Ok guys, time for another one of my serious hobby topics.

How do you guys feel about pros in sheep's clothing: Pros using dating, hook-up sites, or chatrooms to find men who will P4P....but not disclosing that they are pros. Do you consider this deceptive? Or would this still be classified as UTR?

All of this came about in my other thread where I started crying about Yahoo closing the chatrooms. I know a lot of people thought that they were completely taken over by bots but there were still plenty of married and single guys there looking for ass. Most looking for free ass...some ok with helping a young lady with a few bills.  I used that site for years and when they shut down I asked (and was not expecting an answer) on where could I find local married men. 2 members suggested I use AshleyMaddison.

Well....in 2 weeks I met 2 guys who "helped" me with some Xmas shopping.

From some PMs I received and from what was said in chat.....some guys consider this deceptive.
They said the purpose of finding a girl UTR or on a non-hobby site is to find one who is 1. not a pro, 2. not all about the money, and 3. really into them. There is a 4th one but I don't want to talk about that one just yet......well, not openly.

Do you consider what I do on none hobby sites deceptive? I guess I'm "fake" because I'm a pro and those married guys are looking for women who are "really" into them.

Of course I'm all about the money but I'm not a bitch about it.
I'm still nice, offer good company, and good head. They are not missing out on anything. I'm not deceiving them. I'm straight up about the fact that I'm not about to put in time with a married man for nothing.

I'm going to be honest and say that on Yahoo I did select my prey based on looks. So technically I really am into them physically. And I can't be around a dummy so I do pick out the smart guys. With seeking out guys on non-hobby sites, they tend to want to spend more time with you. I can't spend time with a guy I don't like and I can't charge by the hour. If a guy pays my rent I'm kicking it with him the whole weekend. I like to consider them REAL friends with benefits.

the guys who are looking for relationship and to get married, will consider these things to be deceptive. I can't talk for all the men under the sun, but personally, I will be able to tell the difference between a hooker looking for money dressed as a civvie, and a girl who is really looking to settle down herself.

If a grown man can't tell the difference, too bad...He just needs to grow up.

I don't know if that answers your question or not.. You are rambling way too much in your post.

I think you have blurred the lines between pro, UTR, FWB and Sugarbaby.

I agree with Curly about the dating sites. If you go on a dating site expecting money, you are being deceptive.  If you go on Ash Mad looking for money it's only slightly less so.  Ash Mad touts itself as the place to go to find an affair. Affairs are not paid for in cash.

You talk about having your rent taken care of for a weekend romp. That's more SB/SD territory.
And none of these activities would fit into my description of UTR. UTR (to me) means no advertising, word of mouth or closed board/PM referrals only, not trawling chat rooms and dating/affair sites.

As far as FWB. You're corrupting the "benefit" aspect of that term.  Or confusing it with "Mutually Beneficial Arrangement" which runs into the SB/SD realm again.
You do not pay a FWB. It's a friend you fuck. Period.

Don't take this as mean or hateful, but I wouldn't know what to call you.

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If I start worrying about everything everyone does, I will not be stressed out won’t be able to sleep.

You don’t really think ranting on this board is going make them do what you want them to do or want them to agree with you.

As long as money is exchanged for sex, I could care less how you classify it, whether it be sugar daddy, escort, non-pro, UTR...whatever.  It's all the same thing.

I don't get involved in classifying one versus the other.  It's bullshit, and those who get obsessed about this are total and utter morons in my book.  There is no hard cutoff for UTR vs. non-UTR.  And there is no cutoff between non-pro and pro.  There are just varying degrees on the continuum, but the continuum is all sex for money.

Why woud you care about whether a girl is a pro or whether she is UTR?  If a girl has fucked one guy for money, she has probably fucked another guy for money.  Whether that number is three or three dozen, I don't care.  I don't own her, and she doesn't own me.  This is a paid transaction with an opening time and a closing time.  I don't see where there should be any other stipulations.

And that goes both ways.  A girl shouldn't give a shit whether a guy does this a lot or whether he does this sparingly.  It's just a transaction.  Keep it that way.

That is a classic haggler con artist statement.  The ones who say that are not inexperienced.  Don't let them fool you.

Deceptive to who? As long as she is not ripping guys off, it makes no difference how she gets paid. I could't give a fuck either way. Many providers who use sd sites also are cheaper the other route because you don't pay by the hour there. They actually negotiate on a rate and time, where here you pay what is stated.

I've looked at the "Female Seeking Male" ads on AM and the pro's are usually obvious.  They will usually include a picture in the main profile, not give a lot of detail, are under 30...  There are signs that a guy would have to be an idiot to miss.  So no, I don't think what you are doing is deceptive.  The guy most likely knows you are pro when he responds.

As a non-pro.  My ad had always clearly stated that I did not want, nor would I ever accept dinner, drinks or gifts.  Only looking for companionship and amazing sex.

How do you approach compensation with someone on a non-hobby site?  I ask because I have been know to post and respond to ads on the "women seeking women" part.  In the past I have steered clear of the ads that are obviously providers, but not sure I will always do that.

Thanks!  

But she ain't messin' with no broke nigger...

Seriously, though, I've found that non-pro-friends who have used non-adult-specific site to advertise can be WAAAYYY more profit-motivated & have less respect for the guys they see than I am.

My take is -- I see no moral difference between a 'closet-pro' leading a guy on for cash and a 'non-pro' leading a guy on.

So it's up to you whether you feel guilty about 'leading guy on' or not... but don't feel guilty for not sayin' you're a pro.

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I won't post my ad word for word but it's pretty obvious I'm looking for P4P.
Most chicks use the code word "generous" and use very explicit sexual tones in the ads.

The minute a man or woman goes into a sexual relationship expecting a financial gain, they just became a pro.  They can call it whatever pretty name they want to make themselves feel better, but it is what it is.    

If it looks like a duck....and walks like a duck... it's a ..............

I see two providers regularly who are UTR.  They are not trolling Yahoo or dating sites looking for dates.  In fact, they don't go looking for dates at all.  They are escorts that have simply stopped advertising for new clients and don't have reviews or websites. That's what Under the Radar means. Any new business they get is word of mouth from trusted regulars and new clients are screened thoroughly.

"non-Pro", aside from being a line of BS, is what girls who don't want to call themselves escorts call themselves. I wouldn't call you a fake-you know exactly what you are doing.  As far as what your customers think, well, how they justify what they do is their problem. If they are seriously naive enough to think that girls show up on Yahoo looking for a free hook-up they are delusional. Not your problem.