get through the door and everything else is a la carte.
She had no prior reviews, so I was taking one for the team.
I documented this disaster thoroughly in my review, as did subsequent clients, of which there were probably 6. Out of the blue, she got a 10/9 review, where the reviewer could not have delivered more accolades.
I complained to TER support, stating my belief that it was a false review. They responded that providers don't respond to every client in the same manner. Of course this is generally true, but I didn't think so in this case.
So much for taking one for the team!
On the LA board.
There was this guy who was into stats. He went by Mathbar or something like that. He did some digging up and came to some conclusion that the rate was something in the range of 1 out of every 17-19 submitted reviews.
The guy loved his stats. Used to do some weekly updates
Probably got off more on his stats then this “hobby “🤣
Many people do not want to share. TER has guidelines that are strict if you don’t add enough juicy details they will not submit your review it’s ridiculous. Those that are willing and able get rejected for not being specific. I have had friends try and give up. I just looked at my whitelists this year & not all of those gents wrote reviews for me. My personal opinion is less than 10% of people I see write TER reviews.